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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

EBWOP: Ok, well, I have to go now, unfortunately, and I won’t be back before the deadline, which means the decision comes now. The general consensus of the conversation, and the two bolded suggestions have leaned towards lynching BCLEGENDS. This is because of his inactivity and fluff going so far against his normal meta, and his uncaring and unexplained attitude towards it, and that last post of his was just lame and shows how little he cares about the game or getting lynched. For that reason, I will Lynch BCLEGENDS.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

Well I now know that I’ll be in work at the time the deadline hits and I’ll have to go soon, so basically I have about an hour to make a decision. As it stands, it’ll be BC, but if anyone has any last minute objections please go ahead and voice them.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

Ok, since I only have a day to make a decision, I’d suggest that everyone recommends who they think should be lynched in bold. That way, I can tally it up easier when the time comes to make a decision.

I’ve already said that I think occooa’s lurking is the most scummy of the inactives, so that’s where I stand if no one says anything from now until tomorrow.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

Regardless of post restrictions, discussion has entirely stopped. We need to figure out who the President has to lynch, too.

The inactives are a good start, since they could easily be lurking. Especially occooa, who I haven’t seen post in the last couple of days. The only explanation is that she’s doing something at night to stop her being targeted for inactivity.

djrockstar’s post consists of a few lines and nothing new really contributed to the discussion.

@BC: There’s a difference between being aggressive and explaining your votes and actions. Even that post is not particularly long and doesn’t fully explain why you’ve decided to vote me for President.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

@Kad: That actually didn’t cross my mind at all yesterday. I wasn’t hiding it, I just genuinely didn’t consider it. I guess I fucked up. I don’t think I was on in between when it was mentioned and the deadline, though.

As far as who the President should lynch today, I think I’d recommend one of the inactives for lurking. Especially occooa, who I don’t think has posted so far but has had no in-thread warnings about inactivity. It’s seems like she’s using night actions to avoid inactivity warnings.

As for the President, I’ll vote the one who I think is best equipped to make a good, solid judgement call if it comes too close to deadline and we haven’t reached a consensus. Vote: Kadleon.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

EBWOP:

I take it that people don’t think I addressed my vote for Gonkey very well, for some reason.

I do hope you’re not being sarcastic there. I don’t think you are, but a little bit of further explanation would definitely have helped. It seems scummy to vote with so little reasoning.

Someone suggested that he could be a supersaint and I just didn’t want to take a risk of losing a valuable player, so I voted Helltank when day was ending.

Racebandit mentioned it once. No one else picked up on it and you didn’t mention it until two whole days later. To only explain a vote now rather than at the time (especially considering you made a post afterwards) does seem to imply that you were just bandwagoning. As far as it being scummy goes, though, it didn’t really serve any purpose other than to make sure that Helltank was deader than dead. It’s not really scummy, it’s just pointless.

@Kadleon (no point quoting a whole paragraph from 2/3 posts above this one)

I dunno about hamuka, but for me personally I don’t use FoS. I think that an FoS is pointless if I’ve spent a whole paragraph explaining and analysing how scummy a person’s behaviour is, and I was doing that for Jouteur at the time. I genuinely believed that Gonkey was the scummiest of the bunch of people I was pointing out, and obviously I turned out to be wrong.

The most interesting thing to note of yesterday was that BC voted first, despite claiming other people’s reasons as why he voted Gonkey. He then promptly disappeared from the conversation entirely. His only post of today so far was fluff. That sort of behaviour is odd, especially when today should encourage more activity with the kingmaker box.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

There’s a lot to process here, so I’ll answer the RQS and then do an EBWOP for the analysis of particularly noteworthy things in the current conversation.

1) Was it worth it? Hmm. In the case of Jouteur, his role was mafia-biased, despite being on the town side. Whilst it is one less townie, it also means that he doesn’t have the potential to (through absolutely no fault of his own, mind) kill other townies. The one townie loss now means that others don’t have to die later. It’s unfortunate that a new guy like Jouteur got saddled with such a bastard role, but that’s how the RNG goes. His role definitely had the potential to kill mafia in theory, but in practice mafia would probably try and stay away from a paranoid gun owner claim.

