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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun issues updates

Wow Karma, I must say there were sure a lot of scope eyes. I have see some of these videos and I do shake my head at some of the idjits. Do keep in mind guys hat these are from not only America but other countries as well. I especially like the people in India testing the rifles. Those were actual tests of a cartridge that would scare the bejeezus out ofelephant hunters. Sorry but I had a little inside background on those tests. They were trying to see how big of a cartridge they could make and shoot.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun issues updates

Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by jhco50:

Lastly, yes if the 2nd Amendment goes so will all our freedoms. The purpose of this amendment is too protect us from a tyrannous government. Read the letters written by our founding fathers and they make it clear why each of the Bill of Rights were put in the Constitution. Without the means to retake our government there is nothing to stop the rest of the amendments from falling…and they would.

Minor flaw in that reasoning: By that logic, every country without a second amendment would be a tyranny, and they’re not. You still have your right to free expression, you still have your right to vote, and even without a second amendment many can still own firearms. Where’s the slippery slope coming from?

Please educate yourself on why the 2nd Amendment is there, Read the founding fathers letters. Here are the Federalist papers pro and con.

http://www.law.ou.edu/ushistory/federalist/index.shtml

http://www.utulsa.edu/law/classes/rice/constitutional/antifederalist/antifed.htm

 
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It seems to me, karma, you are not really adding to the discussion, but critiquing my posts and trying to insult me. Maybe you should just stand out if you have nothing useful to add.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun issues updates

Originally posted by beauval:

Very nice, but it doesn’t really address the question, does it?

So, do you think that shielding the average American who’s never heard of the BBC from some of the grim realities of what war and weapons can do to the human body is a good thing or a bad thing? Or does it not make a scrap of difference either way?

I don’t think they should shield people from war like they do. It wasn’t that long ago we saw war and it’s effects. But politics being what they are, politicians were afraid we would stop every little skirmish the hired out to do. Some people can take seeing war and some can’t. I don’t think they should just barrage people with one bloody body after another, but they should let people see what war is. Keep in mind though, there is a difference between weapons of war and what the citizens of this country have for self-defense.
We don’t carry fully automatic rifles, or any of those kind of weapons. some may look like military rifles, but inside they are different and it is one shot with every pull of the trigger. Civilian armament isn’t any different than it was 50 years ago, they only look different. a good example is the 30-06 bolt action rifle, it is still carried into the hunting fields. The only difference is not they have plastic stocks. Handguns are basically the same, although some are plastic now. I abhor plastic.

Lastly, yes if the 2nd Amendment goes so will all our freedoms. The purpose of this amendment is too protect us from a tyrannous government. Read the letters written by our founding fathers and they make it clear why each of the Bill of Rights were put in the Constitution. Without the means to retake our government there is nothing to stop the rest of the amendments from falling…and they would.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun issues updates

Beauval, I am a veteran of the Vietnam era. I know what weapons are capable of and I know what death looks like. I stand by my beliefs with experience of what governments do. I also know that people are people and if they think they can, through their own desires change something as important as our Constitution to make them selfishly feel better, they will. This fight over our Constitution isn’t just over firearms, it is over freedom. Some think we have too much freedom and would like to see America become just another tyranny. The people you see in forums like this can only view our country negatively, ignoring the good we have done or do, and only bring up the mistakes we have made. They are the people who have dreams of a utopia that cannot be satisfied. In reality, there is no utopia. There never has been and never will be. With every action there is an opposite reaction. This is just the way it is. Trying to talk to people who can’t see beyond their noses and see the good is almost impossible. In their minds, reality doesn’t exist. There is not a country out there that has a squeaky clean history. All societies, it seems, gravitate to some form of tyranny, even your country. This is accomplished by people who won’t take the responsibility of their own lives.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun issues updates

You are so naive Karma.

 
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And your post was exactly how you answer them all, with smartalec remarks. Of course you refuse to accept any ideas different from yours. and of course I’m going to listen to a bunch of ignorant people who are so nearsighted as to ignore the facts around them. I give you the facts and you want to argue them. Why, because although you think you know all there is to know about everything, you don’t. I never said Americans have the perfect answer, but I do say people need to think of the consequences before the react blindly.

How about the influx of all of these kids on our border? This is one of the things the left is ecstatic about. So you tell me what your take on it is. Mine is watching our welfare system stretched to the breaking point, cities inundated with so many “illegals” they are going broke. They have brought deceases we haven’t had to worry about in decades. Gang members, known gang members, flowing in. Basically our government has opened our borders and it is devastating our country. People are rising up against the influx, but Washington is still bringing them in.

