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Topic: Serious Discussion / Spanking: yea or nay. -- Now expanded to include: How humanity uses physical force to ensure desired compliant behavior.

Psychic? Because I know this child? Because his mother is friends with my step-mother? Because when he continued coming around he never taunted any of the dogs in our house?
Yes RollerCROWster, that makes me psychic.

Where did I ever say I never saw him again? Or are you trying to be psychic?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why american soldiers should not be allowed in ukraine?

Jhco…if the people of Crimea vote to leave the Ukraine, what do you say to that?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Spanking: yea or nay. -- Now expanded to include: How humanity uses physical force to ensure desired compliant behavior.

Kasic It’s difficult to have a serious discussion with you when your arguments consist of fallacies which you never accept as wrong. A good example is this

“Spanking doesn’t teach anyone anything.”
This is completely and utterly incorrect. It can be argued that it’s not the best way to discourage improper behaviour, but to out right claim that is ’doesn’t teach anyone anything’ shows the bias you already have in this argument. And it’s a blind bias as I’ve just read now that you’ve said
spanking is violence for the sake of violence
Again this is not only incorrect, but complete nonsense and shows just how extreme your opinions are.

Now let’s put this into perspective, does anyone here really think spanking (as described in my definition 2 pages back) will have such a profound and detrimental effect on a child’s mental and physical growth? Does anyone really believe that because of a smack to the bottom, a child will grow up to be violent? To have societal problems? etc…
People like Kasic are great at making a smack sound like the parents are beating the ‘living shit’ out of the child, and that they do it for fun.

It would be wonderful if every child listened to their parents, or that the worse that any child did was steal a lollipop…but that is not a reality…some child are very difficult, unruly and sometimes can do some terrible things…and in the right circumstances a smack is justified because a time-out has not achieved anything.

Now, in regards to what I had previously said about me smacking a child. I was around 15 or 16 at the time, the kid was 8…I had explained to him why not to hit and taunt the pup, then I warned him that I’d tell his mother, when he said that all his mother will do is give him a ‘time-out’, I warned him that I’d smack him…and so when he did what he was doing again, I smacked him. And I know, since I was there, that HE most certainly learned something. Now this is the only time I can remember ever smacking a child.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Spanking: yea or nay. -- Now expanded to include: How humanity uses physical force to ensure desired compliant behavior.

Ungeziefer

They didn’t learn “Don’t bother the puppy, because it will bite you, or you will make it sad – or whatever”
I tried to explain to the 7 year old that the dog does not like it. I tried to get the boy to emphasise with the dog. Nothing worked. Not even the threat of telling his mother…so while ideally it would of better to have the child learn the ‘humane’ reason why not to harm a dog, there wasn’t time nor the willingness of the child to accomplish this…so the action I took I felt was justified…I’m not too sure if I’d like to of seen ‘karma’ be dealt to this kid in the way of a dog ripping his face off…and I think it could be argued that while ‘spanking’ maybe ‘superficial consequences’ in your opinion, if it stops the behaviour until the time that the kid grows up a little to actually ‘understand’ why his actions are harmful and wrong, then was the spanking not ‘beneficial’?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Spanking: yea or nay. -- Now expanded to include: How humanity uses physical force to ensure desired compliant behavior.

Explain to me how getting smacked on the rear end teaches anything?

I smacked a kid on the ‘rear end’ when he wouldn’t stop harassing a ‘guide dog’ pup…I told him that if he didn’t stop I’d tell his mother, he just told me that he’d get ‘time-out’, he didn’t care at all, so I warned him that I’d give him a smack if he touched or harassed the dog again..which he did…and so I followed through with my word. He learned something that day.
No, my argument is not ‘bullshit’ just because spanking can be called ‘violence’.
If a child learns not to repeat a behaviour because of a spanking, then he/she has learned something…regardless if it was right to spank or not. So stop repeating the “it teaches nothing” mantra. But you are right in saying that there are alternate methods to discipline a child, completely right.

Entirely different kind of fear.

But you are still making a child submit to your dominance.

There is a difference between following authority and being submissive to a bigger power.
Uh, um…‘following authority’ could defined as ‘submissive’…not too sure what you are getting at.

Ok, so you babysat your 3 siblings. What’s the worse thing they have ever done?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Feminism: Does Sexual Exploitation Empower Women?

