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Topic: Serious Discussion / Christians and Atheists have one thing in common.

Both PREACH too much and think that anyone thinking otherwise is DOOMED, for whatever reason.
Yup, narrow-mindedness at its most obvious.
(And I’m NEITHER, thus I’m qualified to express a third-party opinion.)

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The Bombing Of Gaza

Yes, Jan, the Jews are out there to GET YOU!!!
BEWARE!!!

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

Crow
Given that we see but a FRACTION of our TOTAL (multi-world, OR even this world) life – we can’t be so sure to call ANY event “bad” or “good”.
There are plenty of realistic parables and real stories that make “bad” look extremely “good”.
Let’s just bring a couple of simple examples:
1. A guy broke his leg and was forced to miss Titanic – the leg healed, the Titanic sunk.
2. A guy was hit by a car and spent 9/11 in the hospital instead of the Twins – he was discharged the next day, but he “missed the plane”.
GOOD or BAD?
Don’t be too hasty to answer, do THINK about it.
Not every BAD thing that happens is actually ultimately BAD even on an obvious level – so much more so about things we DON’T have any idea about happening.
Like a thug catching a cold and not going to his “job” of robbing you, or your car not igniting for 5 more seconds that end up with you NOT hitting that truck, etc.
We typically don’t pay attention to (or plain don’t even KNOW about) these things – but that’s perfectly understandable, cause WE obviously don’t see the WHOLE picture.
But there is Someone Who DOES – and therefore He is perfectly able to manipulate the details that WE are UNAWARE of, so that the GENERAL plan goes in the right “GOOD” direction.
The only question that remains is, “why is there suffering at all”.
Well, this is a legitimate question, yet there IS a legitimate answer to this too, a two-part one actually:
1. He knows better – sorry, but that’s what you get when actually talking about an omniscient entity.
2. There’s plenty of prophesies of a BETTER world that shall ensue eventually – and I’m literally talking about OUR PHYSICAL world becoming PURIFIED of all “bad” stuff.
Yes, so far it doesn’t look like there’s any progress – but we also know that we can’t SEE it as well.
But there is a clear promise and there are plenty of past hints that it WILL be fulfilled.
Let’s just hope it will be SOON.

juan
Thanks, good one.

karma
I think I mentioned this before, but according to the Jewish world view, humanity STARTED being aware of God, thus there’s zero contradiction in there being all those various religions – since they all are merely anachronisms of the time when EVERYONE knew about God.
Well, the ultimate goal for this world is to simply return to that state of “the knowledge of God covering the Earth like waters cover the ocean bed”.

xcon
Well, Adam the First Man clearly knew God – so why wouldn’t his descendants have some (fractured) memories of that idea?
It’s just that only a specific group (no, not Jews yet; I’m talking about those who were Noah’s predecessors and descendants, ending with Abraham the First Jew) retained that knowledge FULLY.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

tg

I think you misunderstood me.
If we were able to SEE the IMMEDIATE punishment and reward, we would just “do business” with God, instead of being honest and making personal choices out of (dis)belief.
The ONLY reason that there is crime (despite the punishments being obvious and known), is that humans RELY on other humans’ INABILITY to CATCH them “dirty handed”.
But God is omniscient/omnipresent – thus you CAN’T “hide” from Him.
If we actually saw at least ONCE a strict cause-effect situation where punishment was delivered immediately after a sin (or reward given and explained immediately after a virtuous deed) – we would choose NOT to sin for the simplest human logic based reason:
“If I sin, then I’ll be 100% punished by God, cause I can’t hide from Him. And if I fulfill my obligations, I will be 100% rewarded, so why bother sinning to begin with?”
Imagine having cameras 24/7/365 all over your house with no blind spots, directly connected to a police station with uninterrupted surveillance and 100% honest cops that can’t be bribed nor ever rest during working hours.
Even under such HUMANLY POSSIBLE conditions, you’d be pretty “tempted” to NOT commit crimes for the simple reason of immediately getting caught and sentenced by an equally honest and knowledgeable judge.
That’s a very SIMPLIFIED example of how our life is under God’s surveillance, except that WE don’t know or see this.
But IF we knew – we would NEVER sin the same way we would NEVER commit crimes under such circumstances.
Well, not any SANE person, that is.
Cause only an insane person can’t overcome his temptation to do something that will SURELY harm him big time.
Btw, the reason that people can’t quit smoking is pretty similar – you DON’T SEE the actual results it does to you.
But IF you could see the damage on the cellular level and in real time – I bet that most people would quit on the spot.
And those who wouldn’t, are simply too addicted to smoking already, which is not exactly the situation in my example, cause it would be knowing the truth from the start, not at some point later on after getting already addicted to sins (as far as my example goes).