It is not up to the United States to fix all the problems of the world. We have problems at home, but that is our business and it is up to us to fix them. It’s obvious you didn’t get to see the video I linked too as the mods on here are quick to delete any conservative viewpoints. It’s a shame because you would have had information to think about. It is a fact that the Second Amendment exists in our Constitution, but don’t worry, Obama is fixing that as we speak. He is ridding us of that pesky document. If you can’t see this when you look around, I’m afraid it is over.

 

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Topic: Serious Discussion / Should we give children guns to protect them from school violence?

I also vote no.

 

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Originally posted by karmakoolkid:
Originally posted by champion17:

A gun is a tool. Misuse that tool and suffer the consequences.

This is my gun, this is my rifle.
One is for fun, the other is for killing.
I hate when I confuse the two.

It’s always good to have a dream tiny.

 
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Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

It would appear that Mid-America, Salina isn’t as “red neck” compatible w/ the concept of the public’s loving it, as much as jhco thinks, when someone is legally carrying a gun amongst them (for their protection?).

To be fair, in Texas where jhco says he lives, he is referring to mostly OPEN carry.
Like there is a huge ID bolo hanging around their necks indicating they have a license.
Here in Kansas, we need a license to conceal-carry;
but, we can open-carry without any process at all….(just age).

But, c’mon…in a MOVIE THEATER….with a hidden gun?
How idiotic can this guy be?
Sure, it is summer….clothes are at a minimum.
But, the reality of it is that a decent weapon really isn’t all that hard to hide….
if one seriously wants to do so….
instead of being a dick about it.

Here something on this issue I found that greatly mirrors a lot of the discussions we’ve had here on SD. I think both “sides” of the problem are well presented. I think if those voices were to be the ones heard in a serious discussion, we might then be able to come to a workable position on this “not-soon-to-go-away” debate.

If you are going to try to use me for an example, you should really get your facts straight. Texas doesn’t have open carry for one. In all states except a few you need a license to conceal carry. Virginia and Arizona come to mind. In states where open carry is legal, you do not need a license.

Your problem with using me as an example, even when I am not in your delusional argument, is lack of knowledge about what I know and the limited information you know. That is putting your prejudice aside. You and several others on here have a delusional perspective that lacks reality. Sure, you can look up whatever you want on the internet, known for it’s shortcomings, and find something to say what you want it to. It just doesn’t mean it is legit.

Where do you get all of this jh says this or says that and yet be so far off as to be funny. You have never heard me say anything about open carry in Texas because it doesn’t exist, yet. Now considering I have only made a couple of posts in this thread, don’t you think you should stop trying to bash me and my actual knowledge of firearms/laws and maybe try to learn some truths? You are doing the same ignorant chants that all liberals make, with the same lack of knowledge, and the same we hate the constitution attitude.

The reason I very seldom come on here is because I can’t debate with a bunch of people who, lets admit it, have no real knowledge of what they talk about. I understand many are kids and many have been brainwashed, I just tire of the rhetoric. Now if you can drop the pretense of knowing everything about everything, you might have a more varied venue of ideas. Shoot (pun intended) I might even discuss once in awhile……maybe.

Oh, I have no idea who this Salina is and your link is a bit incorrect. In my state they cannot deny a concealed carry person entrance to a business, that pesky law. Oh shotgun barrels are hardened and tempered or they would blow up in your face. The are not case hardened or hardened to a brittle state, hence the annealing process. If you recall they warn not to shoot modern shells in a Damascus barrel for just that reason. A shotgun barrel can be cut with a hacksaw, but keep in mind the pattern is very wide and it will tear an arm up when shooting up. Also, you may not cut it shorter than a certain length or you will break the laws of 1934. I might also add, a sawed off shotgun is not easy to conceal. Even our small pistols and revolvers are not all that easy to conceal. Not to say handguns can’t be concealed, just not all that easily. Bulge here bulge there, you know.

 
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Originally posted by beauval:

But you accept mandatory government ordained training before you are allowed to drive a car, fly a plane or pilot a cargo ship into dock. Why are guns so different?

Yes you are right, except for the automobile is not mandatory training. The difference is, what you mention is a privilege in this country, not protected by the Bill of Rights, while a firearm is protected. Having a drivers license can be a fleeting thing, it is only at the whim of government, but a right takes much more to alleviate. This is especially true when it is actually stated in our founding document. Yes, our 2nd Amendment has been infringed upon by those who would like to see a country of sheep. You see these “I can live your live better than you can” people on this very forum.

The links provided on here are not at all as accurate as others would like to believe and to be honest not really what I would call reputable sources. The posters know this but post these links to muddy up the waters. However, the truth is, our country is in trouble and what I am saying is what I see happening.

 
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Originally posted by beauval:

That’s to do with NATO and nothing at all to do with private citizens running round with guns in their pockets.

