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Topic: Serious Discussion / God, the Bible, and religion - a Kong search for truth

Like I said before, there is absolutely no evidence that implies God exists. We have not found anything on the earth, in ourselves, or in the heavens that requires divine intervention.

How would You know how to look?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Where do you draw the line?

Another comment.

Via Rules 1 – 5 alone, we have certain things. Add Rule 6 and we have a game.

War (ideally) becomes Paintball.

Ulamaliztli becomes basket/volleyball.

Politics becomes American Idol.

I’m not sure where I’m going with this. Maybe that mysterious “fun factor” is a removal of danger? It’s a hypothetical – at the end of the game, you go back to square one. Unless you’re gambling on the outcome of the game. I don’t know.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Implications of Allowing Gay Marriage (Polygamy/Incest)

What about brother-brother or sister-sister marriage?

Incest? Won’t lead to children.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / God, the Bible, and religion - a Kong search for truth

Sooo… I’ve taken a little break from the Kong forums. Have we unlocked the Mysteries yet?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Where do you draw the line?

I would strive for a definition that is not dependent on the viewer. However, I do think we can add the intent of fun to the game’s definition, regardless of the viewer’s evaluation of success towards this goal.

Exactly. Some games are fun, some are not. I would not want to play an ancient Aztec game of ullamaliztli

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Where do you draw the line?

I’d just define it as “a game is anything that is fun”, but then the problem comes down to defining what fun means, which is unhelpful.

I think you’re actually on the right track, there. But then, some people would think super guitar crazy hero maniac happy fun times deluxe II is a game, but I wouldn’t. Cuz it sucks. :P But I think the idea of it being fun has to fit in there somewhere.

By the first four rules Phoenix listed, American Idol becomes a game when you can vote on the contestants. In fact, voting of any kind becomes a game.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Video Games as Art?

Perhaps some will disagree with me, but I’m going to flatly claim that art cannot be accidental. It must have some sort of purpose, some intentional deeper meaning. I keep using the word “intent” and I’m going to stick by that

I may just have to flat out disagree with you there. :) I think intent is important, but I think maybe that if there’s an illusion of intent, that might also be a deciding factor. We may be getting onto ground where more than one quality is sufficient, but not necessary, to make something “art.” I’m not sure I like that grounding.

If “art” is a quality of the work itself.. I think we have a chicken/egg problem like the tree in the woods. No one’s going to know about the artness of the work until they experience it.

Ryan002 – please define “post-modernism.” Without the jargon, if you please. :) I’m not disagreeing with your 4 modality distinction, but I have never read a good definition of “post-modern,” even in its philosophy. Chances are I probably like things in all four of those categories. In fact, I know I do – I love Pulp Fiction, which I am told is quintessential PoMo.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Satan!

LaVey’s Satanism is basically an ethically unified atheism/humanism with a name formulated to piss people off. My opinion. Other forms? I’ve know idea.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Video Games as Art?

Whoops! ThemePark posted the same link I did earlier up there (the toddler art link) and I didn’t realize it. Sorry, theme!

Phoenix – the funny thing about it is that let’s say the mother really went all out and represented it as works with serious intent behind it, and for some reason collectors went nuts for it. There’s no real intent, but what if you didn’t know that? Alone, hanging on the wall in an exhibition, with a little caption printed next to it with the “artist’s description,” you have the illusion of intent. It goes somewhat hand in hand with the idea of Duchamp’s readymades, like Fountain. Weird, huh? I’m having trouble with the concept, honestly.

I hate Wikipedia, but check out Ern Malley. A different take on intent and results.

Now, don’t confuse this as me saying they aren’t aesthetically pleasing. I think some of the paintings are interesting to look at and have all sorts of intriguing details and interactions of colors. But the same could be done with a randomized machine.

Yet another definition of art: aesthetically pleasing. Art’s also experiential. Or representational. Or defined by its intentions. Or what you can interpret out of it? Or is it by its medium? Or is it institutional? If Andy Warhol were still alive and pointed out a video game and said “that is art” what would happen? :D

What makes music art? A dance?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Video Games as Art?

This thread went crazy! I’m trying to catch up in it, but I probably won’t. Good discussion in here, though, so I think I’ll just try to confuse things even more. I’m not sure what I think any more. :)

I’d like to offer this link to the mix.

Is it art?

Is this?

Here’s (oh, no!) yet another definition of art: museums are filled with objet d’art, while the critics are charged admission.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Video Games as Art?

My initial thoughts, I’ll add more later; I have to go play with hay in the snow very shortly. Why can’t horses hibernate? Alas. Anyway.

Ebert’s got an interesting argument: Video games can be artistic, artsy, etc. but not high art. Whatever that means. Unfortunately for Ebert, he doesn’t seem to know what it means, either. For that matter, no one else does. Give it a decade and the outre is the new passe and we’re debating, yet again, what makes art. And so it’s gone since before Aristotle.

Ebert does himself an additional disservice by not even taking his own arguments seriously enough to make them rigorous. Which is odd, because Ebert is a fairly astute movie reviewer, and he’s not uninformed about things and he’s not unintelligent.

Passage is good. More later.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Westboro Baptist Church.

I love this Time article on the Patriot Guard Riders. It calls Phelps a “paleo-fundamentalist, gay-baiting performance artist.” LMAO! Good article, too.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Can't... talk...

I’m desensitised to Fox News, unfortunately. I’ve seen too many sensationalized stories on Fox that I really don’t take them seriously any more.

A shame, really.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Can't... talk...

Fox News… Fair and Balanced. Yep.

With a a little googling, here’s a fun blog with some pretty good information.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Westboro Baptist Church.

Okay, and I hate doing three posts in a row, but talking about this reminds me of this old story

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Westboro Baptist Church.

btw, Aire, good topic.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Westboro Baptist Church.

