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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

Originally posted by sportsmaster19:

All of those reasons are true, there are countless reasons for following a religion, but hardly any of them stem from rational thought and dissecting it through logic or research. That is quantifiable simply by asking a sample group why they are religious. You will receive a lot of answers that convey that they do not know why either, or they will tell you that their entire family is a certain religion. You do not hear of many cases where a person becomes religious through study of religion.

Penn Jillete has been quoted to say “I think that anyone who is thinking about maybe being an atheist, if you read the Bible or the Koran or the Torah, cover to cover, I believe will emerge from that as an atheist. I mean, you can read the God Delusion, Richard Dawkins, you can read God is Not Great by Hitchens. But the Bible itself will turn you atheist faster than anything.”

The Gospel has better evidence than many historical accounts that are believed without question. First of all, almost every critic agrees that Paul lived and wrote many of the epistles. Caesar Tiberius died in 37 A.D. and Tacitus. the earliest reliable source, was written 120 A.D. after his death. We know of Alexander the Great from Plutrarch and Arrian about 480 years after his death. The Gospels themselves were written about 50 to 80 years after Jesus resurrection. From studying the text and knowing the dates the epistles were written, we can tell that although Paul did not write the letters regarding the Gospel until 17 years after the resurrection, he received the message four years after the resurrection but went to Jerusalem on three occasions to investigate its truth on at least three occasions. He checked the facts for abolut 14 years before writing the letters to the Corinthians. So Historically speaking, the historical documents that account for Jesus and the resurrection are historically more reliable than many of the documents we do not question that account for major characters in history.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

Marx and Engels believed history was an evolutionary struggle between economic classes. They agreed with Darwin’s Origin of the Species. If nature, not nurture, is the source of ethics, then there can be no absolute right or wrong because nature is in constant evolutionary change. If the ethereal human soul is nothing more than a myth, humans are simply material beings driven by external stimuli with no inherent dignity or divine right to freedom. With conscience being biological and biology being evolutionary, man cannot be a consistent moral agent because the concept of right and wrong change as man does. The political implication were clear to Marx. Power is the goal of government to advance communism. In the pursuit of power there are no rules for its acquisition and use.

Three of the worst mass murderers in history, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, adapted Marxism to their national situation and the result was a bloodbath. Agreeing with Darwin that man was the souless product of mechanical evolution, no method of “social engineering” was too severe to create the communist utopia.

Hitler borrowed much of his radical views from Darwinism. To Darwin and later Hitler, biological inequality was a scientific fact since evolution could not occur without variations. “Eugenics” named by Darwin’s cousin, revolutionized heredity by supporting anti-social behavior as genetic. Eugenicists believed that the evolutionary process of natural selection produced certain groups with superior moral and intellectual characteristics. Many eugenicists also believed that the process could be helped along. Prominent German eugenicist Ernst Haeckel supported abortion, infanticide, and voluntary and involuntary euthanasia as a means to eliminate those unfit to breed. More moderate eugenicists supported sterilization of the disabled, habitual criminals, and alcoholics. Hitler made eugenics a part of the Nazi program in the 1920’s but it was already well established in Germany. Eventually 50% of German doctors would forcibly sterilize 350,000 people to cleanse the gene pool. The same doctors and the same technology used to commit the atrocities of the holocaust were used in the gruesome work of Euthanasia.

All of this came about due to the devaluation and desensitization of the perpetrators view of human life as trivial compared to the betterment of the gene pool. Today Darwinian evolutionists love to point out that “religion” causes wars; however, their “religion” of secular humanism in its political forms of Communism and Nazism has been responsible for killing more humans than all religious wars of the first 19 centuries combined.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / American Government discussion

I wonder what would happen if we made the congress and senate unprofitable to the members as well as cutting back the salary of the president.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Biblical Literalism

I have not read up on the volume of water required to flood the earth. Where could I find this numeric value as well as the volume of water existing on the planet?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Biblical Literalism

Originally posted by Zzzip50:

Well yeah, it could be built, maybe with more primitive techniques but it would be feasible, if you take a very very long time to build it.

However, the rest of the story becomes simply not feasible at all.

Don’t global warming enthusiasts preach that the melting of the ice caps can cause a world wide flood?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The Americans Who Risked Everything

Originally posted by Kasic:
This is why I fight so hard to maintain our country and it’s original form of government.

Oh, sure. We should go back to slavery and women being second class citizens who are their husband’s property.

Seriously? There was so much wrong with the colonial time period. Yes, at the time, they would have been progressive and I admire that, but to honestly say the last 200+ years have resulted in a worse nation? That’s unrealistic. America, in its founding, was not a nation with freedom for all. It still entirely isn’t, with rampant paranoia and hatred against minorities such as Hispanics and Muslims. We still have a large percent of the populous with homophobic or sexist views, and a large amount of evangelicals who can’t accept basic facts and promote ignorance.

America is better today than it was on its founding, but we’re not some magical super-country that’s so much better than everyone else. We’re just another country in the world at this point, with a far too large military, massive debt, jingoistic citizens and gross arrogance.

Not to mention that our entire nation of “Freedom” was founded on slave labor and taking away the land from its natural inhabitants.

If only they had just went back to England, maybe the world could have been spared.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Evolution

Originally posted by EPR89:
Originally posted by Benu01:

Also what about the point at which mathematical odds become impossible? The point at which the odds are so low that it is the same as if it can not happen that some claim humans’ evolution exceeds?

Mathematical odds that are not zero are not impossible.

Also, who calculated the probability of evolution?
The probability of them knowing all the factors that play into that calculation are probably lower than the result they claim to have reached (see what I did there?).