As for gonkey, he turned out to be telling the truth, despite his dangerous and scummy behaviour and his quite frankly idiotic method of deciding who to target. Again, it’s another townie loss, but his role could potentially have been used to some effect through the game. I’d definitely have preferred a mafia member to go rather than gonkey.

2) This RQS and the host prod seem to have done the trick just fine.

3) I said earlier that it shouldn’t affect much because they should go with what town say, but if town is split, they might have to make a judgement call. I’d want someone who can fully explain and give clear reasoning as to why they lynch who they lynch, so I’d probably go for a player like Kad or hamuka, who have both demonstrated that in the course of this game. That being said, anyone that has been reasonably active isn’t a bad shout.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

So, essentially, we have to decide who is the most trustworthy and most suspect at the same time. Really, any president we elect should lynch who we want them too, because if they don’t then they and the person they didn’t want lynched should be the next lynch targets.

To make it easier for whichever president we elect, when suggesting who to lynch today we should put I recommend the president votes [username], so that the president can count it up and see who the majority of users want to lynch.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

As a side topic of discussion, does anyone have any ideas or theories as to what the rest of Helltank’s boxes do?

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The General Thread

I didn’t see the tournament, but I did buy the MKX today. It’s not technically out in Europe but the games shop near me got it in early and so sold it early. It’s a fun fighter (I haven’t played anything other than two player yet because my brother wanted to play (not that he likes MK he just likes getting in my way)) and it definitely feels a lot smoother and flashier than MK9.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

@crystal: The problem is not that he claimed a town role, because he didn’t claim a role. He claimed town and then you filled in the gaps by claiming his role despite only knowing ‘obstacle’. Gonkey softclaimed and you filled in his claim for him.

I’m not entirely sure I believe that there’s a scum bus driver because that would be pretty bastard. This would mean that Jouteur lied about his role. But that also means that two town members (bus driver and Gonkey) targeted Jouteur on N1 despite his claim of killing anyone that comes near him, which is a very dumb and risky thing for town to do. The other issue is, as I’ve mentioned before, Jouteur’s scummy vote on RaceBandit despite Gonkey using less reasoning.

As for Gonkey, his randomly choosing to roleblock someone ‘for the lulz’ is dumb and very bad practice for a townie. For a mafia on N1, however, it’s not so bad since they already know who’s scum and who isn’t. The other point that hamuka mentioned, that he suggested that there’s a scum bus driver and then asked an investigative role to target him, makes it seem like he’ll conspire with the scum bus driver to produce a town result. This does rely on a very bastard scum bus driver that I’m not so sure about, however, but it’s the biggest source of suspicion in my opinion. Vote: Gonkeymonkey.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / [Mafia] Haunted Forest [Night 3 Deadline: 28.04.2015. 15:00 GMT +2] [Reserve needed!]

Policy lynch it is. Vote: SamuelG2468

 
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Topic: Forum Games / [Mafia] Haunted Forest [Night 3 Deadline: 28.04.2015. 15:00 GMT +2] [Reserve needed!]

The balancing seems shit, but dead townies can influence the game by either posting or voting depending on if they’re dead or alive, which might help a little bit. The cops being trees means that they can reveal their findings whilst they’re dead and don’t need to worry about mafia targeting them.

It’s still pretty shit for town, but not as shit as it could potentially be on first glance.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / [Mafia] Haunted Forest [Night 3 Deadline: 28.04.2015. 15:00 GMT +2] [Reserve needed!]

Confirmed.

@crystal’s RQS:
1. Nope.
2. That depends on who’s saying what. I think there should probably be one, but if we don’t get a lynch because no-one is saying much then that’s not a huge loss.
3. I hope Helltank doesn’t do it this time. I’m not 100% sure from a quick glance at the sheet, although Arecyl is unproven entirely and Samuel has edited his post twice.

@nikeas’s RQS:
1. I hope not.
2. He won’t.
3. No.

Samuel has edited his post twice. He hasn’t read the rules properly. He might be a VI. I’m not sure yet.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

Vote: Extension for starters.

