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Topic: Serious Discussion / What will America become?

The U.S. can bounce back though. It has before.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What will America become?

Originally posted by TheLoneLucas:

And sometimes helping other nations will help America as well.

I’m sure it will, but at rhe moment we should focus on America. When we have the means to accomadate other nations, it seems only fitting to do so.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Money

Originally posted by TheLoneLucas:

Okay, so, only about money.

Out from that, I can see two things.

1) what money is made of.

2) how awesome or not awesome money is.

And 3) what to do with money.

And what do you mean by that?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What will America become?

Originally posted by onlineidiot1994:

Tariffs or import taxes are the way to go. Cutting all imports just because we can make them here is a bad idea. Granted, the United States has the resources and ability to make most of what it needs to survive, there is the issue of what goods and services are valued at. How many citizens here in the states are willing or even able to pay 75-200 dollars for a pair of jeans? It makes me sad to see that people in China are working at sweatshops and their wage puts them in poverty, and I’d love to see the Chinese government make some form of minimum wage, but the problem of them doing that is that it would create huge inflation for the rest of the world, but let’s not get into that right now. My point is that we need to convince corporations and other big-time businesses that they need to either create jobs here, at the minimum wage or above, or they would have to ignore the American market completely. They would not do the latter because we’re a HUGE consumer market, and they would be making a poor choice not to sell here.

On the other hand, complete deregulation isn’t the key either. If it’s shown anything in the past, it’s that there will ultimately be one who will reign supreme. Ever since the invention of corporations they’ve done quite ruthless things to any independents that have a shot at success. Take, for example, Rockefeller Oil in the mid to late 1800s. It took a federal act against trusts to stop him from gaining 100% control of all oil sold, and when someone gains power over a commodity, it becomes worth whatever that person wants it to be. If it’s a necessary commodity that also creates power, and if there’s one thing I DON’T want is to be a wage slave to the only company for miles.

We don’t need to worry about what China is going through. Right now is a time for Americans to focus on America.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What will America become?

But we can’t keep buying from them when we can make it ourselves and make more jobs at the same time. When the demand for a product goes up and we can no longer get it from a foreign country, we make it ourselves. When the demand goes up for this product, the work force must enlarge, which decreases unemployment and boosts the economy. In this way, a tariff is not needed.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Money

Im trying to stick with the topic at hand, not something irrelevant to money. If she wants to talk about something other than money in a thread titled money, she can start a new thread.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Nativism/Immigration

Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by charlieboy49:

So how will we keep giving out handouts then? That’s why they shouldn’t come looking for a handout: because we cant afford to give them out. I know it may seem wrong but in times like this we need to focus on things other than making the poor people of a seperate country happy.

You know, it would be nice if you did not resort to lies just to keep your argument going. Non-citizens do not receive welfare. They do not get ‘handouts’. You have to be a citizen to be eligible for your 60 months of welfare.

That’s all you get by the way. 60 months or five years. You can have it all at once or piecemeal, but once you’ve had it all, there is no more coming.

I never said they did, I merely told the person who did say that if the government gives out “handouts” we cannot afford it, scince the economy sucks. Do you ever read a whole post?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Nativism/Immigration

Originally posted by jhco50:
Originally posted by charlieboy49:
Originally posted by TheAwsomeOpossum:

Charlie, I would say some are racist, while others are cautious.

We have people with tons of different opinions here – it is what makes America, America!

Originally posted by rms04:
Originally posted by charlieboy49:
Originally posted by rms04:
Originally posted by TheLoneLucas:

Now, this is bad how, exactly?

It isn’t bad, just the fact that America was insanely racist towards immigrants during this time period and was worried about preserving their own “stock”. I don’t agree with much of eugenics other than that they sought to eliminate genetic disorders by selective breeding.

America isn’t racism towards immigrants, they are cautious. We want to ensure the country’s security.

I really don’t know how to address such an uneducated statement, have you learned nothing in this class of yours?

So what do you want me to learn exactly? Some may be racist, but the crux of their racism is caution, which has essencially evolved into fear and hate. Fear of something foreign, and hate because of the foreign nature of the immigrants. And this fear and hate is all condenced into a single emotion which has been labeled with the term of racism.

They want you to learn to accept illegals because they are poor misunderstood people who don’t have the jewels to fix their own country. It is so much easier to use what others have built. They want you to accept their little (pitter-patter) pangs of emotion that is usurping our country in the name of caring for the downtrodden. Poor illegals just want a little handout from a rich country, that is going down the tubes because we are handing out to everyone in the world now.

