Recent posts by Gevock on Kongregate

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Topic: Off-topic / Hey OT

Still very relevant. You missed trip 3s. The trip trips

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Topic: Off-topic / The Official My Little Pony Thread

There is already a mental illness thread, on the front page even. You started in this thread by saying people that like the show are ill. If you keep posting here with that sort of attitude and current derailment, expect a silence.

The same branches to anyone attempting to respond to him.

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Topic: Off-topic / The Official My Little Pony Thread

Keep on topic and be respectful.

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Topic: Off-topic / To those that wanted me to leave

You leaving should not be dependent on the work of the community. If you want out, go. If you don’t, stay. Also locking this since it’s not really a topic discussing anything other than your refusal to leave unless people do work for you.

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Topic: Off-topic / Can the moderator have more tools to make the forum better?

I feel like a moth drawn to the flame.

For a website that has really strict admission rules

Not sure what you mean by this. Making accounts is easy. The rules are intentionally vague. Administration advocates leniency in most cases, but if you’ve been permabanned, you can expect a lot less slack for your actions.

the moderation is poor

I’ll have you know I bought a $70 pair of pants today because they were 75% off

I have very little respect for the majority of this community

Then you may want to leave. If you dislike a community, there’s no logical reason to stay.

Shit posts and trolling happen uncontrollably.

Pretty sure you made a few threads yesterday that did not help this situation.

Could the forum do things like temporary ban

Most bans are temporary. Even then, silences are preferable since you can still play games.

show in the comment the user was temporary banned for certain activity. Or warned and show in the comment they were warned for such activity.

Bans are personal. We don’t run a stockade for plenty of good reasons. Bringing attention to the poor behavior here is only going to glorify for many people here.

Not needed. It would make them too powerfull.

Being able to ban was common until 2011ish.

There’s quite a few things F mods can’t do, but that doesn’t mean they can’t take care of things.

Debatable. I remember an occasion where there were pages of locked threads and the forum mod was only able to keep locking since no mods/admins were around. It would require more training and scrutiny, but the more active forums benefit from having someone capable of ending spam directly.

in some cases chat mods also become F mods in which they can ban and silence

Not necessarily true. Uzzbuzz is now a room mod, but he can’t silence people on the forums since the room mod interface isn’t quite perfect. Only reason I can is because I’m global.

I’m not exactly sure what the whole reasoning is

Traditionally, chat mods were chosen because they already had shown maturity and competency in their judgement. It did not require as much combing through their activity and eyeballing. OT was the first forum to move away from this because the idea was that it was more important to pull from people high in the community. And it padded the rationale for having devs and other people that weren’t mods before, becoming forum mods. Pretty much, I’m just a dinosaur from the old system.

Actually, the problem is – there’s no strict rules.

Believe me, if the administration told me to be stricter, I would. That said, the issue is that if you set fire to a majority of the people in the community, you’ll kill it and they’ll leave. You may want that yeasy, but Kongregate is a business and wants its community/customers. They want me to keep things balanced which is much, much harder than what you want.

Mods doesn’t seem to be choosen because they’re professional / can follow the rules.

I’m going to put myself out there and say that this is baseless. You may not like the relaxed nature Kongregate prefers, but the current forum mods for OT are all caring, mature people that deal with your messes for no real gain.

It’s about postcount with semi-reliable past or connections.

I’ve been here for 7 years and only have 7k posts and no one has ever been picked because of connections. I don’t even know what kind of connections you could have? The admins generally are nice to everyone and other mods have no say in who is picked for OT.

clearly the devs are given guidance when it comes to moderation

Also agreeing with stots. The ability to edit posts without a timestamp/tag is far, far more powerful than y’all realize. I technically have the power to make any post here say anything I want. Scary stuff.

1) the only way for a mod to silence/ban in the forums is if they’re global, 1.5) the admins don’t see forums as a priority and aren’t about to change the way moderation works to suit the forums.

Yep, pretty much this.

specifically gevock who has been the champion of forum mods

I could be your hero baby.

take it upon ourselves the make the OT the best we can

Oi, someone suggesting people should proactively help their community instead of relying on three people to be around 24/7. Radical thoughts, dude. This is how revolutions start.

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Topic: Off-topic / I found Gevock

The rest of me was way hotter.

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Topic: Off-topic / what is your favorite color??

There are several instances of this thread made every week, so I’m going to lock this one.

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Topic: Off-topic / SPEEEDTEST THREAD

There are already plenty of old speedtest threads. Please use one of them instead.

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Topic: Off-topic / is it illegal to say variants of aguspal's name now?


Because it’s inappropriate. If you don’t get it, ask the administration.

I suppose mods work in mysterious ways…

Remember that there are more than just the mods. There are also administrators who may only check the flags page or not use forums all that often. I try to go into the thread of a flagged post and find more than just the flag. That’s time-consuming though, so other people may not.

meaning if we stopped flagging posts. . . the mods would forget about ot

No, but the active mods would have more to clean up and it’d be more likely that stuff past page two would be missed.

possibility of some users getting butthurt and trying to ‘get revenge’ by flagging posts that don’t deserve to be flagged…

Clearing flags is easy.

its fine but god forbid i call aguspal shucklepal

I have the funny feeling it wasn’t flagged. Link it or flag it and I’ll probably remove it.

