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Topic: Serious Discussion / Feminism and Sexual Equality

I think that saying ‘men are where women were in the 60s’ certainly implies that women have gained and men have lost, in your view, Dark.

 
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Women are often treated as sexual objects, by both men and even other women, rather than people.

I still disagree, though, that rape is caused by sexual attraction. I do not think that there is any evidence that more attractive women are more likely to be raped. If there is, however, I would be glad to look at it.

I still don’t quite get how you are characterizing it, either. Most rapes are between noon and 6 p.m. in a private home, and most rapists are people known to the victim. What do you think is the scenario under which rape occurs?

 
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Originally posted by TheAwsomeOpossum:

Amanda, I just wanted to warn yah, be careful about using non-intervention studies (most statistical studies are this type). It’s because, they can’t be used to say what the cause is … they can only be used to correlate with the cause, providing evidence =p.

So in other words, you would have to look towards other major possible alternatives (like for instance, women being stay-at-home moms more) as to the cause of the factors you list out. If other alternatives exist, we can’t jump straight to that it is because of unequal opportunity quite yet (because we haven’t eliminated the other possibilities).

So like, for the stat relating to 30,966, an alternative cause would be that men have more motivation (because they are working to feed their families) to try to be a workaholic and get a promotion. I’m not saying this is the case, but we have to look into other statistic first before supposing it supports our cause… because it could be based on a related factor, and not what we are talking about. Or it could be based on our factor. We don’t know at this point =p.

Sorry, I just wanted to let you know, because so many people do this one, and, it’s kind of my pet-peeve XD. Sorry.

Best of Wishes,
-TAO

This is definitely true. Since I can’t access the entire study, it is true that there could be other factors in play, both supporting my argument and opposing it. For example, the possibility you posed is possible, but so is the possibility that women were promoted less quickly because their bosses thought them to be less likely to stay and more likely to leave to raise a family. Cause that is the expectation.

So yes, there certainly could be other interpretations. But it could just as easily go either way, so I apologize for that.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Feminism and Sexual Equality

Originally posted by Jantonaitis:

All I’m trying to suggest is not to prejudge self-declared feminists on the basis of a preconception of what commonplace feminist activism sounds like. Yes, there are radicals, same as with every discipline or ideology, but many of the feminists I know and the ones writing today are more accurately described as gender theorists; they’re all-inclusive: male, female, trans, queer.

Personally, I’d say male activism is the wrong way to go, mainly because of the (not unfairly) strident objections by some feminists that it focuses attention away from the groups that are actively persecuted or discriminated against. Yes, men are discriminated against too, but it’s simply erroneous to argue that they are discriminated to the same degree as women, trans, queer, etc. The conflict is rougly analogous to the conflict between traditional ‘white male’ (privileged) literature and multicultural literature. Yes, we should teach both, but to argue that this ‘white male’ literature has been squeezed into a minority camp is just untrue; what’s happened in both cases is that the till-now silenced minorit(ies) has been occupying space typically reserved for the majority/privileged. They’re bumping shoulders where twenty years ago they weren’t because the minority stuff wasn’t even on the table. Hence, friction.

One book you might want to add to your reading list aside from Farell is Daphne Patai’s Professing Feminism. It’s become one of the core resources for critiquing radical western feminism, particularly the problems it’s created relating to free expression in academia, and also dumbing down the bio sciences related to sex.

Thank you. This is absolutely true.

Originally posted by jhco50:
Originally posted by AmandaC4:

This all started with the feminist movement, back in the day when women had very few rights. Hence the name. Now, I would argue by attaining more rights for women and changing the norms for what women ‘should be’ in society, perhaps we can provide more room for men to not have to act stereotypically masculine all the time.

Still, I would argue that men do have more rights than women, even now. Especially because men do hold the majority of economic and political power in the US, and that’s basically how anything gets done around here.

I was there and women had rights. It was more of a man bashing thing than anything else. They did have some problems with equal pay and such, but they were after special attention. I remember the women who started it, they were so homely they would have to hang a chunk of steak around their necks to get the dog to play with them.

