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Topic: Realm Grinder / 500 heart upgrades ?

Originally posted by Doubleshoe:
Originally posted by Moonfrost:

It’s weird that IDLE game requires such a timed online presence. Not a right direction.

It didn’t require much of an online presence at all; merely logging on near the start, at about 10k offline seconds, and again at about 100k offline seconds, and then sometime within the last 6-12 hours of the event to buy the upgrades.

That’s precisely what they meant by a “timed online presence”. You had to specifically time when you were going to come online (or back from idle) in order to buy the upgrade you needed to boost your offline (or idle) production.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / 500 heart upgrades ?

Originally posted by MiguelSama:

I have 493 heart upgrades with 5 minutes left in the event :( a close call…

Same. I would’ve had it with one or two more hours, but the event automatically shut off when the timer ran out. The worst part is, since I had no choice but to use the offline method to optimize my heart gain, I wasn’t even able to use the temporary upgrades.

Well, no, the worst part is the people going around saying that people don’t deserve to complete the event if they have different work/sleep schedules and computer rules/availability.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / Realm Grinder: Valentine’s Day Event

Originally posted by Edenlight:

There was no need for a refresh for the event to start, CtA automatically changed into Call to Love and the hearts started by themselves, so I don’t see why it should/would be different for the ending, if I recall, Christmas event also automatically ended, you call that malice, I call it knowing how to code.

Um, no, the counter absolutely did not start before I logged in. When I opened my game I had no hearts, no credit towards offline time to unlock the production upgrades, and 18 hours had already passed in the event. I know this for a fact, since I was there, and the absence of hearts is currently preventing me from reaching the goal despite the fact that I’ve optimized my heart gain since then. Since the game didn’t calculate my time spent offline before the event started, if it suddenly decides to prevent me from using the exact same logic to move past the date, I wouldn’t call that “good coding”. If the game had an internal clock capable of that sort of thing, it should be able to use the same clock to look at the current time, calculate how long ago the event was supposed to start, and produce hearts/upgrade progress from that. Which it did not do. If it was supposed to do that, then that’s a bug that caused me to permanently miss out on this, and I certainly hope the dev would have something to address that issue.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / If the devs made an offer at the end of the event...

Originally posted by ExSilverWolf:

Opps it was suppose to be “All these bonuses are what like .3 % each or something” So 500 of them would be 1500%. Mistyped that big time.

That math still doesn’t work out. 500 times 3% would be 1500%, but 500 times .3% would be 150.0%, or 150%.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / 500 heart upgrades ?

Originally posted by soulegleon:

Eh, me :( I was really hoping I could, but I didn’t have internet access this weekend. Oh well…

Same. I missed about 2/3 of a day, and even though I fully optimized the amount of hearts I was capable of getting since then in my circumstances, I’ve calculated that I’m still gonna end up short. So in the end it turns out I never had any chance of finishing, because there was no way for me to get to my computer during that first day.

There is one potential solution that can help shave out those last few upgrades, though. Copied from my post in another thread…

Originally posted by Socran:

For people who need an extension, though, there is one idea that I think might help. The event ends in about ten hours, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’ll grind to a halt immediately. If you log in before that time, but leave the game running, you might be able to eke out some more hearts. Unfortunately, with the game leaking as much memory as it does, and certain browsers having a tendency to force-refresh in response to memory leaks, this might not work out as well as you’d hope. A single hiccup and you’ll be kicked out of the event. It’s also possible that the developer has programmed it to immediately kick you out of the event, but… If they implemented that, and yet had nothing to calculate the amount of hearts/offline time you should have gotten before logging in for the first time during the event (if there’s an internal clock to kick you off it could be used just as easily for that), then I would start to suspect malice rather than mistakes.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / Realm Grinder: Valentine’s Day Event

So it seems whoever told me that it was still mathematically possible to get to 500 after my late start was lying. I spent the entire time offline except for briefly logging in at the exact right moment, and with about ten hours left for the event I can confirm that I need more hearts than I received in the past 10 hours. What this means is that it’s always been literally impossible for me to complete the event, simply because I had no way of being available during most of the first day – and I couldn’t have just left my computer running while I was gone, because it would still require a refresh to actually start collection for the event. What’s more, since I was led to believe that I could finish it, but only by staying offline, I’ve ended up not being able to even make use of the temporary boosts for the event.

Overall, this event breaks a lot of rules I’ve been taught as a developer. I can understand why a lot of people accuse this of being a “cash grab”, because I was also taught that the one time you are supposed to break those rules is when you’re trying to shake some microtransactions out of players – although I’ve also been taught to only ever try that in games built around microtransactions, not in games like this one, so I’m inclined to believe it was a mistake rather than intentional. (You guys don’t wanna know all the techniques I’ve been taught for tricking people into making bad monetary decisions in games. But don’t worry, I promise not to use them for evil.)