It seems like it they are always at least somewhat random.

That’s because there are four differently active mods with different opinions. Think of it like trying to count cards in Las Vegas with the card pool being from four different decks. This isn’t including the earlier statement about random admins doing flags.

It shouldn’t be.

It actually should be. You can always ask the administrators about the actions of mods and they’re always happy to respond and hear your concerns.

I don’t understand how saying the word ‘shucklepel’ could result in a silence.

If you’re being silenced for forum behavior, I can guarantee that 99% of the time, it’s for more than one post. If you don’t know what other posts were inappropriate, I’m going to point you again to the administration.

Anyhow, as I said, I’m going to lock this.

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Topic: Off-topic / This forum is fucking boring.

Feel free to speak to the administration if you think I’ve made a mistake. Otherwise, keep threads appropriate please.

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Topic: Off-topic / I found Gevock

It’s dangerous to go alone!

Take these tissues.

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Topic: Off-topic / I found Gevock

I better be ripped.

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Topic: Off-topic / Why is gevock so full of himself?

Every time he locks a thread he changes the title so it’s all about him.

I do it to avoid OT becoming a billboard for harassment and self-absorption while avoiding the deletion of the thread. It also shows who locked the thread which I believe you all were wanting more of, right?

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Topic: Off-topic / What Happened OT?????

Flag the poor behavior. You should blame yourself as well if you’re ready to complain without actually helping however possible.

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Topic: Kongregate / Ban system is flawed

it erases the ability to draw a line – so when time comes TO draw the line, it’s incredibly hard and gets harder each time you do it. Especially when the instant reaction of a permaban is “I’ll just keep making a million alts, since if I make a main they’ll just ban that too.”

Quoting for truth. If they tried banning everyone that has poor behavior on OT, it would end like this, except times 30. It’s far, far too grey a place. Is spam worse than flaming? Is watered down harassment worse than constant over-the-top swearing? It’s not exactly easy to scratch your head and try to pick out the worst behavior so that you don’t completely wreck the forum.

Also the other two mods can’t ban; they can only report.

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Topic: Off-topic / the official cp thread

Locking because it’s not Captain Planet.

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Topic: Off-topic / The Official Furry Thread ;3

Follow the rules. It’s not that bad.

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Topic: Off-topic / Who is the STRONGEST in OT?

Currently, Fish. Zam might be into it, but he doesn’t have the size. Fish works hard and it shows. I’d put Hallu at second. Also no stranger to labor.

All-time though goes to TGH, as already suggested. Dude was professionally ripped.

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Topic: Off-topic / What is the worst, most painful, scariest way to die?

He was the least cringiest let’s player that I could find for that game. I know it’s hard to deal with. I’m sorry.

freezing to death

I’ve read that it’s more of a overwhelming numbing sensation sometimes paired with a euphoria, but it’s hard to really know death from accounts of people that’ve lived through it.

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Topic: Off-topic / The Official Furry Thread ;3

“We are no longer allowed to post just pictures they must be accompanied by some sort of text.”

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Topic: Off-topic / What is the worst, most painful, scariest way to die?

Drowning seems pretty terrifying/painful.

Also decapitation, since your brain is still firing after the cut. Imagine watching your body fall away from you.

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Topic: Off-topic / so why are furies against the rules?

It would get removed regardless if people were flagging it you idiot.

You’d be surprised. I don’t go digging through every post made on OT, so flagging things brings it to attention sooner than me stumbling onto it, usually.

so why are furies against the rules?

They aren’t.

what the mods are doing is flat out abuse.

Go to the admins.

There is literally a thread where you can post all the furries you want and nobody will stop you.

Pretty much this, but imagespam is still against the guidelines. You can even see where Tricky reminds everyone that OT is not an imageboard.

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Topic: Forum Games: Forum Games / The Master Thread

I’ll consult my colleagues and other people here that I trust to remain objective for the health of the forum itself.

to remind everyone that it is up to the forum moderators and their discretion as to what games are inappropriate, per the guidelines.

Because that’s the way Kongregate works. This forum does not have any inherent right to democracy. My goal is a compromise between the community and the other two moderators for the most reasonable solution.

Why do I have to be a chair?

Because I need a cool chair to sit on.

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Topic: Forum Games: Forum Games / The Master Thread

Well looks like I get to dust off my reading glasses and be the token mod guy. I was supposed to read all this a couple days ago, but I got lost on the way to the supermarket and placed under police custody for “Public Indency”. Pfft, whatever that means.

Now where was I?

to request running a third game in FGF

The issue at hand I see. I figured this day would come eventually, so perhaps I should have prepared something beforehand.

damn, being regular is cool, im approving shit day and night.

