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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Suggestions for next Update

Originally posted by zeldor5:

Do what olinn says but give the half you don’t spend to ancient’s to morgulis because he gives 11%dps hs only gives10

http://www.kongregate.com/forums/2737-clicker-heroes/topics/433738-morgulis-not-working

that thread gives a good explanation of why what you just posted is wrong.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Bugs and Glitches

Originally posted by thetominator:

It seems to me that Cid’s effects stop working. Am I wrong?

I saved Cid’s upgrades ’til later in the game, and although I upgraded significantly, I saw no click damage change.

Bug, or am I reading Cid wrong?

Cid only boosts his own damage, before hero souls he did something like 100k at level 1000 with all upgrades, even with 400 HS he’s only responsible for 4m damage at level 1000, but by that point you have click damage that’s most likely at least a million times as much.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Morgulis not working

Originally posted by RayCoral:

you seem to forgot, Morgulis is for endgame stuff ya sure there better DPS ancients but they all have caps, Morgulis doesn’t which mean overall when all said and done and you max out everyone he your ticket to even more power turning your 10% HS into 11% may not seem like much at first but very later he will be the best ancient you’ve ever had.

siyalatas, bhaal and fragsworth give more boost than morgulis and none of them have a cap.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Suggestions for next Update

Originally posted by Ellsworth:

Could you show me an effective example of proper HS management?

there are several to be found on the forums, but a commonly suggested one is to spend half your HS on ancients.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Suggestions for next Update

Originally posted by Ellsworth:

Considering how most Ancients lose effectiveness v/s the raw bonus of the hero souls, wouldn’t be better to make the bonus of the hero souls permanent and you invest them instead of lose them? (for example, you have 200 HS, and you use 45 in the cooldown, 60 in extra idle damage, and the rest in gold bonus)

completely false, ancients multiply the effectiveness of your hero souls in their specific areas so a balance of ancients and hero souls will always beat favoring one or the other.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Stealth Nerf to Reload + Dark Ritual?

you don’t even need any of that to make your strategy work, you just need to be very active, if you’re not then i’d suggest siyalatas/bhaal, siyalatas boosts your idle damage and bhaal supercharges your skill bursts for when you pop in for bosses.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Hero Souls, DPS and Math

wrong, each hero soul is +10% when you spend you hero souls you lose that +10% bringing you down to what you started with. you lose the bonus not part of your total.

with 6,196 damage, spending 2 souls while having 225 brought me down to 6,143 damage which is roughly a 0,8% decrease.

spending 35 brought me down to 5,276 which is roughly 15% decrease.

you end up with the same amount of damage as if you had never gained those hero souls unless they were spent on something that increases your damage.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / No more Clickstorm?

Originally posted by bloodnok:
Originally posted by olinn:

keeping bhaal at even level or soul cost as siyalatas will make skills still extremely viable, i have siyalatas at level 16 and bhaal at 14 and my skills damage is vastly higher than my idle damage.

As noted above, I couldn’t sensibly consider all the cases where skill ancients are in play; but even without, Siya at level 16 is beaten by any skill combination better than Clickstorm+Powersurge with no manual clicks; beaten by a factor of ten by an all-skill attack. So you might well see much higher skill damage even without Bhaal.

the only downside is the loss of idle gold bonus and 60 sec idle cooldown once the skill burst runs out, but that’s offset by the huge amount of kills during those 30 seconds.

And, of course, the expenditure of HS on buying and levelling up Bhaal. I don’t know the relative costs for Bhaal or how many total ancients you have, so I’ve no idea if you came out ahead vs. dumping extra levels into Siya.

i did the math in another thread, a full skill combo, even without energize, with my level-14 bhaal gives me about 7x as much DPS for 30 seconds as a level-72 siyalatas. (125/18)
http://www.kongregate.com/forums/2737-clicker-heroes/topics/433946-does-clickstorm-ruin-siyalatas-and-libertas?page=1#posts-8459017-row

for 0.5 mins every 15 minutes (1/30th of the time) i can get 25x my idle DPS despite my bhaal being lower level than siyalatas and both cost the same per level.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Stealth Nerf to Reload + Dark Ritual?