For people who need an extension, though, there is one idea that I think might help. The event ends in about ten hours, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’ll grind to a halt immediately. If you log in before that time, but leave the game running, you might be able to eke out some more hearts. Unfortunately, with the game leaking as much memory as it does, and certain browsers having a tendency to force-refresh in response to memory leaks, this might not work out as well as you’d hope. A single hiccup and you’ll be kicked out of the event. It’s also possible that the developer has programmed it to immediately kick you out of the event, but… If they implemented that, and yet had nothing to calculate the amount of hearts/offline time you should have gotten before logging in for the first time during the event (if there’s an internal clock to kick you off it could be used just as easily for that), then I would start to suspect malice rather than mistakes.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / Realm Grinder: Valentine’s Day Event

Originally posted by kurei13:

when you`re taking my lines out of context.

Yes, I am taking your words out of context. That’s the point. I’m addressing the individual flaws in your claims, not the greater context. I was NEVER talking about a greater context. As I’ve repeatedly said, each one of my posts is meant to be taken independently and at face value. But you keep trying to connect dots that aren’t connected. Think of me as a robot if it helps.

You made a false equivalency between the types of completionism that are present in most types of games and the type that’s present in time-limited events. I pointed out that they’re two very different things, which affect players in a very different way. That’s it. You’re the one who said that you don’t understand how people could be upset, and to me that’s like saying you have an equation that keeps resulting in an error. I’m just picking out the individual flaws I find in that equation, like a spellcheck device or something, so you can recalculate and get the answer I thought you were looking for. I’ve never tried to give you my own answer.

Frankly, if you take that much issue with the current structure of the event, tell us what it “should” look like (like I already did a post before) and provide some arguments for it,

See, this has never been my intent. If I wanted to say something about that, I would have. The ONLY time I ever said anything about my own personal feelings on the event has been “I feel left out”. And, like I said, everything after that is meant to be taken on its own. Individual responses to individual statements.

There are other things in your latest post that I’d like to address, but at this point it’s pretty clear that you’d just end up taking it a completely different way. So let’s just drop it, alright?

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / Realm Grinder: Valentine’s Day Event

Originally posted by kurei13:

Actually most (online) games that feature calendar-based events “do” require actions in a specific limited real-life timeframe – the event time window.

You said “every kind of game”, not “most (online) games that feature calendar-based events”. You just turned it into a redundant claim that a game with time-limited content is going to have time-limited content. And I said that that’s completely different from the kind of “100%” content that’s present in most other games.

Seriously, quit shifting things around and putting words in my mouth. My posts are meant to be taken at face value as a direct and independent response to the post being quoted. I am a very literal person. Don’t read between my lines.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / Realm Grinder: Valentine’s Day Event

Originally posted by kurei13:

Actually you`re the one making an assumption, specifically the assumption every feat and quest is supposed to be earned by everyone, regardless of their specific grade of investment of time and interest in the game.

The post in question was specifically in response to the person saying that everyone already read the post here a week ago. Don’t read more into it than what was said.

It`s like that in every kind of game.

No, most games don’t make things permanently missable if you didn’t do them during a specific real-life time frame. That’s an important distinction. “Spending time and effort” and “spending a specific effort at a specific time or lose your only chance” are two completely different things. And the fact that 99% of this game is the former makes the latter more noteworthy when it appears.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / Realm Grinder: Valentine’s Day Event

Originally posted by Rahler:

but when those same forum-goers also frequent the chat that is automatically active for anyone that’s playing the game, news tends to get around.

No, see, you’re making assumptions again. Most people don’t use the chat, either, which is why even non-idle games have rooms of 200+ people where only two or three of them ever talk. (Idle games, meanwhile, have several completely full rooms where nobody talks at all.) And I wouldn’t call it “automatically active” just because it logs you in. There are multiple tabs, and people who don’t want to chat generally don’t even have the chat tab open.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / Realm Grinder: Valentine’s Day Event

Originally posted by jacobs_andrews:

Theres lots of people checking the forums out all the time mate

Sure, but “lots” does not mean “most”. You could easily have a forum packed with ten thousand people, and then have a hundred thousand who don’t use the forum. (Obviously smaller numbers for this game.) I never said this place was abandoned, only that it doesn’t represent the majority, and so we shouldn’t act like the people here are the only ones who matter.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / Realm Grinder: Valentine’s Day Event

Originally posted by ExSilverWolf:
Originally posted by someloseragain:

extend event time plz

They said event will be 4 days since forever ago. They don’t need to extend it.

A: It doesn’t matter when they first said it, if four days is too short then it’s too short. Even the people who planned things out ahead of time are still being forced into a particular playstyle because of the constraints on the event.

