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Topic: Serious Discussion / hackers need to go

You probably know the person who’s doing this personally or online.

Real hackers do not bother getting into your kongregate account, there is nothing to gain.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Quote Discussion, Current quote: “Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm.”

Wasn’t this quote endorsed by Steve Jobs in his earlier years, the ex-CEO of apple, the company known for suing a shitload of people and companies for copyright reasons?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Factchecker websites: Yea or Nay?

A site that defines for other people what is correct or incorrect, in a country that can’t think for itself? Gee, I wonder how that could possibly go wrong.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Amanda Todd

Originally posted by tenco1:
Originally posted by Sharangir:

You do know that TheAmazingAtheist is a troll, right?

What makes you say that, did he make a video, or something about it?

Because his “thing” is shouting over topics while misrepresenting them, as an attempt to anger the people who are interested in the topic.

Just a heads up: I haven’t seen his video that was linked in this topic, because I have no sound at the moment, so I am not aware of any arguments he’s presenting in the video. But I will come back on this particular video when I watch it, so I can perhaps even point out some of the misrepresenting/inaccuracies. (Because you don’t have to take my word for it)

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Amanda Todd

Originally posted by OmegaDoom:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-qgARGjT6s

You do know that TheAmazingAtheist is a troll, right?

Originally posted by Pulsaris:
Originally posted by Sharangir:

Hey, lets all blame the victim who got coerced into sending nude pictures and then got her life ruined by having the pictures spread around to the extent that she didn’t want to live anymore! Oh wait, you guys are already doing that, good.


She could have become a nude star, but she chose suicide. Its her own choice, though. Yes, her OWN choice. Sending in pictures of her boobs is also her OWN choice, so she should bear with the consequences.


EDIT: Although some argues that education can be better, I think there’s something more out there if a teenager DOES NOT understand common sense. Others should not pay for her own stupidity. Think about the coroners! They might have to work overtime and miss their family dinner. Now her own stress becomes everybody’s stress. Selfish bitch.

Giving my money when someone points a gun at me is also my own choice.

I said it before, and I’ll say it again: Stop trolling in serious discussion.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Amanda Todd

Hey, lets all blame the victim who got coerced into sending nude pictures and then got her life ruined by having the pictures spread around to the extent that she didn’t want to live anymore! Oh wait, you guys are already doing that, good.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / OH MY GOD. IS THIS REAL.

No, it’s not real. Slenderman is an invention by Victor Surge during a photoshop contest on the Something Awful forums, they later created a whole story around him including more photoshopped pictures and even a shaky camera video project called Marble Hornets. It then later spread on sites like 4chan’s /x/.

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / AX: On the Hermeneutics of Vernacular Quantum Gravity

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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is It Cruel to Snare Small Animals...

Originally posted by JohnnyBeGood:
Originally posted by Sharangir:

Hunting animals for your own plate is less cruel than letting others breed hundreds of thousands of animals / year for mass-slaughter so you don’t have to think about the slaughter.

Depends on how the animals are taken care of and how the slaughtering is done. Most types of hunting involve causing the animal lots of mental trauma and physical pain before killing it.

And? How the animal is killed is pretty irrelevant, how it lives is the important part. Living free and having the unfortunate event of being caught by a hunter is a lot better than living in a concentration camp your whole life, destined to be slaughtered.

But we are also destroying/have destroyed their biotope by build expansion, deforestation, water & noise & air polution.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Qoutue: Obama Has Swag And Romney Is Bully

Wrong subforum.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is It Cruel to Snare Small Animals...

Hunting animals for your own plate is less cruel than letting others breed hundreds of thousands of animals / year for mass-slaughter so you don’t have to think about the slaughter.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election

I’m always voting for the christian imperialist nationalist capitalist.

…Oh wait, there are no other candidates.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Countries That Should not be Countries?

Originally posted by Pulsaris:

You can see that many independence movements are based on language differences, like Catalonia, Tibet, or Quebec.