Wait, so the Chippendales are being exploited by women?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Animal Captivity

The reason I started this thread was because of the (get ready with the rolled eyes) “Blackfish” documentary. I have never really been a supporter of zoo’s, and I’m guessing most people here would say that animals should be treated humanely, and that keeping ‘wild’ animals in artificial enclosures is inhumane…but do zoos serve a ‘greater good’? Do they help in promoting environmental awareness and protection of wild animals?
And how about other animals kept in captivity…such as birds being kept as pets in cages. Their wings are clipped and are usually confined in small cages for their lives…is this not inhumane?
I also hear vegetarians and vegans complain about livestock conditions, especially poultry and pigs…why have there been no real changes in the laws to stop what I would have to say are some of the most horrific living conditions suffered on animals for our needs.

Ps, Could we start a “Karma & JHCO” thread, just so those two can party together without flipping tables in other people’s threads :)…cheers!

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gay Marriage

I’m putting money on Malaysia as the next country to allow gay marriage…it’s a gut feeling I have.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Spanking: yea or nay. -- Now expanded to include: How humanity uses physical force to ensure desired compliant behavior.

Kasic

Spanking doesn’t teach anyone anything.
Do you have any evidence to support this? Because, speaking honestly and from experience I know otherwise.
It just bullies them into shutting up/stopping
It could be argued that spanking taught them ‘consequences’ of their actions, which is being taught something…whether right or wrong.

I hold by my statement that spanking is just a fear tactic parents use to dominate their child into submission

It may very well be a fear tactic, just as a child fearing to be banned from using the computer, or going out with his friends. Dominate their child into submission? Well, you sure do like using emotive laden words, so, do you think a child should never have to be submissive? That a parent is not allowed to dominate?

it’s still a pathetic way to parent and is demonstrative of a lack of patience/ability to teach.

I would be very interested in hearing if you have children or care for children for any lengths of time.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why american soldiers should not be allowed in ukraine?

Should American soldiers be allowed in Ukraine? Depends if you are talking about Crimea and if you view Crimea as part of the Ukraine without Crimea having any say in the matter.
If we are talking about this…then I think ‘no’.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Spanking: yea or nay. -- Now expanded to include: How humanity uses physical force to ensure desired compliant behavior.

KARMA
Ok, see here I am to finally elaborate on one of my answers…that I think ‘spanking is warranted in very limited circumstances’.

But the trouble is that after thinking on this, I feel I am questioning my position altogether…mainly due to you raising the question of ‘to what age is ’spanking’ ok?’
Well, that had me stumped, why would ‘spanking’ a child be acceptable, but not a teenager? That’s not to say that I have changed my position, only that it’s not ‘sitting’ right with me…and I can’t quite voice it.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Animal Captivity

Animal Captivity has many forms…from farms to zoos, aquatic centres, science laboratories to birds kept as pets in cages…when is animal captivity ok? And when is it not?

Is it ok to keep animals in zoos if their enclosures are ‘big’ enough?
Can it be beneficial for other species to be kept in captivity? Beneficial for them, and/or their species and/or us?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Spanking: yea or nay. -- Now expanded to include: How humanity uses physical force to ensure desired compliant behavior.

Karma
Ok, this is my definition of ‘acceptable’ spanking.

*Hand only (open, of course): Yes
*If implement….what kind: No implements
*How many “swats”: One “swat”
*How hard: How hard is a tough one to explain, but just enough to ‘smart’ is what I’d say.
*What position is child while spanking is being administered: Depending on the place, but either across the knee or standing up.
*Should spanking be “delayed” (for various sensible reasons): For me, spanking is the last resort after trying different methods or reasoning…so it should not be delayed (depending on what you mean by ‘delayed’). I think the spank should be directly linked to the behaviour that you are trying to discourage, so delaying the ‘spank’ for a period of time is not only counter intuitive but somewhat sadistic.
*Should spanking not be done if emotions are involved: Ideally, yes. Hitting a child out of pure anger and frustration is not going to help in the long term.

I’ll expand on what I mean by “very limited circumstances” later…as now I have to be off to work…

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Should disgusting logical fallacies be banned?

We all know Crows are birds and birds have bird brains and bird brains are bad so we shouldn’t listen to anyone that is a bird and Crow is a bird so he must be bad.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Spanking: yea or nay. -- Now expanded to include: How humanity uses physical force to ensure desired compliant behavior.

Ungeziefer

Man, I don’t even have the heart to hit my cat. When there are times that physical dominance must be established I just hold him up high, or press him to my chest and spin him until he gets dizzy. He hates that stuff.

I just don’t understand the ‘hitting animals is wrong therefore spanking a child is wrong."…you also don’t expect a dog to use the toilet and to flush after its self, nor do you expect a cat to eat with it’s mouth closed, nor a mouse to share it’s food and to play nice. And I’m not saying these are good reasons to spank a child, but I’m just showing that we expect and demand a lot more from children because their behaviour will greatly affect themselves and others when they are older, so it is essential that children are rewarded and punished proportionately to the behaviour. And I believe in very limited circumstances, spanking is warranted.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Spanking: yea or nay. -- Now expanded to include: How humanity uses physical force to ensure desired compliant behavior.

