Recent posts by steeveyxenon on Kongregate

Topic: General Gaming / Notessimo 2 Beta - Get your song featured !

What the hell hapepend to notessimo 2? I was just ready to get back into it and it says “failsafe games”, so I go to www.failsafegames.com and there’s no notessimo or any games.

Topic: Game Programming / What's the best way to have a "fire on press" command for an iphone?

ipod touches don’t have a lot of buttons, but I want the players to be able to fire at will, so what’s the best way to let ipod/iphone users do that?

Topic: Collaborations / Sponsorship

Originally posted by saybox:

That’s great but you seem to have missed the point that we’re on a Flash gaming site, talking about a Flash gaming sponsorship, from a Flash game sponsor.

Why don’t you go hit the “contact Kongregate” button and tell them they have it wrong, instead of wasting our time here?

Kongregate Sponsorship FAQ

Dude, I said multiple times not every business is automatically into flash games. Do you think a company like Home Depot is going to all of a sudden know how a few flash developers or websites define things?

Topic: Collaborations / Sponsorship

Originally posted by jobsta360:

Originally posted by steeveyxenon:

Originally posted by jobsta360:

We don’t care what your ‘banker’ says.
Your/his/her idea of what a flash game sponsorship is wrong.

Well not every single business automatically knows how flash games work or know about them or work with them, and its important to know how the majority of the business world actually defines things. I’ve tried to contact companies which haven’t really been into the online gaming industry before. Flash games are not as big of an industry as you think, even with all these websites. Very few sites actually make a decent living solely from flash games.

That’s not the point.
The point is that Flash Sponsorships are what everyone else said they are. Not what you said they are.

Do you even read anyone’s posts? I never said or implied it was because “I” said it was, it’s because that’s how most businesses define it. This is why businesses don’t take online flash games that seriously. Whenever they are contacted the developers always seem unprofessional by doing things like not using the word “sponsorship” correctly, but they don’t want to lose a a potential opportunity either so they never correct you and just go along with the “advertising”/“flash game” definition it seems. It’s either that or you just never mention to word sponsorship with them and you assume its called a sponsorship.

Originally posted by saybox:

You and your banker are misinformed. Or, as you put it earlier in the thread, ignorant.

Sponsorship, in the context of this thread on a Flash gaming forum, clearly means selling the game to a sponsor. it doesn’t matter how much you protest your own definition of the word; in the Flash industry that’s what sponsorship is and there’s nothing you can say that makes that any different.

Additionally, you and your banker don’t seem to understand the difference between sponsoring and advertising, and you should probably do some reading before trying to convince people that they’re the same thing. In short, sponsorship implies association with the product, whereas advertising doesn’t. If you don’t understand what that means, then take your banker and go back to marketing school, because its a huge difference.

Your definition of sponsorship works just fine in many industries, but that doesn’t make it the “only” one, and the idea that you’d come to a thread full of Flash devs and try to tell them all that sponsorship doesn’t exist just because you don’t understand what the word means in this market is surprising.

Obviously you guys don’t understand business terms have real meaning outside a flash game forum. Not every single business in the entire world is automatically keen to “flash game” definitions and not every business will agree with it.

Topic: Collaborations / Sponsorship

Originally posted by jobsta360:

We don’t care what your ‘banker’ says.
Your/his/her idea of what a flash game sponsorship is wrong.

Well not every single business automatically knows how flash games work or know about them or work with them, and its important to know how the majority of the business world actually defines things. I’ve tried to contact companies which haven’t really been into the online gaming industry before. Flash games are not as big of an industry as you think, even with all these websites. Very few sites actually make a decent living solely from flash games.

Topic: Collaborations / Sponsorship

Maybe you people losely like to call

Originally posted by HectorFV:

@steeveyxenon, I think you are a little confused. Where do you get that idea?, I’m assuming you are taking all that from some other context, maybe it works like that for some other industries or platforms.

Originally posted by DPbrad:

Getting a Flash game sponsored is when you show a website/sponsor the finished product, for you to place ads, links to their site, extra features exclusive to their site, and maybe their API, in exchange they will give you $xxxx? cash for you to keep, as sponsorship revenue.

For flash games, this is pretty much how it works, and we are not speculating; some of us have been working with sponsors for a while.

Maybe you people loosely like to call it sponsorship just because its a term that’s caught on and been exaggeration over time, but I asked an actual banker the other day and sponsorships pay for completing a project, you are not suppose to make money from the sponsorship itself. You pay for something like advertising the game or hiring a programmer or graphic designer in the case of an online game.

What you guys are talking about is advertising. Putting the name of a company in/on something for profit is advertising. Having a company pay for a commodity or equipment so you can make profit from a finished product in the future is sponsorship.

Originally posted by qwerber:

Your saying that thousands of sponsored flash games out there are fraudulent or lying?

I’m saying many people don’t actually know what it exactly is, just like many people improperly use the word ignorant to mean stupid when it actually just means lack of knowledge.

Topic: Collaborations / Sponsorship

Originally posted by saybox:

Originally posted by steeveyxenon:

But sponsorships are NOT suppose to be for profit, they are to cover the cost of making something and have absolutely nothing to do with making money from a product, just building it, so I don’t see how all these developers can say they are making a profit from a sponsorship unless they are lying about something or they are getting confused with an advertising system.

Paying for a hired programmer to make it, thats sponsorship.
Paying to advertise it on another site, that can be sponsorship
Putting money in your own pocket, that is either fraud or not sponsorship.