They have actual political reasons. Catalonia, Tibet, Quebec… hell even scotland independence movements are backed up by people who are not pleased (to say the least ;D) with their government and hope that splitting will give them a government that they are actually pleased with. But that seems to me like ignoring the nature of representative “democracy”. Which is highly influential rich people trying to make their neo-liberal and conservative policies sound popular and getting away with it. (Or in Tibet’s case move towards a caste-system dictatorship.)

PS: You forgot to elaborate.

Originally posted by OmegaDoom:

i disagree that there’s no such thing as local cultures. just because we are developing something of a global culture, doesn’t mean local cultures disappear. Americans for instance have a national culture, but also more local cultures. in fact, so do the Dutch.
it’s not mutually exclusive.
and nationalism is on the rise again, and very strong in Flanders. which means what you’re saying patently false. you may feel that way, but many people don’t. why do you think nationalism is so popular in Flanders? it ain’t coincidence…

Oh come on, waving a flag isn’t a culture.

And why is it popular? Because people are stupid and don’t read about politics, history or economics, so they accept propaganda as truth.

why did you think Dutch people rejected the EU constitution? because we’re Dutch, not European. and in fact, most Dutch people don’t even identify as Dutch, but as Limburger or Achterhoeker or so.

We weren’t even allowed to vote on that. :)

There’s also many logical reasons to oppose a EU-wide constitution, but identity isn’t one imo, that’s an appeal to emotion.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Countries That Should not be Countries?

Originally posted by OmegaDoom:

outsiders don’t care much, but Belgians often feel tension about being one country with people they don’t feel any cultural ties to, so they kinda want it and don’t want it at the same time.

I feel this one is entirely made up by media and politicians so people will support the pro-separatist agenda. There is no different culture in Flanders and Wallonia. We live in a time of world-culture. Everyone listens to different music, everyone likes different visual art, everyone eats various foods, everyone goes out to different places. And this concept is bigger than ever with the rise of the internet. There is no Flemish or Walloon Culture anymore, so there is no culture difference either. I frankly don’t think the people would really care either, if only the politicians constantly portrayed in the media stopped saying those one-liners.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Attention all vegans and vegitarians!!

Originally posted by EPR89:

I said it before and I’ll say it again: you should read up on the definition of rape.
Rape is intercourse against someone’s will often by using force and it usually results in a psychological trauma. None of that applies here.

Sex against the subjects will? I’m pretty sure all of that applies when you have to lock em up in a rack so they can’t resist.

Originally posted by vikaTae:

You need to show how it is against the cow’s will. EPR has provided evidence to suggest it is really not against the cow’s will, as the cow does not care what goes on back there.

If the cows don’t care, then why do they need to lock the cows up in a rack before they do it? Gee, I wonder why… probably because they do care and will resist.


Thus it is up to you, and Sharangir, to disprove this, and show how it traumatizes the cow, laying your evidence on the table.

It’s only rape when it’s traumatizing? You’d make a great US politician.

Originally posted by dd790:

Sex against the female (or males in some species) will happens often in nature, and also a female animals primary role in furthering the species is to breed with the best male they can find, all that humans selectively breeding cattle does is cut out the cows need to search as only the best bulls are used in breeding.

Females constantly reject males in nature, especially during mating season. So, nice try.

Humans could not live on the sort of basic plant matter that we feed to cattle. Cows are herbivores and highly evolved to make full use of very basic plant matter, they have a number of stomachs and have microbes in their digestive system that can more fully break down the cellulose. Humans have no such microbes and can only partially use matter heavy in cellulose, it is used more as a filler to keep digestion moving than a source of nutrition.

On a side note if you are suggesting we start to eat these feed crops what happens to the existing livestock? We don’t need them any more and we are not going to carry on supplying them food if there is nothing in it for us so do we just kill them all and leave their meat to waste or do we set them ‘free’ in the habitat that will not cope to well with such a large new introduction

Are you really that thickheaded? You don’t have to kill off the existing animals, you can fade out. We are the ones forcefully mass-producing the animals! Just stop mass-producing animals, it’s that simple.

