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Topic: Clicker Heroes / WHY NERF SOLOMON?

It’s the obvious choice of ancient to nerf, and i think they nerfed it in a fair way with the new patch. Even at 1% it’d still be a very useful ancient long term, and now with the 5% and scaling down after 100%, they keep it useful short term/mid game. While I do not like this sudden twitching and shifting around (do your own beta testing before releasing something, especially when it costs your players who are investing) I do think it’s overall a fair nerf/patch to the game. The initial nerf was very prohibitive to us mid game players, but the new version isnt. That being said, I’m not sure I really understand their fascination with heavy nerfing so readily when they then relent later.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Morgulis

Morgulis is not your friend. For one his initial cost makes it so that you are almost always better without him. Want to have 10 Ancients and have one be Morgulis? To have more than negative balance to your DPS from Morg, you’d need to invest 5k souls in him (otherwise you’d have more DPS from not having him at all and just letting the souls sit there. The 10th ancient costs 500 souls, so to make up that price difference and justify buying Morg, you’d have to make up that 500 soul DPS value via Morg bonus which is 10%.). Even then he’d yield even 0% net DPS boost. You’d have to put more and more, etc. Even then you get a crappy 10% additive bonus vs other ancients giving massive multiplicative bonuses. If I dumped all my souls into Morg right now, i’d have 10% more DPS. Wooo. If i bought one level of Siya, i’d have 25% more DPS. So Siya’s cost gets too high? There’s loads of other ancients that have better output than Morg. So while it is bad at low levels, it’s truly awful as you get more ancients. Something to consider: Energize + Dark Ritual gives your world x10% DPS. So basically… one E+DR is the equivalent of dumping all your souls into Morg. And DR also has no base soul cost. And DR also can be stacked repeatedly. And the souls you wasted on Morg could have been spent to boost DPS far more efficiently (on which DR would also stack). tl;dr : Morg is additive bonus, deceptively costly, and sucks.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Does idle bonus work offline?

Idle gold/DPS is supposed to have some effect while offline/window closed. It is generally thought to be lesser effect than while window is open. The math is a little fuzzy atm, and with the devs patching, it may remain such for a bit.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Morgulis not working

Originally posted by RayCoral:

yes but lvling those ancients increases the cost per lvl so what would be worth it more lvling up a Siyalatas who would cost 250 HS for 25% increase or put those 250 HS into Morgulis, tell me now who would be better end game huh.

Siya, most likely. Morgulis’s initial cost is staggering in order for him to be anything but a detriment. If you have 10 heroes, you need to invest 5k souls into Morg before your DPS with Morgulis is better than your DPS without having him at all. Then further, you have to consider your 250 souls invested… out of how many other souls? If you only have 250 souls, you shouldnt be investing them in either (and you certainly shouldnt have Morg at all). If you have a lot more souls, then Siya will win again, because the multiplicative v additive. Making 250 souls into the DPS value of 275 souls is really not that impressive, considering how little that changes your DPS. If you have, say… 2k souls, tossing 250 into Siya for a 25% boost(a benefit you will notice) is easily better than the 25 soul value bonus from wasting them on Morgulis (a benefit which you will not notice). Morg is balls. You’d have to have all other better multiplicative heroes be cost prohibitive despite increased soul income before you used him at all. Realistically, you’d have to figure it’d be millions of souls in before it was worth using him, and even then I’m really not particularly certain. If you’re playing for fun, use him as a collector’s piece. If you’re playing for optimization, he seems pretty irredeemably terribad for 99% of players.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Morgulis not working

Marginal cost of ancients only applies if you’re only buying a few. They can cost up to 25 thousand souls. Your math is wonky anyways, you’re assuming dumping 100% of souls. 5 HS into Morg would give me no noticeable change in DPS because i have hundreds of souls. 5 HS into Siya would give me a massive change. Morgulis can beat Thusia, in that with a half million souls, Morgulis would stop sucking as much possibly and Thusia is always a negative, but Morgulis is straight up terribad. You need to invest a large amount to break even, and far more to gain any positive benefit. Even then, it’s additive. Other heroes take little to give a large amount of benefit and work in a multiplicative manner.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Morgulis not working