Again, we don’t know.
If we knew, there would be no POINT to reward us for BELIEVING.
You can only BELIEVE in something you have no CERTAIN proof of – but you CAN have HINTS, like we actually DO (and that’s pretty much my point too).
After all, that’s what we were given FREE Choice – to decide OURSELVES, what is TRUE and what is NOT.
Each of us makes their own decisions therefore.

Wrong to a degree.
There’s no LOGICAL disconcert with there being a Creator.
The simplest answer is that science and human logic are limited (and even atheists know that, I’m sure) – by quite a number of parameters:
Human mortality and relatively short life span (for empirical proofs); the fact that my logic isn’t the same as yours (which in itself is a logical conclusion of each of our logics being limited); the fact we rely on way too much extrapolations in comparison to empiricism when it comes to science (empirical science is “provable” through human experience, non-empirical science is merely “believed in” and thus much less reliable); etc.
As the result, we are logically bound to conclude that we are UNABLE to DECIDE whether the is a Creator through logical means only.
At least when it comes to a extra-physical extra-worldly Creator, unlike any other alternatives (including FSM, lol) which CAN be (dis)proven through LOGIC itself (coupled with experience and experiments).
God CAN’T – His existence lies purely in the area of BELIEF and TRADITION, not SCIENCE.
Again, at least when we are talking about the monotheistic omni-everything God, not some “old guy on the cloud” like primitive Soviet atheists thought (I referring to Gagarin saying that “he didn’t meet God up there”, lol).

Thanks you too. :)

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

vika
LOL, you have no idea how LOL that sounds in this context, really.

jan
CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED

Gotta go AND I’m tired of this pointless “talk”.
Byebye.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

Atheists (or rather make it ‘religion-bashers’) are always up to blaming God for everything, but never to look deeper into OUR behavior.
In other words, God is to be blamed for all and every problem in the world, yet WE are so pure and blamelessly perfect…
So typical, so futile to argue with…

So not worth my time and energy.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

thi
I can clearly see the misunderstanding that it very popular by those who aren’t personally involved with religion much.
They seem to feel that they’re inherently good, so “why do we need a religion to tell us to behave, if we can do it ourselves”.
The problem here is, like I keep saying, we AREN’T living in a “religion-free” world or culture – quite on the contrary, it has been so ingrained into our everyday life that we use “religious concepts” by the dozens without even REALIZING it.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

jan
Adam was the first human, AND he was personally given exactly those “don’t kill and steal”s – including “to believe in God”.
Which were later repeated to Noah, who (ah, surprise, surprise) was again a global patriarch.
No wonder that THEIR DESCENDANTS follow THEIR MORAL code’s basics.
You keep forgetting that Abraham didn’t INVENT monotheism – he just ADVERTISED it in a world that FORGOT about God.
But there still WERE separate few people who KNEW the truth themselves (for example, Shem son of Noah, whom Abraham personally met under the name of “Malkitzedek of Shalem”).
That’s quite a difference.

No ETERNAL Hell, Mr. “I can’t read well”.
There obviously IS a purgatory.
(OK, it IS said that VERY FEW evildoers were actually punished for ETERNAL suffering, but these are literally on one hand’s fingers to count. NORMAL people don’t get this bad EVER.)
And no ALMIGHTY King of Hell aka Satan either – he’s just one of the angels (NOT a “fallen rebel” at all).
His JOB is to make trouble for HUMANS (and then ACCUSE them in the Supernal Court) – but he’s totally under God’s rule.
Judaism is totally devoid of dualistic tendencies, unlike…

thi
Didn’t you see the “1000/2000/3000 years” part?
ALL of those “3-4 generations of atheists” ALSO grew up in a CULTURE that is based upon “don’t kill nor steal”.
And see above too.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

thi
You obviously forget that YOU were raised in the “Judeo-Christian” CULTURE to begin with, where these values are ALREADY the BASIS of the SOCIETY.
Your moral code is NOT yours, it’s your parents’ and their parents’ etc – back to 1000 or 2000 or 3000 years ago where THEIR parents were educated that “you shall not murder or steal”.
The only true “personal moral code” could be seen by a Mowgly/Tarzan – cause only they would NOT be raised in a HUMAN CULTURE.
That’s the stupidest atheistic excuse that “I’m a good man even without religion”.
You probably are a decent person – but you AREN’T “outside of religious influence zone”.
Also, even people who DO have nice personal traits – still need to know how to APPLY them.
To NOT “be merciful to villains and cruel to victims”, which is a possible case when your morals are YOURS and only YOURS, based on YOUR personal tastes.
Best example:
If a judge would base his verdicts on his own PERSONAL moral code, he’d be very prone to misjudge crooks with regretful faces (who are merely good actors), while condemning innocents that had a bad morning (and behave angrily because of it).
Maybe oversimplified, but it still clearly shows that a PERSONAL moral code is prone to mistakes, whereas a moral code made by the CREATOR (this being the KEY point here) is not prone to mistakes for the simplest reason of being made ACCORDINGLY to the human nature (and thus enabling to judge it from the right angle).