No more mass-producing of animals, no more need to allocate space for their food, you can use the food that we want for us, and you can allocate the space for other food that we want. Tons of food being produced to feed the animals throughout their life-time so we can have 1ton of meat on our plates is inefficient anyway.

We all are talking about a diet, that is the whole point of the thread that the human diet is omnivorous and some people object to that, hence the thread.

But we lack the main thing that is required to eat meat… claws or a proper jaw. If you manage to kill animals without using tools, and eat it without tools(so no cooking either), be my guest.

Of course I eat meat and vegetables in every meal, and as you say it is part of a balanced diet. The hard part about removing the meat and replacing it is that you have to actually know what to replace it with and how much is needed to replace it. In a world where people hardly stay healthy taking the easy path of eating meat I really don’t see people managing to actually work out a healthy diet based on legumes and other replacements.

Good grief you are ignorant. If eating meat is so healthy, and switching to the previously mentioned foods is unhealthy, then why do nutrition and fitness consultants tell people to switch over to the protein-rich foods I previously mentioned? And then why is the US, who eats the most meat and dairy products(especially cheese) out of all the countries, also considered the most unhealthy?

Those things are often more expensive than meat

Supply&demand, silly, this fixes itself.

(and it is much more complicated to put a meal together with the full nutrition of a meal containing meat using those products. I’m sure you’ll tell me how easy it is once you do the research and get used to it but simply put people will take the easy path in the majority of cases and they will see it alot easier to just use meat they are used to than new ingredients.

My mommy told me to eat these foods and these foods only, and change is bad :((((

Just because you and I are lucky enough to have internet access and a fully stocked supermarket a quick car ride away does not mean everyone is. Cost and availability are big issues in this debate, feeding cows plant matter that is useless to humans so they grow into a meat that is useful is perhaps the only source of proteins for some who don’t have supermarkets or the space to farm legumes and other replacements

What are some of these magic crops that are grown for animals that are useless for us?

Also, supermarkets… the place where food comes from!

Cost and availability are self-adjusting concepts due to supply&demand.

You seem desperate to say that anyone who eats meat doesn’t care about animals or even derives some sort of pleasure from their deaths, this is not true. I am educated in a conservation degree, work my spare time at a local animal charity for free and I am active in trying to change the world to be better for animals.

That’s good. But you still buy into the whole meat industry, making you jointly responsible for the mass-slaughter of animals and rape of dairy animals. Companies cater to your demands, the bigger the sales market, the more mass-slaughter.

Problem is that to actually change things you can’t just scream at people and insult them till they change, you need to actually research what you are campaigning for, and then present your point in a rational and balanced way. People who don’t fully understand what they are fighting for and do so in an irrational way are actually harmful to the cause for which they try to fight.

People who look for ways to excuse rape deserve to be insulted.

Making emotional and irrational actions or campaigns without thinking of the consequences is what lead to the mink from pelt farms being freed. The mink were being kept and farmed for their pelts so animal rights morons activists thought this was cruel and freed many of them from their torture. Problem is the people who did this were not scientists, environmentalists or ecologists, they were just people who decided that the mink should be happy and free in the wild, and it worked great for the mink, they are very happy in the wild where they have devastated the native wildlife ever since

So you’re blaming the actions of the pelt farms on the activists who freed them? Cool stuff. Might I remind you who mass-bred the minks? Don’t fuck with nature in the first place.

Point of the story is that if you don’t truly think out the consequences of the action you are proposing then it should not be carried out. Humans are omnivorous, we have evolved to live off plants and animals. Yes if you eat the right plants you can cut out the animals, I have never suggested being a vegan is not possible for people like you and me who live close to supplies of any food stuff we desire, all I am saying is that cutting meat out of our food stores suddenly and fully would not work as many people wouldn’t know where to look for proteins outside of meat and it would leave a huge gap in food stores that animal feed cannot fill as we cannot digest it as fully as ruminants can.