I disagree Krolan. He does not cost 1 soul. The idea is “are you better with or without Morgulis” not “Is Morgulis worth 1 soul?” The answer is, for 99% of the players, that they are better without Morgulis. He is a detriment for most players, who would do better with an empty slot and some extra souls.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Morgulis not working

The real issue is that Siya still should win, even late game, I think. Assuming you run mostly idle damage. At 10 thousand souls, if Siya costs 1k souls to upgrade, a single Siya is far better than a thousand more souls in the Morgulis bank. There is a breaking point where if Siya reduces your Souls by more than ~20%, Morg might be better, but keep in mind consider Morgulis the cost of your most expensive ancient. If you have 25 ancients (ignore thusia) consider Morg comes at a cost of 25 thousand souls. Granted, that’s a lot. So, you have 10 ancients. Morgulis costs you 500 souls (500 souls you’d have if you didnt have Morgulis). Those 500 souls raw will not be made up until Morg reaches some pretty heavy investment levels (5k souls in Morg=5500 value). To need 5 thousand souls in an ancient to break even is quite a bit to invest. Now, if you’d invested those 5500 souls elsewise, you could do quite a bit more than break even. If you want more ancients, the cost value increases, and quickly. Got 21 ancients? Morg costs you -10k souls raw, so until you get 100 thousand in him… you see his issue. Somewhere down the line, when Siya upgrades are staggeringly huge and you have have massive amounts of souls to burn, he’ll be useful, but I’d not rush him until then. As I best understand it.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / refund vaagur cost

Vaagur is worth the 120 souls, but it doesnt feel right getting a 75 soul tax because the devs launched prematurely before checking their values… At this point it may be too late to properly refund, I dont know if they have record, but it’d go quite a ways toward placating a bunch of unhappy people if it could be arranged.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / kongregate badges and ranking

Even though this is an only semi-idle game, it’s still an idle game. The closest thing to an idle game that got badges was Anti-Idle (honestly not that different from this or AdCap in that they’re optimization and wait v old school idle) and it’d be a paltry, easy badge for basically logging in and checking it out. I’d certainly not expect that here, either. It lacks real gameplay or noteworthy benchmarks, it lacks API, it is constantly undergoing major overhauls (think back to when there were no hero souls, etc) it lacks quite a lot really. Furthermore, games typically must remove the import/export feature before badges can be implemented, and removal of that feature would deeply weaken the game. I’d say with near certainty that badges will never come

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Guide: List of heroes by self-DPS increase

The effort is appreciated, unfortunately, this list has no significance. It really says little about which chars are good or bad beyond the obvious ones like Betty, Amenhotep and Midas. The 100/100/100/150 does not make a hero even passably good. Consider Sir George. His mother performs fellatio in low DPS hell. He’s terrible. He has 100/100/100/150, but he’s terrible. Referi is terribad too. Frostleaf and Aphro punt them out of the park without any issue or hesitation, others too(including Shinatobe and Grant, who both, in their own right, are really pretty poor). Samurai is better than Brittany is better than Ivan is better than Treebeast. And not just a slight fraction of a percent, either. This list really doesnt help which to gild, because it actually fairly misinforms the user as to which heroes are worth gilding. Try Robo’s list at http://www.kongregate.com/forums/2737-clicker-heroes/topics/430911-late-game-hero-power (still keep in mind, there’s more to it than raw math of choosing the best cost/dps ratio)

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Endgame hero upgrade tactics?