Apparently you have no idea what sponsorship is, and I see you’re not a developer either, so as the saying goes, know your role…. and shut your mouth. Really, don’t try to talk about something you clearly don’t have a clue about.

Paying for a programmer to make something is work for hire. Paying to advertise on another site…. is advertising. nobody is lying about it, and the only person confused about how the system works is you.

Sponsorship of a Flash game is where you show portal sites, such as Kong, ArmorGames, etc your game before its released publicly, and they pay to have their logo and branding put into the game. The amount paid has nothing to do with how much time you spent programming the game, and everything to do with how good the game is, how much the portal think its worth to them, and how much other interest their is in it (its typically a bidding process).

To answer the original question, there is no “average” price. Generally if the game is good it will get more money. My game Clours didn’t get any bids at all, while the highest bid my game Sleeping Beauty received was $1200, which would also have allowed ingame ads (I refused the bid, but that’s besides the point).

Put the game on FlashGameLicense.com, get some feedback from their staff (they review the game whne you open it for bidding), and go from there.

Paying just to have your name in a game is NOT sponsorship, it is advertisement. Companies ONLY sponsor things so that they can be completed, NOT so the money can be made as profit, The PROFIT comes from the finished product.
Also, I’m just not a developer on kongregate.com.
You don’t hire yourself, that doesn’t make sense, you either feel like doing work or you don’t, so getting money from a company to have their name would be an incentive to advertise them, not sponsorship because you could just get someone else to do the work, THEN it would be sponsorship to pay for them to do it. If they do the work for free, then no money is required for them to complete their part of the game, so it is NOT sponsorship. Sponsorships are about completing, not profit to the people running a project. People sponsor things not because they like the pay leaders of a project, but because they think the finished project will make them money in some way if they can be associated with it.

Topic: Collaborations / Sponsorship

But sponsorships are NOT suppose to be for profit, they are to cover the cost of making something and have absolutely nothing to do with making money from a product, just building it, so I don’t see how all these developers can say they are making a profit from a sponsorship unless they are lying about something or they are getting confused with an advertising system.

Paying for a hired programmer to make it, thats sponsorship.
Paying to advertise it on another site, that can be sponsorship
Putting money in your own pocket, that is either fraud or not sponsorship.

Topic: Collaborations / Have a nice game idea for Eden Contest, need everything else

I might be interested in art, depending on what the game is.

Topic: Collaborations / Looking for graphics for my upcoming shooter

I might want to. Though, the style might be slightly different if I do it. The graphics don’t look too bad though.

Topic: Collaborations / Logo needed

Originally posted by darkscanner:

Originally posted by steeveyxenon:

You can PM me too

Topic: Collaborations / Artist needed for mostly complete game

I don’t normally do semi-cartoony style, but I might be able to do it with a few photoshop tricks. Pm me your email and I’ll send you some samples, and perhaps you could tell me more specifically what you need.

Topic: Collaborations / Logo needed

You can PM me too

Topic: Collaborations / My game idea: Guns n' blades (WIP of title)

You can program pretty much anything if the programmer is good enough. The only limits are things like 1/0 and things are more quantized like graphics, but even infinity can be conquered by using things like random map generating commands that random distribute a material within some parameters or making a closed loop in the landscape like with a sphere.

Although, you do also have to consider processing and lag with a lot of games, which I think is what your trying to say.

Topic: Collaborations / Solar panel drawing

Does the ring curve inward? I might just be able to send you a google sketchup file if I make it successfully on there. In fact, I made it already, so if you want me to send you the sketchup file, just pm me your email.

Topic: Collaborations / Need Menu Art!

Are you still there?

Topic: Collaborations / Solar panel drawing

Uh, why don’t oyu just design one in google sketchup or blender?

Topic: Collaborations / Looking for help

What type of art are you looking for? Is there an example of the game you could show? I more or less mean pixel art, modern/dynamic art, or more freehand art like illustrations and using a wacom tablet?

Topic: Collaborations / [Found a project] I need team experience

The art themes aren’t coherent at all, in one of them you just googled like “nebula” or something and threw those images in, sometimes the art is too simple or needs to be more complex or detailed like with the ghost in that stained glass game, and the anubis for the intro is not what you want to put when showing off a game.

Topic: Collaborations / Anyone want an artist?

You can easily take classes at a technical college while your still in high school or over the summer.

Topic: Collaborations / Artist needed [small job]

I don’t really know if you can actually heighten the quality of any given image, but if you need a menu screen and text or some other kind of detail I could probably do it.

Topic: Collaborations / Game Developers needed.

If you have good programmers, I could come on board in the future…

Topic: Collaborations / Tower Defense Ideas

Is it like, an elemental TD, or more of a technological TD?

Topic: Collaborations / PIXEL ARTIST!

I usually don’t call myself an artist, but upon working on pixel art for my own game using paint, I’ve discovered how to do detailed pixel art to some extent and make different shapes. There is also an effect or two in photoshop which lets my pixelate a picture more. Here’s an example of something I made pixel by pixel in paint.

However, I’m not very familiar with how its animated and what I would need to do with animating it. I’ve really only recently discovered how to do pixel art pixel by pixel to make specific shapes and shading that I want, so it mostly depends on what you are actually asking for, but this is also something I might want to try out, just to see for myself if I can make good enough pixel art.

And I also have to ask
How did you make that other art for the demo if you need a pixel artist?

Topic: Kongregate Labs / making money

Ok, thanks a lot. But if there are multiple people working on the game, how does kongregate know how to distribute the money?