I remember them trying to make their little boys play with dolls, hoping them they would be more feminine and their anger when they would go to play war with Barbie or use their fingers to shoot the dolls.

I new a guy who had worked for the telephone company for his whole life. He was up for a manager job and with the law at the time he was bumped to let an inexperienced woman take it. The company I worked for at the time tried to usurp the law and hire a black woman. Didn’t work too well. They did hire a young woman for one of the projects but fired her after they found out she was servicing the men in order to go home early.

Women have the same opportunities as men. Look at Hillary, Condilessa Rice, and a myriad of other politicians. Of course there has not been a president yet, but it will come. Right now, people, including women, don’t trust a woman in the presidency. Don’’t make claims with no basis of fact.

Okay. Basis of fact. Here you go, jhco.

Let’s start here. This article is from the UN, so it is a report from around the world.

in 2009 only 14 women in the world held the position of head of state or government, and of the 500 largest corporations, just 13 had a female CEO.

Concerning work issues, women aged 25 to 54 now have higher labour force participation rates in most regions as compared to 1990, but on average women are still rarely employed in jobs with status, power and authority or in traditionally male blue-collar occupations.

married women are often left out of decision-making on how their own earnings are spent. Limited access to financial resources increases women’s economic dependency on men, making them more vulnerable to economic and environmental shocks.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=53244

Women do not have the same opportunities as men when it comes to being hired.

In a three-year study of 30,996 financial-services managers, logistic regression analyses showed that women were more likely to be promoted rather than hired into management positions. Relative to men, women in higher-level positions received fewer promotions than women in lower-level positions.

http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/search/detailmini.jsp?nfpb=true&&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ578875&ERICExtSearchSearchType0=no&accno=EJ578875

Do you want more? I have a lot more.

 
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That is absolutely untrue and is one of the biggest myths about rape.
Rape is about power and anger, not sexual attraction. Do you really think that men just don’t have the willpower to stop themselves? I think that is doing a huge disservice to men. And the majority of rapes happen to people who know their rapists. I do not believe that one day someone simply said ‘Well, they look really hot today, I think I’ll force them to have sex with me’.

Think about when you see a hot woman. You may think about having sex with them and what that would be like. However, do you honestly consider dragging them into the nearest dark corner and raping them? No.

Additionally, much research has concluded that there is little or no correlation between rape and a woman’s behavior or dress.

“Most convicted rapists do not remember what their victims were wearing. Victims range in age from days old to those in their nineties, hardly provocative dressers. A Federal Commission on Crime of Violence Study found that only 4.4% of all reported rapes involved provocative behavior on the part of the victim. In murder cases 22% involved such behavior (as simple as a glance).”

Utah State University
http://www.usu.edu/saavi/docs/myths_realities.pdf

Blaming someone for their rape is wrong and can seriously psychologically damage someone. Being raped is horrible enough. I don’t give a crap what someone is wearing, no one deserves for their bodies to be violated violently without their permission. Clothing is not permission and is irrelevant to talk of rape.

 
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Originally posted by karmakoolkid:
Originally posted by jhco50:

Dark, I can honestly say I don’t fear anything at night when I’m out. Of course, I am armed.

I fear that which merits fear…..
those “fears” are the reason I “carry”.

Bravery isn’t a lack of fear,,,
it is being able to perform by controlling ones fear.

Kansas law sez I can carry….
regardless of any other “skills” I possess,,,,
I greatly enhance my odds to defeat that which is “fearsome” by having at my disposal a highly capable “tool”.

I am well aware of this instinctual “fear//awareness” that women have.
It is something they should CONSTATNLY “listen” to.
I’ve taught self-defense classes—-TO WOMEN.
I greatly stress that the best way to not be a victim is to BE AWARE
aware of surroundings…aware of potentiality…aware of the ugly side of life.
One is most vulnerable when they are oblivious.
They have “victim” written all over them.

I am old enough to have seen the greatest advancement of women’s rights since they got the vote, etc. in the early 1900’s. In the 60’s,, “bra burning” was symbolic of women throwing off the yoke of male dominance in America. Women could no longer be discriminated against based solely on their gender. Yet, a “glass ceiling” exists. Unequal pay is common. Any man that believes in “male dominance” isn’t really much of a man to begin with.