There’s only ONE God for everyone.
You’d be surprised how many people find Him OUTSIDE of “religion” – and how many lose Him “inside”.
This is heavily still a matter of choice – if you believe there IS a Higher Force, you’ll search for it and eventually find SOME answer.
But if you think you’re your own master – you’re very prone to eventual disappointment of how much you AREN’T.

And it’s not a test, it’s a gift.
But in order to benefit from it, one has to invest oneself too.
Just imagine being gifted an entire gym just for your use.
If you’re NOT lazy, you’ll work out for days, weeks and even years – and eventually you’ll be healthy and stronger than ever.
But if you ARE lazy, no amount of gyms OWNED will make you lose a pound of extra weight or grow a pound of extra muscles – the gym WON’T work out by itself FOR of you, UNLESS you invest into it.
The same goes for spirituality:
You won’t benefit much from “being born into the right religion”, if you’re resisting the spirituality that is being placed in front of you.
God can’t be (easily) found through spiritual osmosis – you need to actually seek Him to find Him.
That’s not a 100% scenario, cause there are endless ways a person can find God in one’s life – but if you actually search for the real answer, it will be much more pleasant for you exactly because of the effort you spent on it.
Going agnostic isn’t the smartest thing to do.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

thi
How then would we KNOW what’s “good” and what’s “bad”?
Now we DO – but we’re free to simply IGNORE it as “obsolete” or “fairy tales” or “I know better”.
This still doesn’t mean we WEREN’T WARNED and EDUCATED.
We just CHOSE to IGNORE this – precisely like a child crossing the street on the red light, despite being told NOT to for 9000 times (maybe even including a graphic explanation of WHY).
Still, a child is prone to disregard logic on a whim of his childish wants.
That’s pretty much the reason that we ALL misbehave – we’re being spiritually naughty children.

vika
There’s only eternal REWARD.
Eternal punishment either doesn’t exist, or it means simply being destroyed.
There’s NO Hell with roasted sinners in JUDAISM – nor is there any ALMIGHTY Satan the Hell Ruler either.
That’s purely a DUALISTIC (as in, TWO antagonistic “major gods”) idea that crept into Christianity (and it seems also Islam) from older pagan religions, sorry to bring bad news to you.
In Judaism, God is responsible for EVERYTHING – even what we PERCEIVE as “evil”.
That DOESN’T make God “evil” – but rather shows that there’s TRULY “nothing but Him”.
And after all, “good” and “evil” CAN be a matter of one’s view – just look at the simple rain:
It’s “good” for the crops and nature in general, but it’s “bad” for the human travelers caught in it.
But when it comes to actual MORAL definitions, only something that is decided by an “outsider” (or the CREATOR) can be objectively “good” or “bad” – the rest will inevitably be influenced by one’s personal gain and emotional attitude towards it.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The Bombing Of Gaza

Thanks for the name change.

The rest is futile and irrelevant…

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / The Bombing Of Gaza

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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

tghrr
I’m glad to get an equally polite “nonreligious” answer. :)
Can you be more specific about what you disagree with me about?
Not what you don’t BELIEVE in (as in, what is axiomatic to you any other way than me) – but what you DISAGREE with (as in, see it differently through human logic).
Thanks.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / I have a religious obligation to wear a colander on my head!

I don’t hate atheism.
I hate idiotic excuses like “I’m more intelligent than you, because my religion is science, and your includes a non-scientific God”.
That’s my entire point here and everywhere.
Now, dink is cia.

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / An interpretation of God

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Topic: Serious Discussion / I have a religious obligation to wear a colander on my head!

Jan, I bet you that I can make you fail a quiz on Judaism in a wink.
So, be careful with calling someone “ignorant” – you might be called up on it yourself.
After all, there are TWO informational sides here – and you apparently are only familiar with ONE (while I’m more familiar with the OTHER).
Which obviously doesn’t make you more capable of MUTUALLY COMPATIBLE (to both sides) conclusions than me.
I’d even bet the opposite.
And simply shrugging the other info side as “fairy tales” is very unscientific for the very reason that “science” itself had undergone enough crucial changes that include making a lot of its prior statements into “fairy tales” for the more modern science.
So who are you to decide what tomorrow’s science will be capable of knowing – and maybe it’ll call all what you today see for dogma, “fairy tales”.
You have no way to know it, so don’t be so sure of yourself.