Tenco

’Course, when I become a parent I might see the light and get all slap-happy, so who knows?

This is very true, albeit not ‘slap-happy’. I was for a long time totally and absolutely against any physical punishment towards children…but then again I never had any, nor had to deal with any on a daily basis. Now my opinion has changed a little, I feel there are times, as rare as they are, that a slap across the backside is warranted.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The Marriage Process.

Such is a lot like “knowing” if you can ride a bull for 8 seconds….you won’t know until you TRY. You might not be very successful….at all. You might not even like the experience…much. You will likely discover, much later in life, that the process of learning to stay on the bull isn’t a particularly easy one; nor, does it come quickly.

I agree that you won’t know until you try…but you can always practice on a mechanical bull first :) …and in a crude way, that is what your first ‘loves’ and ‘crushes’ are, practice.

I saw a lot of my friends growing up with a negative view of marriage, and I think that persists with the young people of today…is this due in part to seeing their parents divorce?
For a long time I felt no particular desire to get married, even thought it foolish…until I met my girl…but that still doesn’t mean I am necessarily ready.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Spanking: yea or nay. -- Now expanded to include: How humanity uses physical force to ensure desired compliant behavior.

For my two cents I’ll side with Twilight.
Spanking can be effective…at the right time and place. But a bill justifying bruising in multiple places, this is not spanking, this is a beating.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The Marriage Process.

Winnabago I think this quote from Helltank proves your point beyond a doubt…

If a person has been drained of any and all useful resources, unlikely as long as a woman’s vagina remains functional, I simply walk away and leave them to get on with their lives.

I can see that many people feel that marriage is a waste of time, but for me I see it as one of the ultimate steps in commitment.
I think the high divorce rates reflect in part that people get married when they’re not ready for it, so I think it’s a good thing that you ask “How do I know when I’m ready?”…unfortunately the answer is not so easy. You need to really be honest with yourself and evaluate what kind of love it is you have with your girl.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / All you need is love (not a religious thread)

Frankly, if the world were getting more loving, I doubt things like “nuclear disarmament”, “extradition” and “gay marriage” would be major issues of debate.

I don’t follow your logic…I would say 2 of your examples contradict you.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is it wrong to hold the Sochi Olympics in the 3rd world country of Russia?

A bit late in replying to Helltank, and Ungeziefer has pretty much done a good job. Just one thing I’d like to add…what about the gay athletes competing…should they not go because of their safety? Should they be excluded? I disagree that other countries shouldn’t be voicing their opinions at the Olympics about Russia’s anit-gay policies, when their very own athletes could be affected.

Treating gays poorly isn’t shitting all over the rights of its citizens.

If gays are being discriminated against and abused due to government policies…then the government is ‘shitting all over the rights of its citizens’…homosexuals are citizens also.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / HAII <3 Well dicsuzz smokin todaii

This person is obviously one of the funniest people that has ever lived…and also very bored…or has nothing better to do…or just doesn’t mind wasting their time…or gets their giggles by appearing stupid to everyone…or is actually stupid. Anyhow, what are we discussing again?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Amanda Knox farce

Originally posted by Helltank:
Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by Helltank:

Why the hell should I send you prisoners in exchange of what I already should have?

Diplomacy.

If you know you are not going to get what you are after any other way, you sweeten the pot. Make a deal more attractive.

Wouldn’t that just encourage them to bully you and demand even more the next time? Give them an inch, they ask for a mile thing? Look at what they did with Hitler, appeasement policy and all.

No, you’re right, thank God the Non-Proliferation diplomacy never worked out and the US nuked the Soviets when they had the chance! Diplomacy never works, but does sarcasm?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is it wrong to hold the Sochi Olympics in the 3rd world country of Russia?

The ability to hold a sporting event and your attitude toward gays are separate and have no relation.

I’d almost agree if the sporting event was purely a national event, but when it involves the international community, that countries human rights records are legitimately in the spotlight, as any country participating in that country are by de facto giving credence to it’s regime.

I guess I was right in my previous assumption, that you’d of said “the Nazis can kill whatever Jews they want, it’s their country. Unless they start hunting down Jewish athletes, it makes no impact on their ability to host a sporting event.”…going by your logic.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is it wrong to hold the Sochi Olympics in the 3rd world country of Russia?

Originally posted by Helltank:

Besides, the Nazis can kill whatever Jews they want, it’s their country. Unless they start hunting down Jewish athletes, it makes no impact on their ability to host a sporting event.

I’m guessing you would of said this too, back in 1936.