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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun CONTROL issues

Thank you Pete, I try my best, LOL.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun CONTROL issues

Why are liberals so darn ignorant of real life? They live in their little make believe world. If only common sense was more common among your ilk. Maybe this might help.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/19/so-what-do-liberals-want-to-do-about-guns/

What important things do liberals think about, things that are so needed to make society better. Maybe important things like these.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/collection/13-things-liberals-want-to-ban/

 
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The idea from the progressive side is no guns, no crime. This belief has been stated outright many times in the past, is the blind assumption criminals will give their guns up if there is a law requiring it.

 
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Maybe if you look at this link, you will get an idea of what the 2nd Amendment means.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/gun01.htm

 
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Last post today, I have to go find a part for my truck.

I don’t accept modifying the Constitution in any way. It is a simple document that sets the basic law of the land.

The liberal agenda is confiscation of all firearms. This is a fact. It is exactly what they mean when they say common sense laws. Obama has tried to ram his gun confiscation agenda down the throats of congress and the people. Congress has refused his attempts so now he plans to do it by fiat. That said, banning of all firearms would leave the people without the ability to protect themselves from an overreaching government. It is not out of the question to accept that the people can use this right to remove our government as it is and start over.

It was suggested by one of our founding fathers that we should do this every twenty years. We have a situation right now that very well could set off an armed rebellion. We are not safe from our government anymore, and may not have been for several decades. For instance, who really killed Kennedy? Why was all of that information locked down from public scrutiny? Why was the death of a Supreme Court Justice handled with such ineptness and why is that information hidden? That didn’t even make the news like it should have.

The police cannot be everywhere at once. I wish people would understand this. When you are in trouble, it is your responsibility to take measures to protect yourself. If you don’t you are making yourself a victim.

I never said I accepted the age limits, they are arbitrary. I never said I liked the sawed-off shotgun laws, I just said I didn’t care or have a need for those kind of firearms. I also have no qualms with fully automatic firearms. If someone wants to own on more power to them. I think one of the misconceptions you have is all gun owners having an arsenal. They don’t. A little known fact is, our government loses more firearms (even full auto) to theft than any other organization.

If you have read the Constitution, why don’t you know what is in it and what it does? Read some of the letters our founding fathers wrote while writing the document. Read some of the history of how it was written and why. You will find it interesting.

 
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The impact would be another encroachment to the Second Amendment and the Bill of Rights. The specific reason for the second amendment is to give us the power to defend us from tyranny, foreign or domestic. That is the main purpose of the amendment.

Each state makes laws concerning firearms ownership. We have states that license firearms owners and states that don’t. Basically, we fill out a form 4474 whenever we buy a firearm, it is a federal record of the purchase and is kept indefinitely by the store that sold the gun. A purchaser also has a federal background check at this time, unless a state ops out. My state does a state background check which is more thorough than a federal check. The federal government is required by law to destroy background checks after a short period of time. I have my doubts of this.

Most, but not all states require a license to conceal carry. There are only a few that don’t. I don’t accept licensing gun owners as it provides a list for government to confiscate all firearms. It was just such a list that Hitler used to disarm the Jews in WW2. Shouldn’t we learn from others mistakes? Our country is not trustworthy enough anymore. It would not be beyond Obama’s ethics to send his thugs out collecting firearms under the threat of death to gun owners if they resist.

There is also an age limit on when a person can purchase a firearm, 18 for shotguns and rifles, 21 for handguns. The age requirement would be fine but as time goes on, like government does, they keep adding to the law where now it is in many areas illegal to teach a kid to shoot and hunt.

Schools, state, and federal buildings are prohibited areas for possession of a firearm. Ah, this one is a good one. It gives criminals a place to kill indiscriminately because they know these places have only unarmed people. You don’t see criminals attacking a police station or a gun store. Too easy to be killed in those places. No, they choose areas where they can easily kill without danger of someone armed ending their attack.

Form 4474 is an ad hock registration. Serial numbers are contained in this form, along with buyer information and gun description. Again this form has changed over the years. It has been around for a long time and has gone from a simple form to a series of really stupid questions. Are you a felon? Of course not, just answer no.

