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Topic: Rise of Mythos / What are the future sins/virtues + abilties ?

Originally posted by SpookyCC:

They all combine like the Planeteers and summon “EoL”, a kind of RoM Captain Planet, only instead of saving the earth, it kills the game dead.

+10

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Patch notes (where are they?)

We were supposed to have a regular set of patch notes for this week

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Maintenance

Events updated: Den, Odyssey, Vip boss and Chaotic waste. No supremacy so far atleast, nothing new in guide. (Midnight Server time)

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Maintenance

Maint happened on GF server D: but no idea what we’re getting…

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Maintenance

So no maint? supremacy? anything? maybe pizza?

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Maintenance

Heard something about them deciding on if they release either the skills or walls or something but no real info

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Maintenance

Saint, Trig, where are the patch notes? Been waiting all day lol

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / awakening elite

I use the same type of deck and did my Sarya mostly for GSD and 2s. Added her in my 1s to try it and no regrets. Sarya is the way to go imo, then ragnar or cali. Ragnar is the next one on my list to awa

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / [Chinese Cards] Upcoming Cards

Can either Trig or Saint confirm whether or not the “support” skills are are being released and if so, when. If not, can someone confirm the release of the specialist walls. It feels as if something should’ve been released for classes by now.

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / [Chinese Cards] Upcoming Cards

Originally posted by Matthew0805:

Havoc, plenty of skills can be considered OP in certain situations. Let me compare doppelganger with this mage skill

Doppelganger
CD1
Mastery (potential to return to hand at CD1)
Epic- 0%
Legendary- 8%
Godlike- 16%
Copies a creature card in target opponents hand and puts it into your hand at Full CD

Mage Skill
CD 5/4/3
Mastery- Always 0% (CD Decreases instead)
Epic- CD5
Legendary- CD4
Godlike- CD3
Copies Target creatures on the battlefield and places a copy of that creature onto the battlefield in front of your hero under your control.

So even at Godlike, you have to wait till turn 3 to play this mage skill and it’s guaranteed to go to your graveyard after you use it whereas with doppelganger you can fire it off on turn 1 AND it has a decent chance of coming back to your hand afterwards in legendary and godlike (if your Weapon is decent- Level 10+ on epic works well) and you have a decent ranger reputation. So with a double doppelganger opening hand I can copy 2 creatures (provided you have any) from your hand. I can play it twice and they can come back to my hand, allowing for more shenanigans next turn. Even if the Mage skill is in my opening hand I can’t play until turn 3 without intervention from creatures or allied heroes (priest zeal on turn 2 or turn 1/2 Battledrum {Version 1.0- Creatures- Halfblood- Walls}) are a couple of examples). So at best, I can play this card on turn 2 with intervention and it goes to my graveyard. How then do I get it back to my hand- 3 options.
1- Nuwa
2- Meditation
3- Djinn
1)Nuwa will send it back to the deck which is then shuffled. You have no guarantee of getting it out again quickly, even if you have multiple copies in your deck.
2)Meditation is a 5CD Skill {Version 1.0- Skills- Mages} that brings back 2 skill cards from your graveyard to your hand. Without shenanigans you can play this card on turn 5 (presuming its also in your opening hand) to recover the mage skill, which then comes back to your hand. You then need to wait, without shenanigans, for 3 turns (Minimum) to be able to play it again. With shenanigans (Your opening hand is Meditation and Mage Skill) you play this skill on turn 2 (Due to Zeal from your priest ally) and you have play your battledrum in play (it was your end of turn draw on turn 1) (meditation is now CD3). On turn 4 you play meditation and you regain your skill card. This is then inspired due to your battledrum. You can then play this skill next turn (or on turn 6, dependant upon inspire).
Remember, this is all very dependant upon draws. and upon the fact that there is something worth copying.
3)Djinn is a 6CD mage specialist {Special- Specialists} that can return 1 skill a turn to it’s summoners hand. It can be very dangerous if left on the field, and as such, most players will kill or disable it at the first opportunity. However, if you can keep it on the field for a few turn, you will get a regular rush of skills return to your hand (or the top of your deck, if your hand is full). Djinn would be my preffered option of recursion, however, in most cases it won’t last more than 2 or 3 turns, especially in multiplayer (2v2 or 4v4) and as such, it can be difficult to utilise and there is no guarantee that the skill you want will be the one to return to your hand.

Then there is the preemptiveness of doppelganger. Not only does it have an excellent countdown and a reasonable return rate, but there is also the fact that you gain an insight into what your opponent has in their hand. You can (in most cases) preempt what they are going to try and do and try and counter it. You also gain and an addition creature for the duration of the battle (it goes to the graveyard when it’s dead which means recursion is possible which I don’t- correct me if I’m wrong- believe is possible for the creature summoned by the mage skill)

Yes, the fact you have to wait for the creature to countdown with doppelganger doesn’t dimish it’s usefulness or value. I can play (with a bit of luck) 5 doppelgangers by turn the end of turn 2 whereas a mage would only be able to play at max 2 (only if a Priest ally had Zeal in their opening hand).

