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Gardevoir is one of the weakest Fairys in the game.
Originally posted by Gabidou99:
something I want to bring up, the majority of defensive mons may be slower, but due to bulk, many can take a hit and attack back.
Ohhh, a Pokemon which Gardevoir is weak to. What a fucking great example.
Azumarill, thats about it. But then again, Greninja runs Gunk Shot for Azumarill, so…
TBolts will do barely more damage than Hyper Voice.
252 SpA Mega Gardevoir Thunderbolt vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 282-334 (70.8 – 83.9%) — guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Pixilate Mega Gardevoir Hyper Voice vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 276-325 (69.3 – 81.6%) — guaranteed 2HKO
it is? Tell me why. Didn’t you just say Heatran gets killed by Focus Blast and now you are saying it checks? Do you know what a check is?
Just because Heatran is a check doesn’t means Gardevoir doesn’t stance a chance to it, unlike with Scizor.
Seismic Toss, you forgot?
Not all Chanseys has Seismic Toss, you forgot? And again, MGardevoir has a chance against Chansey with Calm mind if you’re facing an inexperienced player or you’re just lucky.
Except that its the glass cannon of Offensive Fairy’s. Since the ORAS meta is made up of Hard hitting Megas now, like Beedrill, Pigeot, Diancie, Swampert, Sceptile, etc. Gardevoir has trouble.
Gardevoir can take one/some attacks from most of these. It will OHKO Mega Sceptile with Hyper Voice, Mega Beedrill with Psychic/Psyshock on the switch in and 2HKO Mega Pidgeot if not OHKO. I’m pretty sure MGardevoir can take a shot from Mega Pidgeot, since it will be spamming the same special attack, which is Hurricane. Maybe it can take even 2 Hurricane.
Show me a few of these “Physical sweepers” please?
Excadrill. Gardevoir can Trace Excadrill’s Sand Rush, outspeed it in the sandstorm and OHKO it with Focus Blast, if it hits.
(If you’re ignorant, Gardevoir will keep the speed boost from Sand Rush when it Mega Evolve for 1 turn.)
Dragonite when not a full health. Gardevoir can take an Earthquake from Dragonite.
252+ Atk Dragonite Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 24 Def Gardevoir: 168-198 (60.6 – 71.4%) — guaranteed 2HKO
Heracross. MGardevoir just outspeed it (After the turn Gardevoir Mega evolve) then OHKO with Hyper Voice.
… And more.
The metagame is early, and Alexwolf thinks that MGarde should be A+ rank for being a stall breaker. The thing deserves A- -—→ B+ as of now, cause the offensive presence in the ORAS meta is too much for MGarde, as much of the mega sweepers are faster than it. 100 speed category isn’t as good as it was in XY meta.
Ok, I’ve had enough of this “ORAS META IS FULL OF PHYSICAL SWEEPERS!!!!!!!!!” bullshit.
Where are your sources? Where did you learn everyone use full of physical sweepers for their teams?
And anyway, MGardevoir isn’t made to fight Fast Physical Sweepers.
MGarde needs actual BP support to actually sweep hardcore
First of all, MGardevoir’s main role isn’t sweeping. Second, it can set up Calm Mind easily when facing the right Pokemon. Sweeper MGardevoir can works on team that lack of fast physical attackers.
or else it will get destroyed by anything faster than it.
Just reminding you that just being faster than MGardevoir doesn’t immediately means you will beats it.
MGarde has a noticeable amount of flaws, most notably his Defense, Speed tier, competition on mega slot, and 4MSS,
Ok, that the most ignorant and idiotic part of your post. First, It has a workable speed. Second, I’ve never seen ANYONE having problems when choosing a Mega Slot when putting Gardevoir on his/her team. Almost no one want to use Mega Alakazam, Mega Medicham and most other Fairy/Psychic type Pokemon on the same team as Mega Gardevoir. The small competition is choosing between MGardevoir and MCharizard X/Y. Normal Gardevoir can also works, as a Choice Scarf user and maybe even a support. And finally, your “4MSS” bullshit, I already proved you wrong on a previous post. I’ll says it again: MGardevoir just need Hyper Voice, Psychic/Psyshock, Calm Mind and Taunt and it can do it’s role. You can also switch Taunt OR Calm mind for WoW, depending on your team needs.
that make it a good spot for B rank.
Reserved for Pokemon that are great in the OU metagame. These Pokemon have more notable flaws than those above them that affect how they function in the tier. Their positive traits still outshine their negatives, but they require a bit more team support to bring out their full potential.
MGardevoir can works without support, plus all the reasons above of why it’s rank A.
1. Giving an example of a defensive mon. Sorry.
2. Ok, but Hyper Voice is 10x better. its literally Gardevoir’s only spammable move.
I haven’t seen anyone use TBolt on Garde, and I’ve been on low ladder.
3. Do you know what a check is? “Pokémon A checks Pokémon B if, when Pokémon A is given a free switch into Pokémon B, Pokémon A can win every time, even under the worst case scenario, without factoring in hax.” (From Smogon article http://www.smogon.com/smog/issue32/checks-and-counters) Heatran can’t switch in, and he can’t take a Focus Blast. Therefore, Heatran is NOT a check, but can severely damage Gardevoir if it is Scarfed.
4. sigh every normal set runs Seismic Toss normally, no buts, no cuts, no coconuts. CM Garde is unviable in this meta cause most common megas are faster than it and can KO it
5. I was trying to say they were checks, in context. I also forgot to put in Metagross, who could possibly counter MGarde. Physical Sceptile can easily KO Garde, same with Beedrill (Although he can’t switch in) and Pigeot. If these mons get a free switch in, they ultimately destroy MGarde. MGarde has way too many Mega’s that destroy it in ORAS meta.
Factoring the regular human brain, Gardevoir will Mega Evolve the first turn it is in there and try to Hyper Voice TTar. You switch into Excadrill and OHKO back with Iron Head.
Is this DNite the DDance variation? MGarde can’t switch into +1 Dnite and it can’t KO full health DNite. Kinda narrows it down.
You would be an idiot to keep MHera in on MGarde… Don’t even try that.
Notice the lack of Defensive cores, showing that Offensive is a preferred team design in this meta.
Honestly, this isn’t going anywhere, and since you are calling me ignorant and idiotic, you clearly dont look at the mirror when you do your hair in the morning, so ill just call it quits and say you won. Ok, Gab?
Oh, and also, you can’t Taunt Mega Sableye cause he has Magic Bounce, But whatever