That is not the best tactic, by my estimation. Firstly, not sure how cost effective regilding is until you have quite a quantity of souls (a couple hundred at least, and check what the rerolls will be before you decide to accept them or not). Secondly, on DPS/cost alone, treebeast is farrrr from the best. Ivan and Forest Seer beat him, Brittany beats them, and Samurai punts them all out of the park. Frostleaf is up there too. Robo has the proper math breakdown. Thirdly is that late thousand jump and the spread of characters. As the early gang hits around 1700-1800 you cannot as easily advance them higher, and you want new char’s hitting that thousand barrier so that you will be able to advance properly to maximize off the 10x boost. Aphrodite is the only late game hero shy of Frostleaf who has respectable DPS, so getting her gilded would be very helpful. One of the early three (while treebeast has significantly lower DPS/cost value than someone like Brittany, he will break the thousand barrier earlier than her. She may be better most of the time, but there are times when treebeast will be more useful, so meh.), Samurai, Aphro, and Frostleaf as the four primary focal points, but realistically, until you have a bunch of souls to fine tune distributions, a lot of it will be taking what you get and waiting for the upcoming update and the soul-spending features.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Best gilded Hero?

/Deleted my post after i realized that the dearth of heroes around her actually is significant in making her good, since everyone seems to be gaining 25 level increments at pretty even pace. Hadnt refreshed, didnt see the following posts. I would maintain that she only stands out because the surrounding heroes suck, but reason notwithstanding, that should make her pretty interesting long term, maximizing the 10x boost’s significance. Pacing out 4 heroes pretty evenly would be better than 4 heroes clustered close together on the list, presumably.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Late-game hero power

I’m not entirely convinced that Endurance running isnt ideal for soul gathering. Seems to go in a bit of a reverse bell curve atm, but Dark Ritual makes it about as easy to jump from 160 to 170 as from 200 to 210. In such a case, the Primal Souls could be worth more when they get into the heavy drops.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Gilded Heroes Doubts

The issue is, which hero your regild will grant is written in stone. Every gilding/regilding is predetermined, so you have the potential for getting screwed over on a save file and not being able to realize it for a couple days. At least until they address the problem, if they choose to.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Gilded Heroes Predetermined?

If you allow randomized rolls, you have a potential for exploit— people exporting, regilding, importing if they fail. I do understand that. It is, however, easily addressed (put a cooldown on regilding after an import, put a time stamp on the import/export, etc). And really, does it cause any harm even if they did? They still are charged two souls. Or put an order of sorts to it— you do not get duplicates until you get one of each. Or they go in order, or any number of things. Alternately, seed order refreshing within a certain number of hours, or levels or milestones reached (monsters killed, etc)

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Suggestions for next Update

Make the gilding/regilding randomized for each roll. This is an important point to address. As it stands, you have some save files preordained to derive no real benefit from gilding, or at least far less than average. For instance, in my first 30 gildings, i will get abaddons and amenhoteps galore. About 4 for each, and 2 Bettys. No Treebeast. No Brittany. No Ivan. This order will never change, because there are no randomized rolls, there are gilding paths for each save file that write in stone whether gilding will benefit you or not. So I have no interest in playing or paying, because my next 30 gildings are going to suck. I may as well abandon ship, essentially. If you allow randomized rolls, you have a potential for exploit— people exporting, regilding, importing if they fail. I do understand that. It is, however, easily addressed (put a cooldown on regilding after an import, put a time stamp on the import/export, etc). And really, does it cause any harm even if they did? They still are charged two souls. Or put an order of sorts to it— you do not get duplicates until you get one of each, or they go in order, or any number of things. But as it stands, the system openly dismisses many players/their save files and the time they’ve put into it. Would it be such a bother to me if I didnt take a peek? Probably not, but it’d still be a problem in the game itself. It is set in stone that some people essentially do not receive the gilding feature, currently. Cant see spending more time on the game if this is not addressed.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Gilded Heroes Predetermined?