Now please explain how mandatory gun training can possibly be a bad idea.

In your country, you have be disarmed. Have you ever asked why? It is because your government doesn’t trust you. It doesn’t trust you to make decisions that might affect you in important ways. You are not considered smart enough to make decisions such as self-defense or be smart enough to shoot a target at a shooting range. This is understandable as you come from a country that is socialist and controls it’s subjects, and this is the culture you have grown up in. You accept that you will be taken care of by your government, even when it fails to do so.

America came from a different background. We left England because we were tired of a government that took most of our earnings as taxation, but didn’t give us a say in how we were ruled. We built America on freedom and independence. We have always been an independent culture, demanding the freedom to pursue our own desires without a suffocating government limiting us. Alas, we have lost a lot of those freedoms in the last few decades, but not our independent thinking. This is what causes so many problems right now. We have a government that wishes to control it’s people like subjects, and the people don’t want it. Sure, we have some who wish to be coddled throughout there lives, to be given a free pass so to speak, but the majority of Americans are of a conservative nature and want to be left alone.

With this said, we also take our personal safety as our responsibility. Not everyone carries a firearm, but enough do that the criminal is at a disadvantage as he doesn’t’ know who is armed and who isn’t. As for training, many of us have grown up with firearms. We hunt, we target shoot, we learn how to defend ourselves. I myself have taught several (a lot) of people how to properly use a firearm. The people I know who believe the way I do also teach shooters. Heck the NRA runs all kinds of programs teaching thousands how to properly use a firearm. In fact, they train thousands of police as well. When we train our soldiers, most already know how to use a firearm as they have been taught most of their lives. For our government to interfere with mandatory training would be like putting the fox in charge of the hen house. It would be like everything else they do, expensive, sub-standard, just another bureaucracy that doesn’t work.

Let me inform you of a few things our government does. Did you know that all of our soldiers coming home from the war are considered terrorists? Did you know they are thrown to the dogs when they get home? PSTD automatically takes their 2nd Amendment rights away, if they have seek treatment. One I find odd is, although they have been taught how to shoot and hunt an enemy, if they want a hunting license they have to take a hunter safety course. This is the government you are asking we Americans to trust to govern our rights. There is a reason the Bill of Rights are there. Without them we would just be subjects.

 
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Originally posted by beauval:

As was pointed out to me in another thread, it’s the American way so it must be right. Now go and write out 100 times “I must not think un-American thoughts”.

Beauval, I never have really argued against what you have said about the different subjects here, but what you do in your country affects you and not me. We are a different culture with different ideals that affect us and not you. I have noticed that since America become a powerful country, your country has relied on us to help keep you as free as you are. Maybe that is why we have been allies for so many years.

 
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You are accurate on my feelings vika, I don’t trust this administration at all, and I am becoming weary of government in general. Watching the different bureaucracies flex muscle, such as we saw in Nevada, almost in Texas, and in Utah. We are quickly losing our country. For instance, our government is buying up millions upon millions of rounds of ammunition. The question to ask is why? I see a government allowing thousands of illegal immigrants into the country, why? In a time when we have extreme unemployment and people losing everything they have worked for, we are bringing in illegals. It doesn’t make sense.

A this point in time, our 2nd Amendment is extremely important as we are headed for a dictatorship on the fast track. No one can deny that now. I honestly think our government is pushing for violence in order to declare marshal law. That would make our president a dictator and the Constitution null and void. What bothers me is it isn’t just our country doing this. However, people in the U.K. are fighting back with their elections and it makes me happy to see that country standing up. Ours has yet to really stand up.

Firearms in the hands of the people don’t scare me, they make me feel safer. I know many who are armed in everyday life. You probably do too and don’t realize it. I have had citizens approach me and tank me for excersizing my rights and many would like me to be in there businesses as it makes them feel safer. It is not the normal citizen you have to worry about. When you see a school or theater shooting ask yourself why it is these places where they occur? It is because the mental nitwit willing to kill knows these are places where firearms are restricted.

I have no issue with citizens receiving training from a professional. You will find the majority do. But to try and legislate this be mandatory would just extend the reach of an already far reaching government, out of control. And yes, it is out of control, with congress being eliminated by a dictator.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Should medical crystal meth be legalized?

Originally posted by Winnabago:
Originally posted by YoucantbutICan:

Absolutely not. Crystal meth isn’t just a drug. It’s fucking evil, like, seriously. Fucking evil. It doesn’t benefit you with weight loss, it destroys you with weight loss. Losing weight with Crystal Meth is suicide. You could literally die from it.

Since when did meth cure cancer and AIDS. Are you high? ..Are you?

