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Topic: GemCraft Labyrinth / gemcraft 2

Pretty cool.

Topic: GemCraft Labyrinth / gemcraft 2

I desperately need Doc Brown…
Can’t wait to play the game…

Topic: Serious Discussion / Legendary creatures

Originally posted by Retneug:

Trolls are real :D

+1.000.000.000

OR SIMPLY

Over 9000!!!

Topic: Serious Discussion / When will the world end?

1. Yesterday.
2. We’re in a Matrix. The world never existed.
3. Neve

Topic: GemCraft Labyrinth / gemcraft 2

Finally we DO get something for replaying levels.
Cause I somewhat dislike the “you only get the max xp counted in” idea.
There are many other similar games, where you DO progress by replaying older levels.
This is true grinding, whilst here it’s kinda unfair – you must always get better, but your (failed) efforts aren’t even appreciated.

Topic: Serious Discussion / Biblical View of Creation

MyTie
You mention MANY ideas on the first page, that I highly agree with – as a religious rational person.
Most of them I’ve said before, more than once in many cases.
But all this is still pointless UNTIL “both sides” understand ONE simple thing:
If you trust/believe something – everything can become “logical” to fit it (if you at least can make “logical chains” from the data).
But if you don’t – nothing will ever be considered “logical”, despite any amount of “logical chains” that OTHERS will provide you.
This is why I always say that science IS “religion”, in the sense of “intentionally filtering accepted data to formulate one’s world view”.
That is, if you believe that science answers all questions – you won’t accept anything “unscientific”.
And if you believe that your religion answers all questions – no amount of “scientific” stuff will make you change your mind.
BOTH attitudes are EQUAL and of the SAME origin – “I believe in what I chose to consider to be believable previously”.
This can change in time (for a zillion of reasons, yet all of them come from within YOU, not from the outside per se), but at any given moment – it works 100%.

Let there be flaming… :D

Topic: GemCraft Labyrinth / gemcraft 2

Makes me await the actual game even more!

Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

vika
I explained it once before:
I’m talking about the FUTURE spiritual revelation, when it WILL be objectively obvious (“the eyes of all flesh shall see their Creator”) – in a physical sense (how exactly, we shall see when it happens).
Which isn’t NOW.
Nothing to do with science.
But you’re probably the wrong person to be told this, as you have weird look on spirituality, somewhat.

Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

EPR
I believe there is plenty of personal evidence, but none objective (in the sense DR is using the word, I’d disagree with him, by using it in the sense of “obvious to all, even if unrepeatable”, aka mostly historical or personal facts that can be taken to be real proofs, yet they don’t fit his “objectivity” demands).
I also brought religious explanations as to why the world works his way.
Although, if someone demands being given “DR-objective” physical proofs, I’m the first one to say: “won’t ever happen in the current world state”, like explained previously.

Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

EPR
So, you chose to ignore the confirmed (from both sides) neutral stance of “there can’t be physical/scientific/objective dis/proof for G-d, mostly due to irrelevance – yet, there can be a legitimate personal way to choose either side”?
Since you continue to insist on being provided one, “or else I won’t believe”.
So – don’t.
Why should I care?
But I do care when that BELIEF is being “promoted” into FACT.
Which it isn’t, see above.

Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

EPR
True.
This thread isn’t about ANYTHING at all to begin with.
That’s why I mentioned a good few times that it’s utterly futile and pointless.
For both “sides”.
Like I said in my previous post (and got supported by another one):
Nothing we say here will affect anyone with a strong disposition towards the topic.
Neither side will change to the opposite one.
So why bother?

Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

EPR
Prove me that YOU exist. :DDDDD
I’m not joking – can you prove it?
Let’s see.
(This is my answer to this “prove” crap. You see, no one ever turned human stubbornness off. Meaning, nothing I’d say will drill through a wall of “I don’t care” of SOME people.)

Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

EPR
You ARE Adam in the sense of your soul being a part of his.
To make a funny comparison, like a bee in a hive.
Even though each separate bee (soul/person) seems to be a stand-alone unit, but from the POV of the hive (collective soul), it’s not so.
This all boils down to the idea of us having souls and what it means “practically”.
In this case, a continuation of the major task being redirected to all the “sub-souls”.
Like I said, it’s hard to explain on a wink.

vika
Cause, ahem, we kinda were CREATED?
You’re too overpowering “human abilities” – we are FAR from being capable of what you imply at times.
Not just now, at all.
I’ll just repeat once more:
I’d like to see you or anyone creating a REAL “something from nothing” – then we can talk in that direction.
…
Eve was his “second part” aka true soulmate.
Meaning, she was the first “half-soul” to appear, their children being next.
Souls aren’t physical, so they can be “divided” while staying whole at the same time.
Again – a very difficult subject to explain.
..
SOUL.
Not BODY.
I highly doubt in your familiarity with your soul. :DDD

Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

vika
We are NOT “punished” in the sense of a crime-punishment relationship.
But since the after-effect of that sin still lingers in the world, we must counter-effectively improve the world to a degree that would annul that downgrade.
And since that was a huge (a very mild word in this case) downgrade, our job is immense.
It’s NOT our “fault”, it’s our TASK.
Yes, we didn’t ask for it – but we didn’t ask to be created either.
Furthermore, the soul of the First Man was a collective soul of the whole humanity (how – very hard to explain, but there is logic in it), so in a sense it’s not us that do the job, but the part of us that is “Adam”, that has to correct its own mistake.
Again, this isn’t punishment, but a reparation of our own failure.
Basically, this is very similar to being given another chance, but on different conditions.
I can’t explain it better for now.

Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

DR
Except unless He WANTED us go undergo the transformation from “passive listeners” to “active achievers”, which can’t be achieved other than through actually CHOOSING to become such.
So, He gave a very easy task for the first test, and in case humans succeeded, any further progress would be EASIER.
But we failed (as was possible, cause there was a double possibility to begin with – the fact of Free Choice, like explained above), so now the transformation takes thousands of years already, and isn’t yet finished.
But we ARE going in the right direction (humanity as a whole), regardless of what we think ourselves.
As of your last point, we do suffer the result of the first failure of humanity – why, well, because. :D

Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

DR
You almost got my point, but not yet.
What I’m trying to say is this:
You can only judge benevolence towards YOU (for a few reasons, starting with being unable to read the true inner reactions of others, as to what is perceived as truly BAD by them; what they say is not enough, people can be unable to express their true feelings or simply don’t want to).
So we should focus on YOU (everyone being that YOU).
Now, the sinking of Titanic is NOT your problem – unless you sink with it.
So from your POV, that sinking is irrelevant.
Now, from your POV, you got into a hospital, true.
But also from your POV, this saved your life.
So, to sum up your POV – you got saved from something big and irrevocably BAD by something small and relatively BAD.
True, nothing BAD could (and should) NOT happen at all.
But this is NOT the topic of (omni)benevolence, but rather the topic of Free Choice.
Those two are pretty different topics indeed.
Back to the smacking your hand aways from 220V:
True, the world could have been created without EVIL – and I wanna surprise you: it kinda WAS!
Well, not 100%, there was an EXTERNAL (in all meanings, both physically AND mentally) source of EVIL (the Snake), yet it didn’t FORCE itself onto humans.
I’m really laughing (sorry, but true) at the Christian version of how the “super-powerful in talk” Mr. Devil persuaded “stupid immature” humans to sin.
FAR FROM IT!
Neither Adam nor Eve were “stupid” – inexperienced, yes, but definitely smart.
Except, they haven’t yet experienced EVIL per se (it WAS external to them, totally beyond their comprehension), so they CHOSE to “experiment” with it.
This was THE truest Free Choice to the max!
The choice between HEED vs IGNORE.
They had no idea, what the result would be – and they didn’t NEED to know it.
(If they DID know the horrors that would ensue from this simple act of disobedience – they would NEVER disobey the Commandment. They weren’t idiots, once again.)
All they NEEDED to know, was “obey this command from the Supreme Wisdom”, that’s all.
And they failed.
The rest of the human history is but a millennia-long attempt to CORRECT that single (failed) EXPERIMENT.
But had they OBEYED the command (for a few hours, until the next day – the day of Eternal Rest and Goodness – would come), there would NOT be any EVIL in the world at all!
It was an alternative plan, even if it failed.
(The topic of how G-d knows our choice and yet enables it, is too long for now, so I won’t start it. But, YES, it’s logically possible. EVEN logically, not to mention that we can’t apply HUMAN logic to its Creator.)

Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

DR
Weird example #1:
I’m omniscient and omnipotent, but I want to give you free choice.
I know you have a ticket to Titanic.
I know it will sink, and you’re most likely to drown.
I can’t tell you this, for whatever reason, e.g. I don’t want to tell you the future.
I try talking you out of the travel, without mentioning the real reason, even mentioning that it MAY drown.
You obviously chose to ignore me, even laughed at my (unexplained) warning.
I gave up on talking sense into you, so I simply beat you up, and you get into a hospital for a week.
You obviously miss the ship.
Later on, you hear the terrible news.
What do you think of my actions: benevolent or malevolent?
…
More examples to come later on.
…
The key idea:
There’s no such thing as “good for everyone”, other than “good for me, times everyone”.
The latter means that everything what happens to INDIVIDUALS is for their good.
But the key problem is, we look too much into what happens to others, while not thinking enough about what happens to us.
In other words, even regarding ourselves, we definitely lack the full picture, how much more so about others.
So, one should start looking deeper into his/her life (and see, how often BAD turns into GOOD for HIM/HER), rather than try finding BAD in what happens to others (where one has very limited info anyways).

Topic: Serious Discussion / Subjective Morality

I’d rather really get some mental rest from this nonsense, thank you. :D

Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

EPR
But there is no better answer.
And no, “we don’t care” is not an answer.

Anyways, like I’ve said multiple times before:
If believing in the Creator was so simple, it would impair our free will to the extent of forcing us to accept Him as a fact.
Only in a world where almost everything screams of “nobody’s there”, we can truly use our own capability to truly BELIEVE in something “illogical”.
I don’t care if it sounds stupid to YOU (anyone), but this makes perfect sense the moment you accept the fact that we must be given the capability to DENY something – in order so that we can truly CHOOSE it.
You can’t DENY breathing, can you?
Nor can you truly CHOOSE, whether to breathe.
(You can TRY not breathing, but this would lead you to simply stop being a living body. To LIVE and not BREATHE, this no one can’t.)
If we actually SAW, how we are being constantly (RE)CREATED, we wouldn’t be able to DENY it, the very same way we can’t DENY breathing.
But now we don’t SEE, so we CAN DENY, and many DO – so we are FREE to CHOOSE.
Can’t explain it better, sorry.

Topic: Serious Discussion / Subjective Morality

DR
Who made the bread you eat?
Was it those workers who grew it, reaped it, baked it?
Or was it rather the nature that ENABLED you eating that bread to begin with?
You seem to insist that bread was made entirely due to the human efforts alone.
Anyways, I’m resigning again, too bored from all this. :D

Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

Ung
This leads to the MAJOR question:
Why everything is the way it is?
Well, the only true answer we can get – BECAUSE.
Because the CREATOR chose to do so.
But this is still no excuse to say: “if the Creator’s logic doesn’t fit mine, I’m the right one”.
You CAN say so, but this is pure arrogance and ignorance combined.
Let’s say it this way – until you can replicate the Creation process, you’re stuck as an inferior being.
And as such, it’s much more useful to TRUST the Superior One, than to formulate your own ideas and excuses.
If you so insist on using human logic as a measurement – my last point is very logical, thus you should rather heed it.
By YOU, I mean anyone – just the way it’s being said in English.