Yes, you have the potential to play a massive creature instantly, but the clincher is, does the thing you want to copy have nimble, or is there even something worth copying at all considering, for most games, it would be a 1 use skill per copy in the deck.

So, as you can see, the mage skill really isn’t that OP at all.

1. Not saying the mage skill (which I will just refer as ’ Copy’) is that OP on its own or shouldn’t be released, although i admit i can see how it could be. The devs for your servers decided that and henceforth, won’t be released.
2. You’re comparing dopple with this new copy skill which there are several points i think you’ve missed.

A) The cd difference is 1 and 3-4. Dopple wins, sure.
B) For returning ill ignore nuwa since both can use as well as other creatures. Dopple has a small return rate 8-16%, leg-gl and Copy can be returned using Djinn and meditation. Dopple is a chance to bounce (yea yea rates and stuff I know I use it) and djinn and med have a chance to draw the skills. Played right, you CAN for sure return to your deck atleast. I give the edge to Copy but some could argue its the same. Both have (argueably) the same draw chance, so ill ignore that as well.
C) The creature you copy. Dopple copies a random creature from the selected opponents hand. The creature copied is random, the cd is set to max, and if there’s no creature, no copy. Copy on the other hand let’s you choose the creature you copy, yes it has to be on the field. But, it’s any creature and automatically played regardless if it’s an elite.
D) One gets a random card at its max cd. One gets a selected one put on the field. The fun thing to do? Copy djinns ( I know, not an elite) and recycle all skills from grave. Copy an awa or two, 2 awakened Saryas (-20hp from wither)? 2 awakened Ragnars?

My point is that roughly they are equal, the 3-4 cd of Copy cancelled with the cd of the creature Dopple copies, EXCEPT when it breaks the rule of elites. The whole point of elites, only controlling one per side at a time. Only other thing that does, so far, is Void the tarot which is randomized only from the tarots and is a bug in my opinion but that’s me.

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / [Chinese Cards] Upcoming Cards

Originally posted by dudemcbob:
Originally posted by Max112:
Originally posted by Havoc21:
Originally posted by Matthew0805:

The mage skill isn’t that OP. Yeah, it’s good, but so is Doppelganger, so is Heavenly Help, so is Lacerate. I think support just needs to suck it up and release them, mage skill included.

The problem is that it ignores cd and can copy any elite. It has already been decided that it won’t be released and i highly doubt that decision will change. Sorry :/

They should just nerf it by disabling the ability to have two elites with same names…

That would work, but I don’t think they will do it since I’m guessing it would require changing some of the core game files. Remember that our devs don’t make the game, they just pay for the rights to translate and republish it. So they want to avoid getting their hands dirty with coding as much as possible, because they are probably less familiar with the game code than a usual developer.

+1

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Every Card has a Counter (Creature or skill)

Every creature or skill has a counter, yes, but not every class has that counter. Obvious but true.

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / [Chinese Cards] Upcoming Cards

Originally posted by Matthew0805:

The mage skill isn’t that OP. Yeah, it’s good, but so is Doppelganger, so is Heavenly Help, so is Lacerate. I think support just needs to suck it up and release them, mage skill included.

The problem is that it ignores cd and can copy any elite. It has already been decided that it won’t be released and i highly doubt that decision will change. Sorry :/

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / [Chinese Cards] Upcoming Cards

Originally posted by Cheesecakeluv:

They might just not release any of them because the mage skill isn’t being released.

That’s unfortunate, was looking forward to the ranger one in particular. Does this mean the next set of class cards are the towers?

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / [Chinese Cards] Upcoming Cards

So…are the ‘support’ skills coming out at all?

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Rise of Mythos 2.0 is here! (Maintenance Patch Notes for Dec 16)

Originally posted by 858isaac:
Originally posted by Havoc21:
Originally posted by LukeR168:
Originally posted by Havoc21:
Originally posted by CannabisGaming:

Uhmm where is our 500k silver for getiting your fanpage to 100k likes???? probably scammed us just for likes.

i almost forgot lol its rom so it could take a bit to send out but who knows

Did that page even make it to 100k?

atm, 146,618. so i think we made it but it does say BEFORE the 28th

wrong page https://www.facebook.com/ancientsummonerofficial/

my mistake, ty. only 98k. dang lol

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Rise of Mythos 2.0 is here! (Maintenance Patch Notes for Dec 16)

Originally posted by LukeR168:
Originally posted by Havoc21:
Originally posted by CannabisGaming:

Uhmm where is our 500k silver for getiting your fanpage to 100k likes???? probably scammed us just for likes.

i almost forgot lol its rom so it could take a bit to send out but who knows

Did that page even make it to 100k?

atm, 146,618. so i think we made it but it does say BEFORE the 28th

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Rise of Mythos 2.0 is here! (Maintenance Patch Notes for Dec 16)

Originally posted by CannabisGaming:

Uhmm where is our 500k silver for getiting your fanpage to 100k likes???? probably scammed us just for likes.

i almost forgot lol its rom so it could take a bit to send out but who knows

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Forbidden Zone

I want to know too o.o

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Black Opal fragments???