Try and hunt food without tools plx.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Countries That Should not be Countries?

Originally posted by Pulsaris:

EDIT: Actually, I am harsh because I don’t like hateful 15-year-old Skepchick… well, you get my point.

No, I don’t get your point, please elaborate.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Vigilantes - good or bad?

Originally posted by Darkruler2005:

I don’t think it’s fair to say the two (government law enforcement and vigilantes) are on equal ground. You’ll only want the “good” vigilantes, not the bad ones.

Well, same goes for government. I also only want the good governments. Unfortunately, I’m forced to live under systems I do not support, that are shared among all of the major countries in the world.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Attention all vegans and vegitarians!!

Originally posted by EPR89:

Newsflash: the majority of the human population does not live in countries that have similar opportunities to the US.

If you would finally bring up an argument that would show how what we do to animals is rape that isn’t instantly countered by a better one and maybe didn’t resorted to name calling everytime someone disagrees with you, I might just agree with you.
You plant rapist, you!

What part about putting the female in a rack so she can’t move followed by forcible penetration and impregnating is not rape?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Countries That Should not be Countries?

Originally posted by Pulsaris:
Originally posted by Sharangir:

But all you ignorant people care about is some silly yellow&black flag. Wake the fuck up, there’s more important things in the world.

What is this “more important” thing then, Sharangir the almighty?

You really can’t think of anything more important than a silly flag? How about everything else?

How about making sure the separatists don’t abolish social security? How about making sure that the separatists don’t turn our country into a tax paradise that ends up fucking over the workers? How about making sure that the separatists don’t get rid of democracy and turns it into a fascist version of Vox Populi where the leader represent’s the people’s voice but the actual people’s voice does not matter? How about making sure that the separatists don’t turn our cities in a police state, where people have no privacy, everyone lives in fear and crime is punished thoroughly while the main cause of crime, wealth disparity, is still there and bigger than ever?

Do you really think the separation of Belgium is their goal? No, it is a means to get to their goal. Maybe you should check what company positions those politicians have, it’ll give you an idea to which interests they represent. Or didn’t you know that they have other jobs besides campaigning for office?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Countries That Should not be Countries?

Originally posted by Aikaaa:
Originally posted by Sharangir:
Originally posted by Ivan62300:

I don’t like the idea of the EU. If you’re taking away a nation’s currency, you’re taking away their culture. If you’re taking away a culture, you’re forming an empire.

What a bunch of nonsense, money is a tool, nothing more.

Same for Belgium, there is only one problem in Belgium: We have too much governments and we have too much stupid people that think a name and flag is the most important thing ever, so they buy in into silly propaganda of politicians that want to get rid of our social security and turn our country into a tax paradise for the rich. They have succesfully convinced the north of the country to vote for them, but the south of the country still votes Social Democrat and they oppose these changes. So they try to split the country so they can apply the changes without the south’s opposition.

Belgium really does seem like it should be split up. Flanders can become part of the Netherlands again and Wallonia with France or Germany, and have Brussels as its own jurisdiction since it’s the EU capital.

Brussels already has its own jurisdiction. And Flanders & Wallonia would never willingly go with Netherlands & France respectively because the issue is not a language issue, we live in the 21st century ffs, we have the means to transcend language barriers with technology and interpreters.
It’s a so-called culture issue propagated by the media and political propaganda claiming that Flemish people and Walloon people are so different. But Flemish people can’t stand Dutch people and Walloon people can’t stand French people. You’d have the same artificial problems we have now.

Originally posted by Pulsaris:

“Leve Belgie” is such an old song, eh?

Good luck, lest your country become another Spain.

Yawn. Ford already said the sales market for Belgium is too small, good luck having no company wanting to settle down in your tiny Flanders because the sales market is too small.

But all you ignorant people care about is some silly yellow&black flag. Wake the fuck up, there’s more important things in the world.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Attention all vegans and vegitarians!!