@crystal: What nikeas said. Obstacle does not necessarily mean roleblocker, especially because of how many obstacles are in platformers, and the already confirmed fact that Jouteur has claimed an obstacle (bottomless pit) but not a roleblocker. You taking Gonkey’s claim at face value does look scummy, but the “mafia wouldn’t claim so early” clears that up a little bit. The only issue is that you jumped to his defence and accused nikeas of being scummy because you assumed that Gonkey wasn’t lying. You even called it random. None of this is enough to warrant me voting you at the moment, though.

The other issue is that Jouteur has suddenly changed up what his role does and then voted RaceBandit for bandwagoning rather than Gonkey for voting him in the first place. If mafia does get away, that means the bus driver who swapped him and uzzbuzz is scum, and I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a setup where the bus driver is a mafia role. Unless I’m very much mistaken, that would be a rather bastard role. Has anyone ever seen a setup like that that wasn’t in a bastard mafia?

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

I have literally no idea why a paragraph copied itself in my other post. I apologise for that.

@crystal: Alright then, you’re gullible. Everyone will claim town. No one who is mafia is going to claim mafia. Helltank’s mafia claim is the exception because Helltank’s role is weird and he apparently wanted to die. Point is, Gonkey’s claim can’t be taken at face value at all. As for the point I made about you claiming Gonkey RB’d you, it was merely an observation and is not a particularly big scumtell. I also concur with nikeas as to saying that an RB role should come forward, and it is noted that you have dodged the question of why you said that for 2 posts, which is odd behaviour under a straight question like that.

@nikeas: I was taking it that he’d made that guess after Gonkey mentioning a night action. I was thoroughly mistaken, and it is an incredible coincidence that he got it right. The question is, was it a guess that Gonkey rolled with to hide his actual role, or a scum player protecting his buddy? I’ve yet to determine that, myself.

Which brings me to the actual question of who I vote for. Jouteur lying relies on Gonkey not lying about his role and Crystal’s guess being a coincidence, which clears them both of any suspicion. Jouteur’s claim is fishy and not to be taken at face value, but there’s mounting suspicion against Crystal and a little bit tying him to Gonkey. I think I’m going to wait for Jouteur to talk before casting a vote.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

Now that is scummy. Trying to bait roles into coming forward and speaking openly in the name of discussion makes them mafia bait. It’s just a tad bit dumb to be a proper mafia confirmation. It’s an obvious trap.

Before I vote, I’m gonna wait until Jouteur talks about why whoever deflected Gonkey’s RB onto uzzbuzz didn’t die.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

This is getting weird and confusing. I’m gonna try and put a little bit more of a breakdown on some posts.

First up, 10crystalmask01. Seeing the post that made him believe Gonkey was a roleblocker helps to deviate suspicion slightly. In that light, ‘digging into roles’ isn’t really an accurate phrase, and what he actually did (used the evidence to make an educated guess) wasn’t particularly scummy. However, roleblocker does not say anything about alignment, so it’s not a lot to go on. Crystal assuming that Gonkey is town is actually kind of scummy, since his only evidence is the role not the alignment. Also, Crystal said Gonkey RB’d him and Gonkey said he RB’d Jouteur, and it not being Gonkey does not necessarily mean that Gonkey is the town one. He should not be so sure that Gonkey is town since there’s no confirmation.

Next up is nikeas. As I established in the last paragraph, what Crystal did is not really digging for roles, it’s just using available information to make a conclusion. It’s not particularly scummy, and even if it is it doesn’t necessarily mean that Gonkey and Crystal are scumbuddies. I’m not entirely sure who made that ‘if anybody has an obstacle role, speak forward’ thing, but that is a bit more scummy. If you have a source on that, that would be nice.

Gonkey.. I’m not entirely sure what you’re doing. You seem all too eager to go with the roleblocker explanation despite it not confirming your alignment, only your role. You seemed to think that nikeas was defending you, even though Crystal was defending you. You immediately voted Crystal not based on suspicion or post content, but as a thank you to nikeas. You think Crystal knowing your role is scummy despite it suggesting you are scumbuddies. However, Crystal claimed you RB’d him when you actually RB’d Jouteur. Crystal could be lying, but there could be another roleblocker. Your Jouteur vote based on a small piece of evidence without waiting for him to explain himself is also weird.