While it does “take two to tango” in the MAKING of a “baby”….
it is the woman’s body that nourishes it for 9 months.
THAT is where I feel the woman bases a much greater say in what happens in the way of abortion.

Both male & female had sex…
sex can be for FUN and/or procreation.
Even if procreation wasn’t intended,,,
it happens AND MUST BE HANDLED RESPONSIBLY.

A man shouldn’t be able to “force” a woman to abort his conception.
A woman shouldn’t be able to force a man to pay for something he “wasn’t buying”.
Somewhere w/in their moral bases….these two ppl have to reach an accord that is honorable and respectful of the procreative process.

Laws need to be fair & equitable in aiding the process of ensuring that the rights of all parties are observed.

1. Absolutely, women should be aware. Everyone should be aware. However, that does not make it the victim’s fault if they are assaulted.

2. I also definitely agree with what you are saying – abortions shouldn’t be forced on women and men shouldn’t have to pay for a child that they do not want. This is equitable, certainly. :)

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Feminism and Sexual Equality

Originally posted by DarkBaron:

Fun fact: the idea that women have this sixth sense to really gauge social cues is true … It’s also true for men. Men just require a different motivation (money). Men and women are equally keen at picking up social (behavioral) cues. I forget what the women’s motivation was – but it was pretty crucial to their integration into society.

What bothers me is when the goal posts move with Feminism. You define it as equal rights for the sexes – and then on things like tumblr, have signs that support Women’s Rights – and not Men’s Rights. Am I missing something here? Are Men’s rights somehow implicit in, or superseded by, these signs saying Women’s Rights? If it really is defined how the dictionary says, I think it’s a terrible misnomer.

Um, hellooo — HUMAN’S RIGHTS anybody?

This all started with the feminist movement, back in the day when women had very few rights. Hence the name. Now, I would argue by attaining more rights for women and changing the norms for what women ‘should be’ in society, perhaps we can provide more room for men to not have to act stereotypically masculine all the time.

Still, I would argue that men do have more rights than women, even now. Especially because men do hold the majority of economic and political power in the US, and that’s basically how anything gets done around here.

 
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Originally posted by TheAwsomeOpossum:
Originally posted by AmandaC4:
Originally posted by onlineidiot1994:

If feminists are going to continue to be such an outspoken group in the western world, I wouldn’t mind sending them all to countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc where they are suppressed to show that they have it good, and if they really want to fight for women’s rights, they should be where there is an active push to keep them down.

So, you’re saying that feminists should sit down and shut up and have no power, so that we can be just like in Iran? Good job. Your username suits you well.

Nah, he’s trying to say that feminists (in this case, I think he’s talking about the extreme type) should focus on the countries with greater inequalities first rather than worry about a country that has relatively fewer inequalities in comparison. (Or I think that’s what he meant) =P

Nonetheless, he didn’t say it in a very diplomatic manner =/.

Ohhh yeah. The lack of diplomacy sort of made me misinterpret that.
My apologies. In any case, I certainly can’t go over and change the middle eastern government. That’s kind of a big goal. And there are feminists who do work around the world, like Eve Ensler, who has created programs to support Afghan women. She’s done work in other parts of the world, too.

 
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Originally posted by onlineidiot1994:

If feminists are going to continue to be such an outspoken group in the western world, I wouldn’t mind sending them all to countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc where they are suppressed to show that they have it good, and if they really want to fight for women’s rights, they should be where there is an active push to keep them down.

So, you’re saying that feminists should sit down and shut up and have no power, so that we can be just like in Iran? Good job. Your username suits you well.
And why all the hostility regarding equality, anyway?

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:
Originally posted by AmandaC4:
Originally posted by TheAwsomeOpossum:

1. They are equal, but not the same. Genders don’t have the same rights, but they have similar rights.

2. In certain areas yes, in certain areas no. I try and keep a moderate approach to things; certain issues can use fixing all around, and yet, a bias must not be established.

3. Yes, this is the definition of feminism. Be careful though, perhaps even bolding that part of your text, because certain people will confuse regular feminism with the radical type.