This is one of the pitfalls of the system that I expected as well. While I admire the enthusiasm, I can see how this is the beginning of the end of any possible barriers for most people being able to host multiple games. It’s completely your choice, but I do stress to think about the health of the forum when making decisions for approvals. It is quite possible for your actions to have a negative effect on the forum. Nothing against you this person, but it was a good opportunity to get that out of the way.

I don’t think anyone should be allowed to handle three games at once.

As valuable of an opinion as anyone’s. While I’m saving my decision for the very bottom, I will reiterate that your forum mods are people and part of this community too. They can have authority and opinions exclusive to each other. What we’re talking about today though goes beyond opinions and falls to the design of the forum and what its guidelines suggest is the best course of action for this unprecedented event.

even if he can’t handle three games, then what?

It opens the door to more inactivity, cluttered games, and proves that the forum needs to adjust the rules. As a reverse to your question: What is the harm in making him wait for his game/s to finish? Both have their merits, but waiting has no ill effects on the forum while three games giving out because the host couldn’t run them all has multiple consequences. That being said, there is nothing currently in place to bar him from trying.

You don’t have to approve, but if he gets 3 approvals… let him do it.

I only take this quote out to remind everyone that it is up to the forum moderators and their discretion as to what games are inappropriate, per the guidelines.

What makes you a host worthy of that exception over everybody on this forum?

It’s not a matter of exception. It’s a matter of self-limiting. No one else has gone so far as to try and succeed with approvals, as people have stated. That doesn’t mean your concerns here are baseless or unfounded, but they’re right that there isn’t a clear rule written saying there is limit to more than two.

if the game crashes and burns, it’s his own problem.

But it does ripple. Games end abruptly or die frequently, some people might not have such a want to come around and play. Perhaps that’s not such a catastrophe, but it is an unnecessary addition to potential decline.

even if the other 95 percent totally disagree.

If there was a reason 95% of people would disagree with a game being made, there’s probably more to the issue and the forum moderators would probably want to find a solution for everyone.

Then there should be a system where FGF regulars can disapprove (-1) the request, which can prevent the approvals (+1) of other FGF regulars. Majority wins.

This just causes in-fighting and probably a reworking of the whole system. No, I believe there’s an easier way to this.

I predict that the bar will keep being raised until the view is ruined by the clouds.

This is the core of the issue. Giving into a slippery slope that may not be so good for the forum. This has always been a fluid place with fluid regulars, rules, and opinions. This place changes far more than any of the other forums. As Jimbo said, we’ve gone from 10 games at a time, to any amount of games at a time, to community-supported duos of games, sub-forum for continuous games, and now the possibility of three games at once.

If any of the three games suffer, that is a good learning experience regardless.

And FF hits the nail on the head. I’ll write my tl;dr near the bottom for you all, but the short of it is, we’re going to learn a lot by letting this happen and it will have an effect on what happens in the future.

By what? Complaining and whining like a child than that of a Forum Moderator or even an FGF regular?

Keep respectful, everyone. Keep in mind that this is happening and if it wasn’t being allowed, then I’d understand why you’d be treating each other poorly. If I do not see politeness from people wanting to take on more responsibility, then I will definitely question their abilities and motivations. If it is hard to hold back from lashing out, why should I think you’re the right person to take on a task that practically revolves around effective communication? You should not treat the people disagreeing with you disrespectfully.

All the other posts

I love all your words, but they sort of go back and forth on issues already discussed and tangents that we can discuss later.

Congratulations! You have earned “Making it to the end of the post!”

So, I’ve disagreed and agreed with just about every major player in this argument. What can I possibly have thought up if all I’ve done is played the fence? Well shit, honestly, I was considering that we play the fence actually.

“But Gevock, what does that mean?” Excellent followup question! We see what happens with the first few instances of this occurrence. This means I’ll actually have to pay atteeeeeeeeention (ugh), but I guess I have the time squared away. I’ll be personally watching all the games hosted by the people wanting three games. I will see their outcomes, their activity, and their responsiveness of the host. I’ll bring it up to Bluji and FelineForumer if I notice the trend to be failing or if I see no actual positive impact from third games. As I said earlier, waiting for one game to finish is not as big of a deal as failing to host multiple games at once. Sure we might want to be impatient and sure we don’t have anything in place at this second, but the rules change here. It can easily be amended that three games is too many, since the guidelines ultimately fall to the administration and by extension of the administration’s authority, the forum moderation selected by them. I have no quarrel with changing the rules I originally made.

So, in short, I will be watching how this plays out over the duration of the games and I’ll be back to give you all a clear answer on what needs to happen. I’ll consult my colleagues and other people here that I trust to remain objective for the health of the forum itself.

As to 10crystalmask01 and Bluji…

I will be watching.

In this picture, the forum is the spaceship, FelineForumer is the glass, the administrators are the planet, the rules are the floor, and Bluji/Crystalmask are the chair. Oh, and I’m the cool BAMF smoking a cigarette with the really cool eyes and stuff.

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Topic: Off-topic / :^) what meme would you fuck

You guys are too sweet.