Gonkey.. I’m not entirely sure what you’re doing. You seem all too eager to go with the roleblocker explanation despite it not confirming your alignment, only your role. You seemed to think that nikeas was defending you, even though Crystal was defending you. You immediately voted Crystal not based on suspicion or post content, but as a thank you to nikeas. You think Crystal knowing your role is scummy despite it suggesting you are scumbuddies. However, Crystal claimed you RB’d him when you actually RB’d Jouteur. Crystal could be lying, but there could be another roleblocker. Your Jouteur vote based on a small piece of evidence without waiting for him to explain himself is also weird.Bookworm: It suggests there’s a couple of mafioso and they have to decide between them who is the killer. I don’t know how that would fit into the V:GL game in terms of who’s who, but we’ve already seen that Bluji ran out of game mechanics/people to match up to roles, so they could just be called mafioso. I don’t know.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

EBWOP: @nikeas both of those are names for the person that cuts hair.

On a second look through, crystal guessing Gonkey’s role immediately is fairly scummy. The thing with the roleblock being mafia, though, is that we’ve had Jouteur claim that obstacles are town. If obstacles are town, then surely things that block llamas might also be town as well. However, this relies on taking Jouteur entirely at face value and I’m not 100% sure I want to do that. If Gonkey and crystal do turn out to be scumbuddies, the guy who claimed that obstacles are town might also be next, depending on Gonkey’s actual role.

An RQS isn’t a strong tell either way in my eyes, since that’s what kicks mafias off in this board usually. I don’t think it’s particularly telling of BC’s alignment to be completely honest.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

We shouldn’t really be assuming that anyone is mafia, but we can’t assume anyone is town either. As far as I can tell, mafia got lucky on night 1 and shot a cop. I don’t think it was anything to do with what Behe or anyone else posted or anything along those lines.

As for today, I don’t particularly have much to go on. Gonkey was kind of defensive yesterday, but that’s pretty much Gonkey’s style. Race was sort of fixated on the Goal Star being mafia but I think he was just giving out ideas about the possible roles as opposed to cluing us in on his own role. On a quick glance, I can’t really spot anything else out of the ordinary from yesterday. Does anyone else have any ideas or clues?

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

Well, that explains why he was being such an idiot. It did serve a purpose after all. That was.. actually a pretty smart play.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The General Thread

I’d be willing to lend a hand, but my workload would definitely limit how much I can actually do. It’s an absolutely brilliant idea, though, and I want to see exactly how it goes.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

I keep reading shit wrong. Sorry.

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

I have literally no idea what Helltank is trying to do here. Either he’s joking, some sort of town role that helps us by being lynched, or actually mafia trying to act like an idiot to deflect suspicion. I don’t think Helltank is genuinely dumb enough to do the latter, there aren’t any third party roles so he can’t really be a jester, that would be an odd and probably bastard-y town role and he’s trying to bring two people down with him so he’s probably just joking, in his own weird manner.

Gonkey overreacted a little to Helltank’s joke, which is oddly suspicious. However, in the games I have seen him play/played with him, he always roleclaims early, so that’s more his style as opposed to him acting up under perceived pressure. The reactionary vote warrants suspicion, but whilst the roleclaim (town investigative) should be taken with a pinch of salt it’s not an outwardly suspicious thing for Gonkey to do.

Also I saw at least 1 person post about a WIFOM situation. What does WIFOM stand for?

 
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Topic: Forum Games / The [redacted]ing Llama Mafia - Night 3 (DL: 4/28, 4 PM, UTC+3)

1. I haven’t played the game, but there appears to be roles based on obstacles based on what other Gonkey and Jouteur are saying.
2. Consider whether or not the role makes sense, both with what the role does and whether the name relates to the game. Outside of that, general mafia strategies apply (the stuff BC said about making sure docs protect confirmed townies and invest roles do their job)
3. No.
4. The people that are really, really good at mafias (Woon, BC, Helltank and Kad), although no-one should really be let past without any sort of scrutiny whatsoever, obviously.

Gonkey’s claim of an obstacle being town seemed weird until Jeouteur claimed that his role was also town, despite being a bottomless pit. I’m presuming there are enemies in V:GL, right?