The difficulty I have with it is with that slippery slope. If you ban them from “peacably assembling” at someone’s funeral, where else are you going to ban them from peacably assembling. And who else are you then going to find reason to ban?

If they were protesting a funeral for Timothy McVeigh, would you be so upset? (Because let’s face it, somewhere out there is probably someone who loved the man and wondered just where he went wrong, and mourned for the tragedy he turned out to be)

We have to respect the right to free assembly, speech, etc., but within reason. You can’t yell “fire” in a crowded theater, but I believe that’s outside the purview of the government. It’s private property, and the theater can do what it wants. The same, I imagine, for a cemetery. Or is it? Are cemeteries privately owned or state owned?

The law might say they have the right to assemble, but my ethical sense tingles, whatever that means, and says that there’s something wrong when they use it to interfere with someone else’s life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Westboro Baptist Church.

In response to WBC, some states have made laws prohibiting protests within so many feet of a funeral, but sadly the WBC might have a valid case claiming that such laws re un-Constitutional

That’d be an interesting case. I wonder if a funeral itself would be considered an assembly – the WBC wouldn’t have a constitutional right to interfere with it.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Sex (i.e. Man/Woman) Equality?

I’m against feminism because it is founded on the assumption that the only people who are discriminated against because of their sex (almost put gender there, if I type gender, please just swap it for sex when reading) are women/girls.

Is feminism outdated, then? What would you put in its place?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Westboro Baptist Church.

WBC are going to protest at Heath Ledger’s funeral,

I could have sworn I saw on CNN that Ledger had a girlfriend and a two year old daughter. Are they protesting his role in Brokeback Mountain?

If so, then they really have a problem separating fantasy from reality. ’Course, I should have taken that as a given….

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The other Debate Thread: Going to college or entering the workforce.

AlisonClaire, who actually attends college informed me that they in fact will kick you out if you show up to a class without being registered.

Only the small ones, I’d think. At a big university, you could probably sit in in the lecture halls that cater to the “introductory” classes for the lower level undergrads. You know, the intro to business type classes that have 800 students and overflows into rooms with the professor on CCTVs that all my friends used to bitch about.

damijin – I largely agree with you. You can really go either way. I think a lot of it is how hard you’re willing to work, and yes, who you know. You sound like someone who’s busted their ass to get where they are, and done it without a college “education.” Good for you. As you get older, though, you may find it more attractive to have that piece of paper just to stay competitive – but at least now you have the experience to know what to do with it. An old buddy of mine started out after high school as a lineman’s apprentice. He turned out to be very good at it. He’s now approaching Master status, I think he’s close to also having an M.S. in EE or something, and makes in the high five figures range. He’s done damn well for himself.

Yet there are still people with wrinkles working at McDonald’s and gas stations all over the country. So it’s no guarantee.

If you go to college, though, then yes, a lot of it is what you study. An old friend of mine got her B.A. in Greek Classics or something, and then continued to work at Barnes n’ Noble after she graduated. She’s now a doctoral candidate out in New York. I haven’t talked to her in several years, so who knows what she’ll do afterwards. Other friends of mine got their B.S.’s in things like Comp Sci and ChemE and have had great jobs from the get-go.

Are there other benefits to higher education? Non-tangible, non-quantifiable gains from getting a piece of paper? Personally, I think there are, but again, what you get out of it depends on how much you put into it. The piece of paper is just a piece of paper. It looks good on the wall, or in the little carrying case it’s in (which reminds me, I have no idea where my Associate’s is since the last time I moved). But the real focus isn’t that paper, it’s you. Or it should be. The paper should be an accidental of personal excellence, not the other way around.

There’s a growing trend to focus on technical education, and I’m not sure how I feel about that. Good for jobs, but that’s it. There’s two different philosophies at work here, regarding the aims of higher education, and I’m not sure which is more valuable.

It might be interesting to take a look at statistics other than wages and salaries. Such as: depression, rates of alcoholism and other drug abuse, suicide, etc. in the college educated vs. non-college educated.

And we haven’t even considered military.

I think I’m done rambling, now.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / God, the Bible, and religion - a Kong search for truth

Phoenix – I’ve always wondered how the fundamentalists reconcile the “bible is the word of god” schtick with the fact of the bible’s own evolution to its current form. That, and if the Jesus sometimes spoke in parables, why other parts of the “inerrant word of god” could not be metaphor.

Apparently, this argument is something of an old one…

Reply to Faustus the Manichaean

Here’s another fun quote.
bq. Let me quote for you a beautiful passage from St. Augustine’s tract against Felix the Manichean:
In the Gospel we do not read that the Lord said: I send you the Holy Spirit so that He might teach you all about the course of the sun and the moon. The Lord wanted to make Christians, not astronomers. You learn at school all the useful things you need to know about nature. It is true that Christ said that the Holy Spirit will come to lead us into all truth, but He is not speaking there about the course of the sun and the moon. If you think that knowledge about these things belongs to the truth that Christ promised through the Holy Spirit, then I ask you: how many stars are there? I say that such things do not belong to Christian teaching…whereas you affirm that this teaching includes knowledge about how the world was made and what takes place in the world. (St. Augustine, Contra Felicem Manichaeum, 1, 10 (PL 42, 525)

Fascinating stuff.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / God, the Bible, and religion - a Kong search for truth

TRUECRISTIAN – Are you drunk?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is This Nation Under God?

I think having “In God We Trust” on our money is ironic, to say the least. You’d think the theists would be the ones trying to re-mint our coins, not the atheists. Kind of like putting that Jesus-fish on RU486 pills.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The other Debate Thread: Going to college or entering the workforce.

Good topic. I’d like to see some good numbers first, though.