Originally posted by grndmaster20:

The full maxed rotation would be 123457 869 – wait 15 minutes – 89 123457 – 12 – 12 – 1234 – 12 – 12 – 123457 869 – wait 15 minutes – 89 123457 and so on.

if you use siyalatas at level 7 or above (+175%), those 1.2 skills actually decrease your DPS, with lvl-16 siyalatas i’d be replacing my +400% with +170% DPS, though since i also have bhaal, the 1.2.3.4 combo is still massively more powerful than my idle DPS.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / No more Clickstorm?

Originally posted by rob333:

Can you still upgrade heroes without loosing the bonus?

as far as others have reported, yes. i haven’t refreshed yet so i can’t be positive, but everyone says that leveling up heroes does not remove idle bonus. i’m also pretty sure that switching game modes (farm/progress) and changing zones will not remove the idle bonus either, but since i’m not in 12b yet i can’t say for certain.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Hacked game save

this has been done, all posts linking to hacked versions are deleted and the threads get locked.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Does Clickstorm ruin Siyalatas and Libertas?

Originally posted by Krolan:
Originally posted by vondy1:

i don’t own any idle skills but they way they scale you probable gain more form the 30 seconds while its active then when it’s not active since you gain +10 click/ sec + 100% bonus from power surge and if it’s a better time + 50% crit + 100% gold drops. or best with energize + golden click and super clicks so the lose of damage from idle also note that late game crit = 50% from click storm +9% and you deal 18X damage or click damage = 4x (2x from dps increase 2x from super clicks) .59 or 100% depending on how you use engergize you deal 18X click damage x 10/ sec + your clicks / sec x 18) so it’s very very very easy to see how you would gain as much useing skills over time as not using them

I’d still rather get a lvl72 Siyalatas to increase my DPS by 1800% (18x) all the time than using skills to do the same for 30 seconds and interrupting my Siyalatas for 60 seconds. Seriously.

with even a level 14 bhaal using skills will give you ((0.035x10 x(0.59*55.8) x3)x2) +1 or 70x your non-idle DPS for 30 seconds and interrupting your idle bonus for 60, and that’s without manual clicking which can double the bracketed gain if you get 10 manual clicks per second.

i get on average 8 manual clicks per second so i get ((69*1,8)+1)x(my non-idle DPS) for 30 seconds which is 125x and that’s with a lvl14 bhaal, the x5 i get from my level16 siyalatas is laughable in comparison, but since i’m only able to do this combo every 15 minutes, the idle ancients are still very good. it’s a pretty nice balance, imo.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Idling vs. Not Playing

Originally posted by hooverboy:
Originally posted by tiolera:

Actually with Libertas and Siyalatas +150% each, i earn less money (like half) when i leave the game as idle than i leave without… don’t know why

what do you mean by this? Because clicking and using skills should almost always beat idling.

clicking does not beat idling, especially if you have either Libertas or Siyalatas, and with high enough Siyalatas you need Bhaal to make skills worth losing the idle bonus.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Achievments help

Originally posted by darren_juventus:

i have accended since the update but im still floor 264. i will wait and see than

you should have encountered omeet on level 100 and the green one on level 200. you get hero souls the first time you kill them per run.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Suggestions for next Update

Originally posted by Serinorah:

I would like to suggest that using clickstorm not knock you out of idle since you can activate it and then go back to what you were doing before. I’m not sure how easy it would be to have the game differentiate between physical clicks and virtual clicks but if possible then it would make the use of skill while idleing worth while for those of us who use the idle ancients.