Shotguns with a barrel shorter than 24" are outlawed as sawed-off shotguns. I personally don’t see a need for sawed-off shotguns and most people don’t own them. Reason being, they can tear an arm off, LOL. I don’t have much use for a shotgun as I don’t bird hunt. But if I did, I would pick a shotgun with a bit less recoil than a sawed-off shotgun.

Full automatic firearms have been outlawed since 1934 unless a $200 dollar tax stamp is purchased. I have no problems with people owning fully auto rifles. You will not find a lot of them in circulation because they tend to eat up ammunition really quick. I have seen a few, but not many. They are not all that popular with most gun owners and are worthless for hunting. I have shot them and they are hard to control as the muzzle tends to climb on them. I have never had a use for one.

You have touched on just a few of the laws on the books for firearms, there are thousands more.

Never be willing to give up freedom for any reason. Many of our ancestors have fought and given their all to protect those freedoms. If you see a veteran, thank him for his sacrifice. Expecting government to protect you as an individual is ludicrous. The police will make it to a crime scene after the crime has happened. The laws protect law enforcement from just this scenario. It is common sense that response time isn’t instant so if you have a burglar going to shoot you or your family, it is up to you to protect yourself.

This administration has gutted our military. I am not even sure we could fight a real war at this point in time. I could honestly say, with our weak president and army, Russia could whip our butts. I don’t think our country has been weaker in my lifetime.

No sir, we do not amend our Constitution all the time, and it is a big deal. I can see you have not really read our Constitution as you don’t’ seem to know what is in it or what it does. It says nothing about a women’s right to kill an unborn child, it say nothing about gay marriage, it says nothing about illegal aliens. Those are laws outside of our founding documents. Laws can be changed but changing the Constitution is rare and extremely hard. It cannot be changed with the stroke of a pen by the federal government. It is the states that actually change the Constitution. In fact the feds can only call for a Constitutional Convention at the bequest of two-thirds of the states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_to_propose_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution

I will be honest, I don’t like the Republican party anymore than I like the Democratic party. Republicans are mealy-mouthed politicians who have been pretty much in lockstep with the democrats. They insult their constituents and lie every bit as much as the democrats. If a politician opens his mouth, you can bet he is lying.

Obama and the democratic party are their own worst enemies. What you are seeing is an uprising of the people. If you delve into it you will find that both democrat and republican voters are rebelling. What has been happening to our country for the last decade is unacceptable to the American people. Sure you will have those with socialist or Communist leanings tell you how we should cave in and let them rule, but you are not going to convince the majority of Americans that this is the way to go. Right now the people are pretty angry. This is why you see someone like Donald Trump leading all the candidates. He is not a politician and he says what people want to hear. They are tired of the old liberal lies.

 
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Thank you for the insult. You just lied to me as well. The goal of gun control has always been the elimination of guns entirely/ Terrified? No, angry. Angry that people like you will lie over and over again about what their real agenda is and than insult those who would call them out. Like I said before I have spent years hearing people just like you spouting their propaganda. Over and over again.

 
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Bring the topic up then. I have not studied the Nazi Germany in great detail but I can read and give my opinion.

I have not derailed the topic, it is a topic about gun control, is it not? We are two opposing sides discussing the topic. You are telling me that unless I take what you say as the gospel and change my mind to what you think I should not say anything? In other words you are saying the liberal view is right and I am wrong?

I give you guys the truth and expect to have civil responses with opposing views, not character bashing. I have no problems debating with Pete for instance, as he is actually talking about the topic. Karma only adds enough content to look like he is adding to the conversation so he doesn’t get deleted. His agenda is to silence me so he can brainwash the young minds like yours. Basically karma tries to bash his opponents out of existence because he is not as versed on these subjects as he tries to let on. He doesn’t know how to debate and probably doesn’t know how to hold a normal conversation with someone.

Sounds to me like you don’t like what I say and would rather I be quiet and let your views rule. It doesn’t work that way. You give me your responses and I give you mine. I don’t follow someone because they think they are the voice of reason. Prove you are,

 
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Karma, haven’t you figured out you are not part of this conversation? We are discussing a topic and don’t need your jako bashing. It ads nothing to the conversation. Just go away, you are not wanted here.

 
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Originally posted by petesahooligan:
Is that going to end violence in the whole world, or even America?

Nope. But it may help. That’s the point. Let’s find out. What harm can it do?

Violence has been part of life since man first walked on two legs.