I’m curious. How can it be equal if the rights aren’t the same? Isn’t that just comparing apples and oranges? Also, you should probably re-post what you just put in the abortion thread, minus the actual abortion bits.

Yes, it is. Men and women are just different.

First, take away physically weak from your gender roles. I do not think of women as weak. Not as strong as men, but not weak. In fact, this is another area where men are strong in some areas and women are strong in others.

Women are different in many ways. They think different, they react to different situations, they are more able to do different things than men.

When I say think different, I mean women are programmed to be nurturing to their children for instance. Men would rather be tearing down the engine in their truck. This is just an example so don’t bite my head off.

When confronted with, say a robbery, a man may take action in retaliation where a woman will look for a way to flee. In my wife,s case she screamed bloody murder.

Did you know a woman can stand with her back against the wall and been down without falling? A man can’t. This is because a woman is built physically different. I thought this was interesting. A woman can hold a child and be in balance, where a man has to use upper body strength.

Absolutely, there are physical differences in how female and male bodies work. That’s a fact. Some of the behavior, I’m not so sure. How can we know how much men act stereotypically ‘masculine’ because that is what is expected of them by society, rather than that being their natural state?

 
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Originally posted by TheAwsomeOpossum:

1. They are equal, but not the same. Genders don’t have the same rights, but they have similar rights.

2. In certain areas yes, in certain areas no. I try and keep a moderate approach to things; certain issues can use fixing all around, and yet, a bias must not be established.

3. Yes, this is the definition of feminism. Be careful though, perhaps even bolding that part of your text, because certain people will confuse regular feminism with the radical type.

I’m curious. How can it be equal if the rights aren’t the same? Isn’t that just comparing apples and oranges? Also, you should probably re-post what you just put in the abortion thread, minus the actual abortion bits.

 
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I believe that certainly a lot of gender inequality exists often due to strong gender roles that are established in our society.
We are certainly familiar with these roles, but I’m going to list some of the ideals that each gender is supposed to live up to:

Men are supposed to be:
Strong
Unemotional
Supporting the family
Aggressive

Women:
Nurturing
Emotional
Physically Weak
Empathetic
Passive

These can be harmful because individuals who do not live up to their gender roles are often treated quite badly by society. Not all men are strong and unemotional and not all women are empathetic and nurturing. A woman can be tough and a man can be empathetic, but of course, that doesn’t bode well for either of them. An empathetic man is a pussy and a tough or assertive woman is a bitch.

 
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Are the genders equal? Does each gender have certain rights and privileges?

Does more work need to be done in order to make the genders equal? What can be done?

First off, from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary this is what feminism is, as referred to in this thread. It is NOT, as many believe, a plot to bring men down.

fem·i·nism – noun \ˈfe-mə-ˌni-zəm\
Definition of FEMINISM
1: the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes

 
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Originally posted by DarkBaron:

I’m just gonna say that I walk back to my apartment at 1 am many nights a week, and I, too fear for my safety. This is not a burden placed on only women. Just saying.

I think I have been quite clear and qualified quite a lot that I am saying OVERALL, MORE women than men. Especially worrying about things like rape. I am not erasing the male population here.

 
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I would hardly say that men are what women where in the 1960s. Historically, and still today, women have less rights in the world than men. In the 60s, a woman couldn’t own her own credit card. It had to be in her husband’s name. Men were allowed to rape their wives until the late 70s. Are you allowed to take control of your own spending? Can you own a credit card? Can you be sexually assaulted legally? No.

So that is certainly going too far. And really, it’s ‘retarded neo-feministic rhetoric’? It is stating facts. Women lack power and are much more in fear of violence and rape in our country.

HOWEVER. I do agree with a lot of what you are saying. Absolutely, rigid gender roles create harm for both genders. Which is why feminism is about equality in gender, not women making men powerless. Equality means that double standards should not exist either way. So absolutely, men should have just as equal of a right to have custody or the right to see their children. That should be determined by the ability to be a fit parent, not the gender. There are certainly women who, were they men, would be on death row. No, it’s not fair for men. It isn’t fair for either gender.