So how will we keep giving out handouts then? That’s why they shouldn’t come looking for a handout: because we cant afford to give them out. I know it may seem wrong but in times like this we need to focus on things other than making the poor people of a seperate country happy.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Money

Originally posted by vikaTae:

It is relevant to the point at hand. It appears you don’t like it because money is not the sole driving factor involved in these circumstances. If you wish to continually insist that money is the sole driving factor, then I suggest you change the thread to an AX.

So you’re telling me that i should not talk about money in a tread titled money? That is genius!! Maybe on a thread titled politics I should talk about pancakes, scince its not the “sole driving factor”.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Money

Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by charlieboy49:

But “pure mental agility” cannot be directed and used without a motive, the motive being making money. And scince everyone’s situation is different, you cannot say that it all comes down to “pure mental agility”. Two people with the same amount of will, but coming from two different backrounds, will not have outcomes on a similar degree. So i do agree that mental agility is a large part of acheiving a goal, but not a deciding factor.

You are still assuming that money is the ultimate goal. It’s not. For most people, money is not the ultimate goal – being able to have what they wish is. All money is is one means of gaining what they wish. There are plenty of others.

Was it me, or did the title of this thread cleary read money? Why then do you direct the dicussion to people being able to do what they wish to do? You keep changing the subject to make your point sound plausible in this situation. If you wish to post a sensible reply make sure you are posting a comment relevant to the topic at hand.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Nativism/Immigration

Originally posted by TheAwsomeOpossum:

Charlie, I would say some are racist, while others are cautious.

We have people with tons of different opinions here – it is what makes America, America!

Originally posted by rms04:
Originally posted by charlieboy49:
Originally posted by rms04:
Originally posted by TheLoneLucas:

Now, this is bad how, exactly?

It isn’t bad, just the fact that America was insanely racist towards immigrants during this time period and was worried about preserving their own “stock”. I don’t agree with much of eugenics other than that they sought to eliminate genetic disorders by selective breeding.

America isn’t racism towards immigrants, they are cautious. We want to ensure the country’s security.

I really don’t know how to address such an uneducated statement, have you learned nothing in this class of yours?

So what do you want me to learn exactly? Some may be racist, but the crux of their racism is caution, which has essencially evolved into fear and hate. Fear of something foreign, and hate because of the foreign nature of the immigrants. And this fear and hate is all condenced into a single emotion which has been labeled with the term of racism.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Nativism/Immigration

Originally posted by rms04:
Originally posted by TheLoneLucas:

Now, this is bad how, exactly?

It isn’t bad, just the fact that America was insanely racist towards immigrants during this time period and was worried about preserving their own “stock”. I don’t agree with much of eugenics other than that they sought to eliminate genetic disorders by selective breeding.

America isn’t racism towards immigrants, they are cautious. We want to ensure the country’s security.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Money

Originally posted by vikaTae:

Some people just wish to help. Money is irrelevant. Why? Because they already have everything they need to live, regardless of how much money they have.

Some wish fame, glory. To be the next Einstein maybe, or really change the world for the better.

That’s doable for even the poorest individual, if there is a support network in place that gives them a comfortable life, and at minimal cost. We are not quite there yet, but a small group of many of the technologies we are on the cusp of, can give that.

Take the desperate need for money out of the equation, and it becomes an optional pursuit, as valid as any other, but no more valid than the others.

I’m just saying that’s the case when it does involve money.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Nativism/Immigration

Originally posted by TheAwsomeOpossum:
Originally posted by 1132:
Originally posted by charlieboy49:

But how is it distinctive if it is a huge mish-mosh of other nation customs. You are just calling it American because these cultures are in the U.S. There is basicly a group of cultures that are called american because they have gathered in America.

IF the culture in America is found nowhere else,
THEN that culture is American.
Guess what? It’s not found anywhere else, and is thus distinctive to America.

1132, America is not a single culture, it is a mish-mesh of many different sub-cultures, imho. Some of those sub-cultures originated in other countries, and some of them originated here, I think. It is rather hard to classify them as it is a gradient, though =P.

EXACTLY

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What will America become?

Originally posted by jhco50:
Originally posted by charlieboy49:
Originally posted by jhco50:

Yes, there is still a way out of it, but it is going to be uphill all the way. Lower taxes, deregulate somewhat, and cut back on government spending. Even with all of this it will take several years to come around and everyone is going to sacrifice a lot.