This is a profound statement. I utterly agree. I know that I’m about to go off on a poetic abstract but I think it’s an idea worth reviewing.

Violence permeates everything and is a basis for our definition and meaning of existence. Violence is at the core of our very sense of meaning… of why we live (or not), how we interpret ourselves and those around us, and the ultimate arbiter of moral context. Violence is the center of all things in the human consciousness.

Violence, and our relationship to it, is metaphysically negotiable. To accept violence without question is to accept it as an unfathomable, intangible, and unobtainable binding agent of our existence. All things good and evil are infused with a relationship with violence.

Violence IS unavoidable.

However… that is not to say that humanity doesn’t spend nearly all of its resources preventing it. Preventing violence is as human an endeavor as committing it. It is our grandest source of tension and existential angst.

Why SHOULD we merely accept that because violence exists that we should not engage it, figure it out, and manage it?

So… I may not be a mental giant or whatever but that’s basically my vector on gun control.

You gave no reasons, no proof to your arguments for banning firearms. Yet you would sacrifice one of our rights just in case it might help? That is a very poor excuse for amending the founding document of our country. One of our founding fathers once said, If you sacrifice freedom for a little security, you deserve neither freedom or security. Think about that. This is why the liberal party is in the process of taking a beating in this next election. Did you know about 32%, last I heard, of democrats are leaving the democratic party and swinging to the republican party? Even many democrats can see what is going on in our country and they don’t like it.

 
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So let me ask all you edumacated people. What makes you think taking the guns away from the honest citizen is going to do? Is that going to end violence in the whole world, or even America? Violence has been part of life since man first walked on two legs. So you guys prove to me that banning guns is going to stop violence. It’s obvious logic and facts don’t work on your limited conceptions. So tell me you mental giants, how is it going to do away with violence.

 
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The Constitutional right to bare arms is an actual right. A woman’s right to choose is not.

The Constitution is the basis for our form of government, or as many call it the rule of law. It is this document that determines the limited powers of our federal government. States have, or are supposed to have more governing power than the federal government. The people are supposed to be the final power. This is not how we are now. Both the people and local governments have been usurped by a power hungry federal government.

It is not up to gun owners to prove a Constitutional right. It is up to liberals to prove we should do away with one of our freedoms. It is a freedom that is not amendable. The bill of rights is set aside and not up for discussion. The laws, and there are over 20,000 of them have been passed trying to outlaw a basic right that is enumerable. It is there to protect the people from an all powerful government, like we have now. This is why politicians attack that right. It is a thorn in their butts because the people could rise against them and they know it. I don’t want to hear the tired old “how will you fight our army” crap either.

How does the lack of gun control make victims of the blacks, that is just so much BS. Taking the guns away from honest citizens (which is what would be accomplished) make them prey for the predators. There are millions of people who use a firearm to protect themselves and their families every year. You can find this in the FBI stats.

America is not other countries. We are a republic form of government, at least at the moment. That is another story for another time. If Joe Blow jumps off a cliff, are you going to rush to do the same thing? It’s the same with our culture, just because another country, possibly a dictatorship, takes guns away from their people why should we follow along blindly? Other countries are just that, other countries with different cultures.

Let me ask you why you feel unsafe? Have you been attacked by a gun toting felon? I doubt it. You feel unsafe because the liberal mindset has told you are unsafe. In reality you are much safer than you think because there are a lot of American citizens that carry firearms, mostly concealed. And yes, they would help you in a bad situation. I would venture to guess you stand next to one more often than not, yet you have not been attacked or bullied by them.

I agree with you that certain issues are brought up many times to take our attention away from some dirty dealings by the government.

 
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You know vika, I have been in this fight on the 2nd Amendment for about 47 years. There is not much I don’t know about the liberal position on this. You can tell me about how you don’t want to take all of our guns or how it is the gun-owners fault that we have had shooting in this country, but I have heard this all before. When Florida passed the concealed carry law there, the antis screamed blood would run in the streets…..but it didn’t. When they passed the stand your ground laws, the blood would run in the streets. Again it was a big lie by the anti-gunners.

What you and your ilk don’t understand is it isn’t the honest citizens you have to worry about, it is the sociopaths that anti-gun people empower. The criminal elements won’t give up there guns because you pass a law, in fact that is the definition of a criminal. The only people who would follow any law you might get through are those honest gun-owners. This is only a logical conclusion.