Originally posted by MohammedK107:

out of topic any one knows how to get DRAKE awakening fragment (dragon stuff) , and is there a chance for a none vip to get black opal fragment ?

Eventually there will be a Dragon VIP boss. We know this because the chinese server got one recently so its a matter of time (of course that could be quite awhile). As far as non-vip, its unclear except maybe through some events. Hope helped some, source from chinese server: http://imgur.com/a/wcpGq, for images.

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Black Opal fragments???

Originally posted by skull8266:
Originally posted by RoyalJaguar:

Black Fragments are a really big deal and a very valuable gift. Perhaps they want to encourage those who have a few fragments to work towards getting VIP 4 and spending $60, the same cost as most every computer game out there.

Seems reasonable to me. Perhaps they should have only given black frags to those VIP 4 and up and give race frags to VIP 3 or lower.

How would that have made you feel?

Where else can you get Black opal frags from for being vip4? I haven’t seen them anywhere yet :o

You get them from supremacy, got 700 points and you get silver and 9 frags. 700 pts = 6 free packs and 1 pack you buy, 700g. Of course, that’s if maintenance hasn’t messed with it fro appearing but we all know the drill there.

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Rise of Mythos 2.0 is here! (Maintenance Patch Notes for Dec 16)

If they gave us 30 on day 4 that would even out and not be overly ambitious i believe. 45 frags, halfway to a stone, would probably give alot of incentive to start spending on supremacy to low vip and maybe some f2ps.

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Rise of Mythos 2.0 is here! (Maintenance Patch Notes for Dec 16)

Originally posted by Cheesecakeluv:

Would like to emphasize that Trig is a volunteer and is an absolute saint for continuing to provide updates with the best information he has available to spite the constant complaints/attacks. Hate on GameFuse if you want, but anyone hating on Trig has to be insane with all the work he puts into this community.

If you haven’t figured it out by now, maints are always going to be buggy because of the way the devs do them and new features are always going to be fairly ambiguous so wait for some whales to puzzle things out before wasting your hard-earned resources. That’s just part of the game at this point.

Completely agree

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Christmas Daily Login Request

Originally posted by death1717:

I like how k&l gets better rewards in their first 5 days than we do throughout 34

Well its about the same, 2 legs (1 opal 1 box, dont count vixen really since quests but to each their own) so, roughly

 
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Topic: Rise of Mythos / Christmas Daily Login Request

Originally posted by Mardoek:
Originally posted by SimonV3:

This year, the daily xmas login reward is a pure shame, Vixen as final gift? seriously? when we get her in quests since 3 days? WTF? are you on drugs seriously? who care about soul or energy fragments btw? just wtf?!

We get leg cards in the event quests. It seems to until christmas. I don’t mind 10 leg elites or so for christmas (1 every 2 days). We didn’t had that last year. We didn’t had a second daily login in december either (that 10 day). Back to battle return gives also some items (didn’t existed last year). So look to the improved content around it, not just the 24 days login. Don’t rage so much.

This isn’t just about the login but its one of the things we can compare to to previous years. Login is one of the best things for f2p, and vips of course, because it is truly free. For the logins, 2 is NOT always better than 1. 31 days compare to 24 + 10 is only a 3 days difference and this years is quite a letdown by comparison. We all received a free ruby from Thanksgiving, so since Christmas is a much bigger event/holiday, i think i can say we ALL expected more from rom than this.

The b2b wasn’t around last year for Christmas and it first appeared well after, i believe around June. The second point about b2b is we got The World, a tarot!, and one of the better one’s in my opinion. Very gracious of rom, going beyond what i expected and because of that we expect them to continue a similar trend, especially at a time like this.

Don;t get me wrong, i think in general they are going in the right direction-new events, continually changing effects, cards and meta-but this hybrid thing sounds like a money pit now we cant enhance epics. I get the business part of it but almost 1.7k just to TRY for a good LEG is ridiculous. Better to spend that gold on an extra supremacy for a godlike or packs like master skill 4 or tarot than a spin of a wheel, in my opinion.

In short, login is a joke (fragments and other things we get daily by routine stuff is absurd, “plenty” is NOT 70k silver, hybrid is cool but enhance is sad and widens low/fsp and high vip/whale gap, and most of all rom is losing my hope/faith and attention. Shout out to Trig for all the help and communication he shares with us. ALWAYS look forward and stay up for your maintenance posts and notes.

^^ Anniversary Fest, TheSilverKing (VIP7-PS: not a whale o.o)