Topic: Serious Discussion / Subjective Morality

Whatever.
If you can accept e.g. a serial killer’s “view on perfect world” as plausible, the talk is over.

DR
And the SOURCE for those morals?
Ye, going in circles of “who made the modern morals”…

Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

vika
I’ll address this later, there are some points I wanna discuss.

DR
You ARE describing omnibenevolence as omni-letting-me-do-whatever-I want-and-yet-be-applauded-for-it.
Not the case.
I doubt your (truly loving and caring) parents jumped with joy when you tried putting your finger into 220V.
They rather smacked you, right?
Now, was it LOVE or HATE?
Or maybe LOVE leading to TEACHING through EXPERIENCE (e.g. if you ignore the smack and the warning, you get shocked – but you can only blame yourself for that)?
Pretty close to what G-d does…

Topic: Serious Discussion / Is God really real?

DR
And that’s the major mistake people get into.
Cause we (me included) measure everything by OUR “dis/like” standards, totally disregarding what G-d personally thinks about it.
Whereas there are many “parables” (dunno how to correctly name that type of “commentary stories”), when great people were questioning G-d’s actions – and got either of these two answers:
a. G-d knows better, in the sense of actually knowing the whole picture – so we simply lack data on what should be classified as GOOD and what BAD.
A classical example would be something “bad” leading to obvious salvation from something much “worse”.
E.g. being late for Titanic, hehehe.
Or more extremely, getting into a car crash and then hospital for a few days – and being late for Titanic.
b. G-d knows better, in the sense of having specific plans – e.g. suffering of the obviously righteous people.
It could still be the a. type – cause there is such thing as reincarnation, and “spiritual debts” do carry over.
Yet, in some cases (e.g. Job) it was solely to test that person – and to let him/her achieve a much higher spiritual level through the right reaction on what happened.
E.g. instead of blaming G-d for “being cruel”, rather submit to His authority – and then be rewarded with a revelation of His kindness.
This can seem to be weird or even stupid, but let me tell you one thing:
Logic is ALSO merely a creation, and the Creator has full authority to ignore it.
Yet, we typically tend to insist on binding the Creator with one of His creations, logic, to the extent of using it to “deny” the very Creator.
Just repeating – we’re using a creation to deny its very Creator.
Can there be anything more stupid?

vika
You’re too “paganistic” in your view on the Creator. :D
I mean, you are “making a god in the human image” to the fullest.
I don’t really want to start an in-depth discussion on the errors in such an attitude (cause it’d take me a few pages probably), I’ll just ask you (again?):
What do you think of spirituality and how would you describe it, including whether you believe in it at all?
This is crucial, cause it helps to understand how our world is NOT the entire existence (no, not in the multiverse sense, which you seem to imply to still be physical), but that there are others forms of “existence matter”, vastly different from everything and anything we’re used to.

Topic: Serious Discussion / Subjective Morality

DR
You seem to think TOO MUCH about reward/punishment.
I’m rather talking about “increasing people’s overall morality” aka the global benefit for the entire humanity, not what one personally gets from it.
Actually, that’s what “Biblical morality” IS all about – raising our global benefits, not personal (even if through it, temporarily).
Yes, personal benefits also take place (they also do in certain secular-based activities, e.g. “feeling good”), but they are NOT the GOAL.
The goal is the perfect society, where everyone cares more for one’s neighbor, rather than for oneself.
This does NOT mean “giving away your whole money”, FAR from it, but it does mean “share with anyone, whenever applicable” – or in the Biblical words: “love your neighbor like yourself”.
A well-known, yet largely ignored (even by “religious” people of all creeds) dictum.
Believe me, our entire society would benefit vastly from such an attitude (which also would reduce those “slackers”, cause they would get affected too), if it was globally accepted.
I’ll repeat: the true goal is the actual perfect society, not anyone being punished or rewarded.