Coming to this conclusion, it can only be logical to assume you want to disarm the American citizen and basically eliminate a part of the Constitutional Bill of Rights without due process.

Being able to decimate a right would make it easy to decimate the rest of the Bill of Rights. Assuming this could eventually do away with the Bill of Rights all altogether, it is then easy to conclude this would be your goal as a progressive. Disarm the people and they are much easier to control. Now, I know this is Karma,s goal, he has made this abundantly clear. I might ask you if this is also your goal?

 
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Originally posted by vikaTae:
A decent study of the Nazi party’s rise to power might be a good place for jake to start.

Based on past interactions with ‘Jake’ going back years, I’d say you lost him at that point. Jhco doesn’t ‘study’. He’s said before he doesn’t treat ‘book learning’ as real knowledge. If you’re asking him to absorb new knowledge, you’re wasting your time.

We both know he’d sooner die than do that.

What is it with you and Karma. I know you both think you know everything about everything but you don’t. You make up your facts as you go or lie if need be, kind of like you are doing now. In your minds you are gods, but in reality you are misfits of society trying to make excuses for your lack of acceptance by those around you.

In your case you have enough knowledge to work with Prosthetic Limbs, yet you have several times presented yourself as an equal to a Physician. In fact you have been called on it. Then you turn around and make a statement like the one here. Growup

 
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Karma, are you so desperate to be involved that you make up your posts without any real facts, Only talking points from your democratic commission and their brainwashing? Pete and I were discussing something and you come in with your hateful spew. My take away from your post is you really don’t know what your are talking about on any of this and your facts are just a quote from something you looked up on the internet.

You are so desperate to silence me that you look for any chance to bring up my name in some kind of disparaging way. You are so desperate to make me look bad in a desperate bid to make yourself look better. This comes from the fact you are so week in all of your socialistic positions.

 
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Actually Pete, the Jewish people didn’t have many guns to fight back with during WW2. Most were taken from them. America supplied them with FP-45 Liberator Pistols, cheap and barely usable, that were dropped to them by aircraft. The Jews didn’t have enough guns to put up much of a fight. I don’t consider the Jewish people to be sheep, they happen to be one of the most ferocious armies in the world.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Sedition in the U.S. Congress

I was going to be more active in this thread but reading your same old socialist shit just makes me sick to my stomach. My god karma do you ever think about the collateral damage your thinking does?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Sedition in the U.S. Congress

It was all over the news Kasic, at least for a few days, but I think they revised that part of the story. It reminds me of the Kennedy assassination and how that was silenced. To this day people think our government killed Kennedy.

 
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Why do I need one, vika? News sources pretty much repeated what I said and actually bom’s source laid out what the conspiracies are pretty well. Oh and bom, this is on subject.

 

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Originally posted by BombCog:

You didn’t read even a single one of those links. Not a single damn one. That exact argument is overturned in all of them. “Black lives matter” does not mean “only black lives matter,” you swine, it means “stop treating some lives as worthless.”

I read one as I’m sure they were all pretty much the same. You know, in this day of political correctness and all these little groups of people who want to protest this or that, it has become a bit tiresome. When you get so many trying to be noticed you lose your effectiveness. Lets ask this, are these people trying to reach the American Public or the government? The American Public tend to ignore all of these little radical groups and the government doesn’t give a crap about anything but money. All of these little movements for this or that become just one big protest that becomes ignored. If they want people to feel anything for their cause, they need to back off a bit and not insult the people they want to feel sorry for them.

 
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Maybe you should actually read more books. This is an excerpt from one by Stephen Halbrook. I realize this isn’t liberal weekly but the information is quite interesting.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/12/21/book-excerpt-gun-control-in-the-third-reich/

 
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Ok then, I take it only the African American life matters and all others can go to hell.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Sedition in the U.S. Congress

Do you not keep up on the news, not tv news but other sources. There was not a physician present to pronounce death, no autopsy, and absolutely no investigation. This is strange for a supreme court judge of his importance. A patrolman pronounced him dead, a federal agent decided what caused it and and judge ruled it natural, all over the telephone. I wonder where these public officials got there medical degrees.

 
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That was the democratic party 40 years ago, it isn’t now.