Are you saying that crystal meth, by definition, cannot be used responsibly? How do you know that?

Our neighbor used Meth, skinny and here teeth were rotten. She would pimp her kids if you though she could get a fix. But hey, lets make it legal and call it her right.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Quick political question

Originally posted by Kasic:
I can’t see every extremist on either side actually supporting the views of their party as they say they do

“Pro-life” is the extremist view. It only has two stances. That it is a, wrong to abort, and that b, people shouldn’t be allowed to abort. The only minor variations come in when they allow exceptions for rape/incest. Whereas pro-choice covers a large range where one would still fall under it. At least, that’s my understanding of the positions. I’m not sure why anyone would call themselves “pro-life” if they think abortions are valid for other reasons or think that it isn’t wrong, or pro-choice if they think it shouldn’t be allowed.

What are you, pro-ambivalent? There’s not really a middle ground here.

This just can’t be possible.

It actually is. Because people don’t think for themselves. They believe they are part of a group, and follow the opinions of those who also are part of that group. They might have never even HEARD of a topic before, yet as soon as they learn their party’s stance, they’re not going to change their mind. Of course there will be minor variations, but mostly, they all feed off each other like one big mindless organism. Republicans and Democrats and any other party.

Kasic, you are so wrong on so many accounts. People do think for themselves and that is what causes all of the controversy. People don’t agree with your views (as an example) and what do you do? You call them extremists.

Lets take the pro-choice question. Conservatives are against pro-chose for many reasons, but I can give you an example, the UK using the carcases for heating the hospitals instead of respecting the fact they are actually human beings and deserve at least the dignity of a burial. It is this disrespect for human life that galls so many. Liberals talk about a woman’s right and dismiss the fact that a human being was created and has it’s rights taken away.

You evidently come from a socialist country and expect all others to accept what you have been taught as gospel. It doesn’t work that way in every country. You mistake a difference of opinion for not thinking for themselves solely on the fact they disagree with you and your ideals. Has it ever occurred to you that you are the one who has been conditioned to think as you do?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why american soldiers should not be allowed in ukraine?

Flabby, you are too young to remember the cold war era. It was not a pleasant time and people were worried about a nuclear war with the USSR. Eventually the USSR broke up because of a poor economic system that didn’t work well. I believe Putin is trying to rebuild the USSR and if we don’t step in we will be back to the days of constant threats of war.

You needn’t worry though because our president is considered weak and this is why Putin is willing to invade the Ukraine. He knows nothing will be done to stop him.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Apparently the government could wreck SD

I believe this will be my last post in this thread, but i would you guys to look at the following and think about it.

This from one of our founding fathers.

A democracy (Republic) cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship."

And this is how a free country deteriorates. We are now in the dependence stage.

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Spanking: yea or nay. -- Now expanded to include: How humanity uses physical force to ensure desired compliant behavior.

Not really Karma, I spoke my piece and gave my opinion. I’m’ done with this thread.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Apparently the government could wreck SD

Ungeziefer, You are absolutely right that it started with Bush and his Patriot Act. He started the ball rolling and we expected Obama to do away with it but he didn’t, he expanded it. This is exactly what they are using to justify the surveillance now. And yes the term Terrorist has expanded to include all military past and present, those who go to church, conservatives, and those who own firearms. The also include any who speak badly about our government.

Government is always mandating something and mandating GPS hardwired into the computer is just the latest. I read about it about a month ago so it is a new mandate. They like to keep things like this hush so the people don’t get irate.

Although people aren’t being black bagged as you call it, the preparation for this is in the financing bill for the Navy. I forget the name of it, but he signed it into law. I think there was a discussion about it somewhere on here but don’t quote me.

We have already been profiled over and over by websites that can sell the information to businesses. It’s high profit for them. Of course this gathering of unlimited information is legal according to the Patriot Act. But this doesn’t make it Constitutional by any means. It makes me wonder where our Supreme Court is and why they aren’t speaking up for us when presented with cases.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Spanking: yea or nay. -- Now expanded to include: How humanity uses physical force to ensure desired compliant behavior.

You know don, the experiences I have had on this forum this far doesn’t really give me much confidence in anything that is done anymore. Sorry, it is just how I have come to feel about all this.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Apparently the government could wreck SD

We shall see as Obamacare unfolds, if it does. You know, if the debacle of their administration of this program thus far is any indication, I don’t see our healthcare as being any too safe in the hands of these bureaucrats.

 
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Vika, If you find this incorrect please give me a credible source. Not Wikipedia.

H.R. 3200 section 2521, Pg. 1001, paragraph 1. The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that— ‘‘is or has been used in or on a patient; ‘‘and is— ‘‘a class III device; or ‘‘a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.”