B: Only a small fraction of the players of any game ever visit the forums, and even those ones usually only do so if they’re having an issue. As a developer myself, I can tell you that no decision should ever be based on the assumption that people regularly follow news updates ahead of time. (Though I’m well aware that forum regulars tend to have this unearned sense of superiority and claim that anyone who doesn’t follow the forums somehow “deserves” to be left out, actual developers know better. Usually.)

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / Realm Grinder: Valentine’s Day Event

So basically, in order to not completely screw over my (actual) OCD, the only way to get what I need out of this event is to not play during the event.

I am not feeling very loved here.

EDIT: If there’s going to be any way to save people from getting screwed over like this, like with the Christmas snowball gifts, could the dev say something sooner rather than later?

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / Realm Grinder: Valentine’s Day Event

Sooo I just logged on and started heart production for the first time after waking up about ten minutes ago. Does this make it mathematically impossible for me to get enough hearts without spending rubies? Particularly since I have no choice but to go offline every night…

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / The Excavation menu

Originally posted by cueballkev:

Also dont rely on the amount of FC it says in the screen. Its only a chance to get them, not guarenteed.

That’s not what he’s talking about. If, like me, he likes to get just enough faction coins to get up to X number of exchanges before moving on to the next step in his run, he knows exactly how many faction coins he needs before he should stop excavating. So he basically keeps an eye on the number of faction coins he currently has while pressing that button, then stops when it reaches the number he’s after. The current menu, however, blocks half of that display. Theoretically you can still assume that the half that’s blocked have roughly the same amount of coins as the half that isn’t, but that’s not always true, especially at lower excavation counts and during the mercenary phase. Plus, it’s just annoying.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / Lightning Strike graphics - request

The problem is that the current visual has the affected building flash yellow, but the Titan background is already yellow, and white and yellow are already so close to each other… It’s really an unfortunate set of coincidences, as I never had this problem seeing it with the other factions.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / Gems not reset after soft reset

When you spend gems on excavations, the number gets added directly to the number of gems it says you’ll get on the save screen. You’re probably mentally adding the number of gems spent when the game already added them for you.

In other words, if it says you’ll get 10 gems and you spend 100 on excavations, and then check, it’ll say you get 110 gems.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / Excavation Losses Temporary or Permanent?

Originally posted by sonicman54:

I just soft reset with 116.7 T gems earned. I had 22.6 T built up, and spent down to 33 B on excavations. When I reset, I had a total of 116.7 T gems. Obviously, I didn’t get those back.

What’s the deal?

Actually, when you spend gems on excavations, they get added to the number that it says you’ll get on reset. So, for instance, if it says you’ll get 10T on reset, and you spend 100T on excavations, the next time you check it will say you’ve earned 110T.

But I would like to know, what is the cost of the 200th excavation? I want to know what actual number I’m aiming for, and I can’t find it in any of the existing topics (unless it was just buried in a post that I missed).

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / Next Expansion

Hope it comes out sooner rather than later, because my Neutral playtime just caught up with my Good, and I’m gonna be spending nearly a week on Evil to get Equality…

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / Equality Achievement

Agreed. Especially now that there are actual upgrades unlocked through achievements, having one that you can basically screw yourself out of and drive further and further away from without even realizing it is just cruel. Especially when it takes such a ridiculous amount of finagling to get in the first place.

Perhaps it could be changed in such a way that it still requires finagling, but doesn’t get exponentially harder the longer you don’t have it. Perhaps requiring the same amount of hours/minutes without the same amount of days, or only count the singles digit for the days?

Originally posted by Kholai:

While I feel your pain, given my predilection for angels, pre-equality, if we give this achievement away on the cheap, why not the other, 30 day play time achievements?

Because those achievements will never get farther away, and will only get closer the longer you play. If you play long enough, you will eventually get those achievements naturally. But if you play too long on one side, you’re making it more difficult to get Equality, forcing you to play as a faction you may not want for weeks or possibly months at a time in order to get it before it gets even farther away.

 
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Topic: Dawn of the Dragons: General / Game wont load

It’s a Kongwide problem. A lot of people are having trouble with a lot of games.

http://www.kongregate.com/forums/7-technical-support/topics/423870-games-wont-work-at-all?page=1

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / The Game Keeps Starting Over

There’s a good chance that you keep choosing another server. People who don’t know how the server screen works often have this problem. For instance, if you only remember that your server is third on the list, you don’t realize that the most recent server is always moved to the top, so you keep changing.

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Come and claim your trivia gold!

Socran
Slumbering Cemetery
Both events answered

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / cant choose a serveur

Which version of IE are you using? It should work properly with the latest version. If you have an older version and aren’t able to update because of an old operating system, you may have some issues logging in. You could try refreshing, which works with some variations of this issue, but it may not work for you.

Also, make sure that you’re logged into Kongregate. It won’t connect you if you’re not logged in.

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Rise of Mythos Anniversary Trivia ROUND 2!

Angel Warder
Socran
Slumbering Cemetery