Mathematical odds that are not zero are not mathematically impossible but what about practically? Something may work in numbers but does that mean that they will work in our universe?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Evolution

Also what about the point at which mathematical odds become impossible? The point at which the odds are so low that it is the same as if it can not happen that some claim humans’ evolution exceeds?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Evolution

But what about complex machines like the flagellum? The motor cannot function unless all parts are present.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Evolution

Wasn’t it Darwin who said that if an organism has a mechanism that requires many parts to be present to function, evolution wouldn’t make sense? Isnt the flagellum a good example? Every part of the mechanism of the flagellum must be present for it to work. Did all the pieces come together by happenstance?
A quote from Darwin says, "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree.”

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The rise of incest

But love is love right? Who should be allowed to stop them if they truly love each other?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Has there been a decline in culture in the past decades?

Apparent American Culture: Someone, somewhere, is doing you wrong right not and it is your duty and responsibility to make them pay you for whatever it is they did to you, and if someone has more than you, they must share their wealth with you, but if someone has less than you, they need to work harder.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The rise of incest

Is it a problem? Is it not just another orientation like pedophilia?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Sex and you.

It is meant to be between a husband and wife. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. I am a Christian.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Does God exists? and why?

It is possible to refute someone without belittling them or antagonizing them. Cursing is not typically a good way to carry on a civilized debate.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Should we tolerate the intolerant?

Originally posted by gluCROWse:

I think that we should make fun of intolerant people.

If they claim to have the “right” to hate people for how they are born, we have the right to hate them for being bigoted assholes.

Discuss

Sounds good to me. Everyone should get over themselves. A lot of people really think a lot of themselves if they think their opinion matters to others. If someone hates you, what does it matter to you? If they hate you, are they really the kind of person you would like to be associated with or crave acceptance from anyway?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The high divorce rate

In my opinion, the high divorce rate is due to a degradation of the character of Americans. The morals and character of our country are disappearing. People are becoming lazier and would rather throw things away instead of fixing them. Much like the 20’s, this is a time of individual morals. People do what they think is right based on their own experiences and thoughts. In our own minds, we can eventually justify almost any action, no matter how horrible we once thought it was.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Slavery is ok in the bible

People are typically more educated now than then. Perhaps then, certain people could not be reasoned with like they might today.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Slavery is ok in the bible

Well, not all slavery in the Bible was one sided. Many slaves were in fact indentured servants who had to pay off a debt.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Slavery is ok in the bible

Originally posted by jim_vierling:

One of my favorite sites: http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

There are also links at the top to their versions of the Koran and the Book of Mormon.

For slavery references I would start in either the Injustice or the Cruelty and violence sections under highlights.

The writer of this website has very poor understanding of the Bible. He uses differing translations and misinterpreting vocabulary in order to “prove” the absurdity of the Bible. He makes assumptions based on unproven science, since no science is proven, only supported or unsupported. He also does not take into account the differences between people, places, and circumstances between now and then. Many annotations are far fetched in their poking and prodding at the Bible and frankly not very intelligently written. I found many grammatical and spelling mistakes.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Your opinions of Abortion

Originally posted by ExemplaryReturns:

I think that abortion is murder.

This gives me the right to control what women do with their body because

The fetus is not their body. It is not made of her cells, only half of it is hers. So using that argument, she can only abort half the fetus.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / SOCIALISM: the pros & cons

Originally posted by ExemplaryReturns:

Socialism is good because its just everyone helping each other out.

Capitalism is all about being greedy and therefor goes against Jesus’s teachings.

Discuss

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” -Winston Churchill

It sounds friendly and nice when you say, “Helping each other out”, but it is does not work in conjunction with human nature. People naturally work harder to benefit themselves rather than someone else. If it does not matter how hard you work, you can only ever be a little bit wealthier than the poorest people in the country, what incentive is there to work harder and make breakthroughs in your field of work? Capitalism maximizes production, quality, and drives price down because if someone else makes it better and cheaper than you, they get business. Capitalism is portrayed as greedy, but that is a skewed, obtuse perspective. Most people are quicker to spend someone else’s money than the money they worked for themselves. And whos to say that someone who is wealthy cannot give to the poor themselves? The government is never the most efficient method in distributing things like this or determining who rightfully deserves it. I believe that the individual would know better who needs and deserves the money. Neither do government officials, some of whom have never had a real job nor completed high school, know better than doctors and scientists what medical procedures are necessary or how to run a hospital for that matter. Just look at public education; I dont want medical care to be like that.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun Issues

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/12/two_injured_in.php
http://www.ksat.com/news/Man-charged-in-shooting-at-San-Antonio-movie-theater/-/478452/17800466/-/format/rsss_2.0/-/vnl74fz/-/index.html

I am not sure if this has been addressed. There was a recent shooting in San Antonio, Texas. The shooter fired upon police and wounded a bystander before an off duty deputy shot him four times. He is expected to recover.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Homosexuality/Bisexuality - Genetic, Choice or Learned?

Well, I’m no troll, but the “gay gene” has no supporting evidence though scientific study, even after mapping the human genome. The recent major studies claiming it to be real were bogus for several reasons whether it be fudged numbers or experiments without controls. It may seem like it isn’t a choice, but it isn’t genetic.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Are you a good person?

You can quote a book without reading it. You can also quote a book without understanding it which seems to be what you are doing. Jesus came to fulfill the law and the prophets; therefore, we are not bound by the mosaic law which includes the 10 commandments. If you want to preach the Gospel, at least understand what the Bible says by studying it closely and not just picking out the really interesting parts. Also, the Bible says that, “All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.”, but nothing about the 10 commandments.