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / An interpretation of God

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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

tghrr
An easy to say but difficult to accept answer:
True Free Choice.
If righteous people were invariably rewarded, and evil people invariably punished – we wouldn’t have a CHOICE between being invariably rewarded and invariably punished.
Not any SANE person at least.
But since we see righteous people suffering and evil people living happily – we DO have a CHOICE to be either, because we can’t be SURE.
That’s still doesn’t even remotely “prove” that there is no Judge – just that WE are made UNAWARE of how He judges.
But given the axiom of there being ANOTHER world (Paradise and/or World to come) and/or ANOTHER lives (reincarnation) – we CAN assume that the righteous people will EVENTUALLY get rewarded enough to make their prior suffering forgotten, and the evil people will be either destroyed with no trace left or punished for everything they had done throughout all of their lives.
Still, since we FEEL as if we only live once, we do have a CHOICE to choose whether to believe in “extended life” (and thus act accordingly) or NOT (and thus act accordingly).
But even that isn’t ALL yet.
Additionally, if we believe that there is a Just and Omniscient Creator Who made us with some purpose and then gave us specific rules for OUR benefit – we will see those rules as inherently GOOD, even if OUR LOGIC tells us otherwise.
After all, since when are we smarter than our Creator?
But, again, there are plenty of “reasons” to NOT believe in a Creator (or in His goodness, or omniscience, or whatever) – and those who DON’T, can bring up plenty of “back up” (including jokes like FSM).
But that’s exactly the point:
To be able to FREELY CHOOSE our own destiny and course in life.
Thus, we can only blame our own CHOICES for the end result of our life, including while still HERE.
Again, there are plenty of “logical excuses” to NOT believe in God – but there are plenty of logical reasons to NOT be so hasty about this either.
It just boils down to one’s CHOICE

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The Bombing Of Gaza

Just a note.
This topic is STILL called:
“The evil occupant Jews are bombing the poor innocent Palestinians.”
No polite comments to add…

 

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Topic: Serious Discussion / I have a religious obligation to wear a colander on my head!

tenco
I’m not that sure that the ancient pagans were that idiotically stupid to actually BELIEVE that these stones and wood chunks had ANY real power.
Nope, the REAL reason for paganism is that it allows for the lowliest desires to be “excused through religion”.
That’s why we see paganism juxtaposed with orgies and lewdness – because it’s what “allows” it on “official” (“religious”) basis, whereas the monotheistic ideas mostly require self-restraint and modesty (of different kinds).
But that’s exactly what “atheism” is all about – to let the HUMAN decide one’s own limits in modesty and self-restraint, in other words – to REMOVE those at one’s whim.
Pretty much like in that quote from somewhere:
“I’m the master of my word – I’m free to give it, but I can take it back whenever I want, too.”
You can argue for as long as you want – but that’s what it actually is.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / I have a religious obligation to wear a colander on my head!

Cool.
Perfectly proves that “atheism” is really just modern paganism, with a somewhat funny “idol” nonetheless.
Not that we didn’t know it before.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / God is fake.

jan
I think you were regurgitated by aliens.
Now go disprove THAT.
You’ll be as much “able” to do so, as your idiotic demands from me.
Like I said, you CAN’T (dis)prove God through “scientific” means, for the same reason you can’t explain the difference between “red” and “green” to a blind person.
Even if you use wave-length differences, you still will be unable to make them SEE the difference.
That’s pretty much the same when it comes to those attempts to “measure” God through science.
Equally impossible and futile from the start.
But if you could make the blind SEE – you COULD tell them which of what they SEE is “red” and which is “green”.
The same here – when a person actually is open to the idea of God being in his life, he’ll be able to also actually SEE it with his own “eyes”, aka logic and feelings.
But not before that.

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / The Bombing Of Gaza

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Topic: Serious Discussion / The Bombing Of Gaza

thi
I obviously meant the LOCALS.
Do try it, THEN we can talk.

jan
I very recently had a talk with an Israeli.
He also was surprised as to why am I focusing on terrorism so much – cause he also doesn’t worry about it.
I agree – which has nothing to do with me hating Hamas for being deliberate murderers.
End of story.

Thanks God there IS God.
There rest will settle down eventually.
You can only hope that your favorite Pals will still exist by then.
Cause Israel and Jews definitely WILL.
Despite ALL the efforts to destroy them.
The END.