Men shouldn’t be forced to live up to an unrealistic standard of toughness and lack of emotion and women shouldn’t have to feel horrible about themselves if they aren’t 98 lbs.

Feminism is about equality of gender. It is not about discriminating against men. I am absolutely sure that there are some people who call themselves feminists and do just that. However, there are also religious extremists. Just because they exist does not make them the majority, and I and all people that I know personally that consider themselves feminists do not wish to bring men down.

Abortions are physically about the women. Men are not having abortions. Period. That has to be settled first. If a woman has a pregnancy, the potential consequences can be high. Personally, I think that death is a higher price to pay than child support, and women do die in childbirth.

In any case, this is a tough question to tackle. I understand your point. Of course, women have the ultimate choice (IF and only IF abortion is legal) and men do not have that choice.

So I guess here is the question: How do we create a system in which men do not have to have children and support children without consent and men are not having more careless sex? If child support did not work in this way, it would certainly be possible that some men may be more likely to push and pressure women that they have sex with to have sex without protection because even if the woman got pregnant, they would personally have no repercussions and if the woman wanted to keep the child she would have to support it fully by herself.

Surely we can agree that a scenario like that – intentionally having unsafe sex due to lack of repercussions – is different than the scenario that you described. But they would be treated in the same way.

So again, I absolutely see your point and no, it is not fair. I don’t have a good answer. I believe that women and men should both have control over their own destiny. And in this case, that is difficult to balance.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Abortion

Originally posted by TheAwsomeOpossum:

Alex, even if we don’t necessarily need more population (which I slightly disagree with), you are still ridding of quite a bit of hidden talent. Even though humans are common, they are still one of the most amazing phenomena on the Earth, and have alot of value. Although Lucas also had a point that not all of that talent would develop if it occurred in poor areas.

As for America being a male-denominated society… I would have to disagree, sorry. Certain sub-cultures are certainly male dominated. But often times, it is co-dominated, I have found. While the male may hold financial power and head of the family power, I have often found that women can wrap men around their fingers far better than men can do the opposite. So I think that America’s overall society (if such a thing exists, which I rather doubt) is more of a co-dominant society, each sex getting different strengths and weaknesses, rather than a male-dominated one.

Best of Wishes,
No offenses intended,
TAO

America is a male oriented society in that males have far more power than women. They hold far more positions of authority job-wise, they are able to have more autonomy over their bodies (they don’t have to worry about being called a slut, and no one debates their rights when it comes to their choices over their own reproductive organs (certainly that happens to women, as this thread shows).

Men are judged less for promiscuity (and congratulated for it), and women are expected by society to fill two completely contradictory ideals: the chaste and innocent woman and the whore. Basically, they are expected to be Taylor Swift and Kesha at the same time. Men are judged far less on their bodies, men are paid more, when women are straightforward and powerful they are often called bitches, and this doesn’t happen to men either. There are many reasons that men are at an advantage over women in our society. Women are forced to always think when they go somewhere by themselves, fearing for their safety (especially at night). have to live with fear of rape, etc. Women also do more of the housework than men, on average, and since more women work than they used to, they have much less leisure time than men do, due to coming home from work and having to do housework.

And all of this is only the tip of the iceberg.

In my opinion, the debate over abortion has a whole lot to do with all of this, because it basically comes down to this: Should women be allowed autonomy over what happens to their own body?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Abortion

Originally posted by jhco50:
Originally posted by EPR89:

How exactly is it immoral to end a life that is not even aware of itself yet? You’re saying that again and again, but you’re not explaining it.

How is it immoral if I sneak up behind you and cut your throat? You wouldn’t know it was coming and it would be quick. Would that be satisfactory as a moral if it is my moral? Of course not. Yet you argue it is ok to snuff out a life because that seems moral to you. It is a double standard, as you say.

Morals are the ones accepted by the society as a whole, not what is made up to cover your butt when you do something that isn’t right, but don’t want to feel bad about it. I know, I know, society’s morals aren’t the same for everyone, that is the argument, but there are standard morals. Killing is one of them. Even in that horrible religious reference they all hate on here, it says, “thow shalt not kill”. But of course that doesn’t mean anything to the self-proclaimed atheists. They make their own morals up as they go along.