this would be far too overpowered, i can see the non-click skills being available like they were before 12b but getting +100% and +2130% (+2230% total) bonus damage on top of siyalatas will never and should never be possible, and that +2130% bonus is without bhaal who can easily multiply that number several times.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Achievments help

centurions are every 100 levels, they’re kind of a guaranteed primal boss. you may need to ascend to get them if you haven’t since patch 0.12 came out.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / No more Clickstorm?

keeping bhaal at even level or soul cost as siyalatas will make skills still extremely viable, i have siyalatas at level 16 and bhaal at 14 and my skills damage is vastly higher than my idle damage.

the only downside is the loss of idle gold bonus and 60 sec idle cooldown once the skill burst runs out, but that’s offset by the huge amount of kills during those 30 seconds.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Suggestions for next Update

Originally posted by Gavman:

I’m not a big fan of having to click 20-30 times to get a treebeast every restart – It gets tedious.
An achievement after 25 wins to start with lvl 1 treebeast?

Khyros gives extra gold on ascension, starting at 50 then 250 and then quadrupling per level.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Energize Explanation (and more!)

Originally posted by JordanW103:

As of v12. Getting Bhaal to level 9 gives you 42.3x critical hit multiplier.

[42.3-(42.3X0.59+0.41)] / (42.3X0.59+0.41) = 66.752079473% improvement

So leveling Bhaal up to 9 or more, makes it better to energize lucky strikes.

Note that it levels off: a level 1million Bhaal is still only a 69.45% improvement.

using calculator gives me different numbers than OP states. 0,59*18 = 10,62.
(41/59)*100 ~ 69,5% energizing lucky strikes is always 69.5% vs. superclicks 67%

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Tier list for Ancients, v1

Originally posted by spyke252:

Thusia only works in conjunction with golden clicks and is a detriment otherwise.

even without Thusia i managed to get full 30 seconds of clickstorm/MD/golden clicks without taking away more than 70% of the chests HP, with Siyalatas you get Thusia’s benefit just by clicking so even when using golden clicks, Thusia provides zero benefit while slowing you down.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Does Clickstorm ruin Siyalatas and Libertas?

yes, clicks for clickstorm stop siyalatas and libertas boost.

treasure chests give gold based on level, the “more HP for treasure chest” ancient is only useful for getting more golden clicks in before the chest dies.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / When to buy upgrades

i tested it with level-10 Cid, without upgrade it’s 59 click damage at level-10, 65 at level-11 so 6 damage per click increase. http://i.imgur.com/YLzxMJ6.jpg

with upgrade it’s 117 click damage at level-10, 129 at level-11 so 12 damage per click increase http://i.imgur.com/2j9cilG.jpg

all upgrades improve the base damage and the total damage is base*level, so no, it does not matter when you buy them except for the fact that you get a growing boost right away when you buy them the moment you can.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Siyalatas is good?

Originally posted by ahihoel:
Originally posted by olinn:

it’s multiplicative not additive ., the more hero souls you have the less total damage loss you get and the more total DPS you have the more effective Siyalatas is. at +100% it doubles your total damage, including the damage from hero souls.

right now i have 84 souls and +250% idle DPS, this results in 840% + 2100% DPS bonus when idle. i leveled up both her and bhaal at the same time from 280 hero souls, but my idle DPS is the same as it would have been if i had 294 hero souls while my skill damage is the same as it would have been if i had 260 (i spent a bit more than i should have).

Can someone confirm?

i didn’t reset neither before nor after getting Siyalats, and i’m still killing mobs pretty quickly despite only have 30% of the hero souls i had before, if it were 840+250=1090% DPS boost, the mobs would be taking almost three times as much time to kill as they did before i got Siyalatas, plus i can see the health bar speed up immensely 5 seconds after i stop clicking.
also: almost every single ancients guide recommends her as one of the first ancients to get, that has to mean something especially since most of them tested each ancient.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Treasure chests

not anymore, they fixed that in 0.11

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Pluto, Ancient of Wealth

is this from tests? because i don’t see where it says that he only boosts golden clicks effect on normal mobs.