For some idea of the problem: My next heroes will be Abaddon, Alexa, Midas, Fisherman, Amenhotep, Betty, Frostleaf, Forest Seer, Alexa, Leon, Abaddon, Beastlord, Amenhotep, Abaddon, Aphrodite, Aphrodite, Referi, Amenhotep, Shinatobe, Amenhotep, Mercedes, fisherman, Aphrodite, Referi, Fisherman. I can skip an individual flip sometimes (if you regild Betty, she will not become Betty, so when you arrive at a Betty spot, it may be worth regilding just to bypass her, since she is worse than useless late game.) Basically, I am predetermined to forever be worse than someone who gets Treebeasts. It is unavoidable. It blows. I’m forever made less than the average player in an unchangeable way, unless I imported someone else’s data. So… that just sucks. Way to go, devs. Could’ve made it an actual roll for each hero, just put a cooldown for importing data/regilding to keep it fun and interesting. Instead you made it where some players are permanently screwed over and become disinterested. Nice.

 
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Topic: Clicker Heroes / Gilded Heroes Predetermined?

OP is correct, I’ve noticed the same thing. It’s not determined by day, nor by ascension, nor is it rerolled each time. The next 15 heroes i gild is written in stone, no matter how I acquire the gildings/regildings. Not all that thrilled on that topic, I get a predetermined nerf to my game because my gilding likes Betty and Broyle.

 
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Topic: SAS: Zombie Assault 4 / The Curse of Speed

I dont think he is asking the devs, so much as the average player. I’d respond, but I’m too low of level to have anything to contribute properly, I was more reading it to help me decide where to attribute my points as an assault. It’s an interesting bit to consider.

 
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Topic: AdVenture Capitalist / Has anyone tried ONE of everything?

Not really sure why you would think that would be faster… the game requires you to spend money to make money. You want to make the greatest possible increase in DPS for price, running a balance of considering the achievement boosts versus the immediate payout. So… unless you can come up with a slower strategy (waiting more than one day between each full cycle?) you will be hard pressed to find a less optimized method. As best I can understand the question. And it’s pretty fast getting to the duodecillions, it just turns tragically slow after you hit 1800 newspaper stands, as there are no more upgrades to drive for and the Pi upgrade is not exactly ground shaking.

 
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Topic: Ballistic / Marksman skill tree

The fun thing is, the folks who stay in the safe zone never will win a match for their team. Really dont help their team much even. The fields of fire are easy to maneuver around, and it means one less player for their team. Especially on KotH or Point based things, they’re just a bit more deadweight to slow your team down. The best wraiths, I’ve found, are the ones who constantly move to new positions out in the field or those who pin people in their own spawning points for as long as they can. Safe zone camping may be fun (?) but you’d better serve your team by run and gunning/grenade chucking/being a bullet sponge/forerunner for your team’s better players.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Upcoming Badges!

Personally, I’d say 10 defeated on (normal) Survival mode would be a very solid hard badge, even far more difficult than most hard badges out there. Survival and insane survival arent so different, basically coming down to which bosses you draw. 5 on insane survival mode so far outstrips other hard badges that I cant really see endorsing it, as it is significantly more difficult than many impossible badges and would come down largely to how many cactus bosses/alien bosses you draw. A 10 insane survival mode would be a bit unreasonable for an imp badge, I think, but that’s kind of the fun of them. Would finally be one to compete with V:GL in difficulty

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Birthday Kreds

Or, alternately, get a job. But just make sure it’s a job that doesnt require you to spend too long away from Kongregate. Because all hail KongBaby!

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Birthday Kreds

Not a good idea. People would be making 730 accounts and earning 20 kreds a day which they then use to dump into a main account with a shell game that allows for kred purchases. Could probably automate the system and up the scale to be making massive sums more than that too. Even if not, Kongregate.com would be bleeding hundreds of dollars every day that it doesnt need. Kreds are real currency, not just online money. People can make their livings off of kred transactions. Better keeping birthday presents to fake currency and family/friends that can be coerced into donating to the pity fund. Lastly, it’s not that hard to earn kreds. Earn some money (eBay, etsy, surveys, donate blood, wash cars, sell lemonade, serve your parents, mow lawns, deliver newspapers if anyone still uses newspapers, build sites, make games) and then buy kreds with the cash. Or save it up for a house and food if you arent a true gamer.

 
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Topic: Legacy of a Thousand Suns / Item dont want to drop on mission boss

Kill more.