I don’t get how we will generate more government capitol without raising taxes. to me the most logical way to get us out of debt is to cut all unnessisary foreign imports. With no imports from other countries to pay for, demend in america goes up, creating more jobs, and therefore decreasing unemployment and creating greater profits for American companies.

When taxes are too high and people aren’t working, there is very few taxes collected and the people aren’t’ about to go out and spend what little money they have on luxury items. They can barely buy the necessities. Just today I heard the poverty level has risen 56% in the last 3 years. 50% of those would have to make twice what they are in order to make the poverty cutoff line. Now, do you think they are paying many taxes?

If you lower taxes, those people will have more money to spend, especially if they have jobs. If they have a jingle in their pocket, they might buy a TV or maybe take their wives out to eat. Maybe buy a few cloths from a store other than the Goodwill. This puts a demand for goods. Business picks up on this and make more goods to sell. To make these goods, they might have to hire some people. All of a sudden the economy starts to grow and people start making more money to buy more goods. All the while government is bringing in more taxes.

There will be jobs when unneccesary foreign imports are terminated. When the demand of products we get from other countries goes up, America will need people to make these products, hence more income for America and the American people because unemployment is down. This means more “jingle” in Americans’ pockets, and ultimately resulting in the stimulation of the American Economy.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Nativism/Immigration

But how is it distinctive if it is a huge mish-mosh of other nation customs. You are just calling it American because these cultures are in the U.S. There is basicly a group of cultures that are called american because they have gathered in America.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Severe Mental Illnesses

When i said that i mentioned the severity of the disease and the nature of the disease. Did you read that part?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Nativism/Immigration

I am not talking about tourists and work visas. i stated that an immigrant should not be living in America illegally before he recieves a visa or citizenship. Maybe I wasn’t exact enough in my first explanation, and for that i apolagize.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Money

Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by charlieboy49:

But “pure mental agility” cannot be directed and used without a motive, the motive being making money. And scince everyone’s situation is different, you cannot say that it all comes down to “pure mental agility”. Two people with the same amount of will, but coming from two different backrounds, will not have outcomes on a similar degree. So i do agree that mental agility is a large part of acheiving a goal, but not a deciding factor.

You are still assuming that money is the ultimate goal. It’s not. For most people, money is not the ultimate goal – being able to have what they wish is. All money is is one means of gaining what they wish. There are plenty of others.

But for most people, money is how they will gain what they are wanting. And just wondering what were the other ways of gaining what they are wanting?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Nativism/Immigration

Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by charlieboy49:

They have programs giving visas to immigrants before they enter the country. It seems to me that if you aren’t a citizen of a country or have permission to be in that country, you should not be in that country.

A visa is not the same as citizenship. It is an acceptance that you may come in under certain conditions and only stay for a limited amount of time.

What you are stating is that we give full citizenship with all its inherent rights and responsibilities, to people before they enter our country. This means for example, that they can stay in their own country and vote in our elections. That they are entitled to our benefits.

I’m saying that immigrant should be citizens when they enter our country and receive the right of being an american citizen, not after they arrive.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Money

But “pure mental agility” cannot be directed and used without a motive, the motive being making money. And scince everyone’s situation is different, you cannot say that it all comes down to “pure mental agility”. Two people with the same amount of will, but coming from two different backrounds, will not have outcomes on a similar degree. So i do agree that mental agility is a large part of acheiving a goal, but not a deciding factor.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What will America become?

Originally posted by jhco50:

Yes, there is still a way out of it, but it is going to be uphill all the way. Lower taxes, deregulate somewhat, and cut back on government spending. Even with all of this it will take several years to come around and everyone is going to sacrifice a lot.

I don’t get how we will generate more government capitol without raising taxes. to me the most logical way to get us out of debt is to cut all unnessisary foreign imports. With no imports from other countries to pay for, demend in america goes up, creating more jobs, and therefore decreasing unemployment and creating greater profits for American companies.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Nativism/Immigration

Originally posted by vikaTae:

So you are anti-immigration? You could have just said that in the first place you know, rather than suggest an idea you knew to be utterly unworkable.

I am all for immigration, but only when the process is being carried out correctly. I’m not sayin there is a way to make that happen I’m just stating my opinion.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Nativism/Immigration

Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by charlieboy49:

Shouldn’t immigrants gain citizenship before they come into our country?

When you have worked out a sane way of doing that, please do let us know.

They have programs giving visas to immigrants before they enter the country. It seems to me that if you aren’t a citizen of a country or have permission to be in that country, you should not be in that country.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Nativism/Immigration

Because they shouldn’t have been here in the first place.