Originally posted by EPR89:
Originally posted by Sharangir:
Originally posted by EPR89:
With what should people replace it who do not have an easy access to these substitutes?

Substitutes? They’re not substitutes, they’re just food that contain the stuff you need without the extra calories and unhealthy cholesterol that meat has. Ever heard of supply&demand?

Great.
So what about people who don’t have access to that?

Who??!!! You have access to the internet, you can be damn sure you have access to ALL of the previously mentioned items.


And why should I stop eating meat if my digestive system has no real problem with using it, I simply like it and my family has no history of those meat-eating related diseases?

Yeah.. why should you? I mean, we just had a whole thread about why you shouldn’t.

See, the problem is that I have not heard an argument that convinced me that eating meat is so much worse that I should turn vegan/vegetarian.

Who gives a shit. If you don’t care about animals being put in concentration camps for slaughter&rape, then your desires and opinions clearly do not matter either.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Vigilantes - good or bad?

Originally posted by EPR89:

Sources would be nice.

Have you been living under a rock? Here’s some of the more recent stuff, I’m sure you can find more if you actually bother searching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLOESazVHL4

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/26/golden-dawn-infiltrated-greek-police-claims

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-20105881

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvKAE8YHPT8 (turn on captions)

http://wsws.org/articles/2012/oct2012/pers-o23.shtml

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2012/10/24/parliament-lifts-golden-dawn-mps-immunity/

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion-read-aloud-in-greek-parliament-1.472552

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Amanda Todd

Originally posted by MyTie:
Originally posted by Twilight_Ninja:Is that right? I think, if this is the case, it’s because the definition of “conservative” keeps evolving. Suppose the last couple generations did not grow up with seatbelts and gay marriage. Introduction of these things might seem “liberal” to them and make them look conservative to a new generation. Likewise, something new that comes up in 50 years might look very (liberal? progressive? uncomfortable?) to this generation, but would be fine with the new generation.

That is true, to an extent. Social issues do evolve. However, the illusion of using government to “help” socially and economically, has remained a bulwark of liberalism for as long as I’ve been aware of. Even ancient Romans were divided into two classes based on what government should provide. That also doesn’t explain why it’s taken several generations for these social issues to evolve, but each generation becomes more conservative as it ages. There are very strong indicators that the people’s individual beliefs change as they age, and they change to be more conservative. People just grow up, and drop the naive idea that they are going to change the world and use government to do it. They finally realize that government is a bloated bureaucratic leach, not this glimmering angel of compassion they once believed it to be.

Or they can actually read a book or two about socialism or anarchism and stop spouting bullshit.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Attention all vegans and vegitarians!!

Originally posted by EPR89:

With what would you replace it? You said it is easy. So, shoot!

With other food? Some examples of protein sources: wheat, soy (the proper products), seitan, wholesome nuts, beans(garbanzo, black, kidney,…), lentils, peas(black-eyed, split,…), flax seeds.

With what should people replace it who do not have an easy access to these substitutes?

Substitutes? They’re not substitutes, they’re just food that contain the stuff you need without the extra calories and unhealthy cholesterol that meat has. Ever heard of supply&demand?

And why should I stop eating meat if my digestive system has no real problem with using it, I simply like it and my family has no history of those meat-eating related diseases?

Yeah.. why should you? I mean, we just had a whole thread about why you shouldn’t.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Countries That Should not be Countries?

Originally posted by Ivan62300:

I don’t like the idea of the EU. If you’re taking away a nation’s currency, you’re taking away their culture. If you’re taking away a culture, you’re forming an empire.

What a bunch of nonsense, money is a tool, nothing more.

Same for Belgium, there is only one problem in Belgium: We have too much governments and we have too much stupid people that think a name and flag is the most important thing ever, so they buy in into silly propaganda of politicians that want to get rid of our social security and turn our country into a tax paradise for the rich. They have succesfully convinced the north of the country to vote for them, but the south of the country still votes Social Democrat and they oppose these changes. So they try to split the country so they can apply the changes without the south’s opposition.