Okay. So killing is wrong, but the death penalty is okay? What about war? That’s killing. Hell, if we aren’t allowed to kill anything, then squashing bugs and hunting is killing.

We as a society do not condemn killing as a whole. It’s very subjective.

 
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Originally posted by jhco50:

It’s called morals Atla. Something a lot of the posters don’t seem to have and make up their own. The burden is hers because men don’t get pregnant. That is the very reason she should abstain until marriage.

Atlafan, there are not as many accidents as they try to make out in this thread unless the woman sleeps with a “lot” of men. And if these accidents occur, then they want to stop the life they created with abortion. It is a selfish, self-centered idea and it is birth control by death of the life they created. A life exterminated because they have no morals and are selfish. Yes, you could call it sexist if you want, but it really isn’t. It is just the way things are.

You know, men should have to carry a baby. Maybe it would do them good to understand the consequences of their actions. Men don’t care if they get a woman pregnant. Why should they if they can just turn their backs on the woman, but then again, the woman doesn’t have to put out, yet she is sure that scam the man is playing for a good time is real and he loves her. In reality he doesn’t give a crap what happens to the girl. He can run and hide and find another girl to scam, hoping the first one gets and abortion. No, it isn’t all the girl, but the girl has the power to say no.

I don’t feel sorry if the baby is only 8 lbs. My daughter had an 11 lb 2oz baby a few months ago. I did feel sorry for her.

First off, morals: posters who don’t conform to your particular set of morals have no morals at all?
Perhaps, we could say this instead: Moral relativism exists. Morals are different in different situations and among people with different experiences, and just because jhco50 doesn’t agree with the morals of others does not make them moral-less.

Pregnancies can occur when individuals are having responsible, safe sex. A woman agreeing to have sex is not the same as agreeing to have a child. When proper precautions are taken and accidents happen anyway, the woman should have a choice what happens to her body. She should not be forced to carry a fetus if that is not what is best for her or for the child. Ideally, adoption could be an option should the woman be unable to care for a child. However, adoption facilities are often not the best places for children and children who are adopted often end up in terrible situations – abused and neglected, sexually assaulted…etc.

It is not the right of anyone but the woman who is pregnant to decide her fate. I don’t see anyone trying to create laws regulating the sexual behavior or reproductive rights of men. It shouldn’t happen to women, either.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gay Marriage

What I don’t understand about those that oppose gay marriage is this:
How does two chicks or two dudes change your life in any way, shape or form? It seems like a private matter to me. No churches are forced, by law, to perform gay marriages in the United States.

If someone doesn’t like gay marriage – get married to someone of the opposite gender!

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Abortion

Originally posted by atlafan:

jhco: Why should the girl keep her legs closed? Until you advocate guys keeping their legs closed, or having to carry around a 10 pound sack around their middle and abstain from drinking, smoking, eating certain fish, etc., for nine months, then stay home for the next six weeks, then I think the burden is unfairly placed on the woman.

Is abortion ideal? No. Should it be used in place of birth control? Absolutely not. But plenty of accidents happen, plenty of people find themselves unable to carry to term, and a woman shouldn’t be penalized by it just because she happened to get stuck with an extra X and, therefore, is the one responsible for carrying around the baby.

Men don’t have to, and never will have to, carry a baby in their belly. They don’t have to worry about quitting their job, or getting fired, or being unable to complete school, or gaining weight, or having to push an eight pound baby from between their legs. Once the man in the relationship also has to do that, then I won’t consider your saying “Women should keep their legs closed” a bit sexist. But until then, you’re creating an impossible and unfair double standard.

You, sir, are absolutely and totally right. I would love to give you an internet high-five.
It is really…quite unfair for men to make quick assumptions and decisions about topics like abortion because it is a topic that will never personally affect them in the same intense way that it could affect a woman.

In any case: Abortion should always be a choice. Women should be able to choose what happens to their own bodies, just as men should be able to choose their own bodily autonomy.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What's your religion?

Possibilian!
http://poptech.org/popcasts/david_eagleman_on_possibilianism