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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

Well it’s a very interesting question I mean why wouldn’t a god lie towards all religions if it’s just to give some level of guidance and then see who starts punching/stabbing/arrowing/shooting/bombing/nuking each other so you know who not to let into heaven? It seems a more interesting method then giving one group the correct cheat sheet and the rest an inaccurate piece of paper.
So please explain why would an almighty being give the correct explanation of what he is doing? If you don’t know feel free to admit it or ask someone who might now (your rabbi for example) and then see if you agree with him or with me. If you continue to disagree explain why.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Robin Williams Suicide

I think he was arguing in times of war a soldier throwing himself onto a grenade or blowing himself up with his enemies is a form of suicide but to protect others. You could of course classify something like that as something other then suicide but to me suicide is literally any action that you take which you are aware of will kill you in a short-middle timeframe (no more then a couple of days as otherwise smoking could be considered a form of attempted suicide).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

Originally posted by vikaTae:

Thijser’s argument somebody is that if we’re already using those religious concepts, why do we need organised religion? If it’s so deeply ingrained by now, then we can ignore the organised religions completely and it won’t make any difference in the end.

Exactly and if a god is all-knowing then he should be able to predict this making the question why any god would inform anybody of the true religion. Another valid option is of course that such an almighty being instead provided different people with different ideas that all contain the same basic rules but a different backstory just to test if humans will begin to attack one another over it? Seems like an interesting way to up the challenge.
Even so that means that not following a religion shouldn’t matter and that just being good is valid.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

somebody so why do we need religion at this point? Why couldn’t some almighty being just send down a few disguised angels as parents to the first humans and then let culture take it’s course from then on? Why tell us that if we behave well we will be rewarded? Why not just teach to be good without any kind of punishment for being evil or reward for being good but just good for the sake of being good? If atheists around the world are capable then surely all people are capable of it by choice.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

You probably are a decent person – but you AREN’T “outside of religious influence zone”.

I find this somewhat disputable, sure I grew up in a country that was original protestant but my grandparents, parents and myself are all atheistic. And it took quite a number of years before I actually befriended anyone with a religious belief. So I was mainly raised by an atheistic environment with religions ideas coming from 4-5 generations ago which largely eroded these views. But let’s say that through those 3-4 generations my views are based on them that means that apparently moral codes do not need religion as their vehicle. Maybe we require a religion to create moral codes but they persist without it.

To NOT “be merciful to villains and cruel to victims”, which is a possible case when your morals are YOURS and only YOURS, based on YOUR personal tastes.

Can’t you be merciful to both? And I don’t believe in villains I believe in misguided individuals and evil ideologies rather then evil persons and those with psychological diseases.

Maybe oversimplified, but it still clearly shows that a PERSONAL moral code is prone to mistakes, whereas a moral code made by the CREATOR (this being the KEY point here) is not prone to mistakes for the simplest reason of being made ACCORDINGLY to the human nature (and thus enabling to judge it from the right angle).

I’m very worried about those that claim to speak law in the name of a god rather then the law of the land or their own code. To often have those who wielded the word of god killed those who didn’t belief in the same god or had a different interpretation. Same for anybody who wielded their ideology as reason to speak law(Nazi’s,Spanish inquisition,Witch hunters, ISIS and many others).

But yes I do believe that religion fulfils certain needs. Prayer can provide with a bit of self reflection that many people seem to need. And a number of people seem unable to deal with the not knowing certain things but do not want to spend or are unable to find the answers in another way.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

How then would we KNOW what’s “good” and what’s “bad”?

So if nobody told you murdering is wrong you would be going on a killing spree? If you knew there was no god you would be stealing everything you could find? I don’t think there is a god yet I operate with my own moral code, so it’s possible to have a moral code without being religious (mine is based heavily on a hacker manifesto I found online combined with some other values I added myself where I felt it lacking. The end result became a moral system that besides the common things like murder and stealing heavily favors the weaker party, freedom of information, the right of privacy and freedom of speech).

This still doesn’t mean we WEREN’T WARNED and EDUCATED.

So those born with parents of the correct religion get an easy ride? And those who never met somebody of the right faith is facing a much harder test? That seems very fair. And if it’s all about a test why does kissing up with the almighty being get you bonus points? Most flawed human teachers are more impartial then that!

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / IF god was real why dosnt he fix the world we live in now

That’s still doesn’t even remotely “prove” that there is no Judge – just that WE are made UNAWARE of how He judges.

This creates an interesting question, why would a god that uses this system inform certain people that there is a “cheat sheet”? After all doesn’t that give certain people a big advantage? Wouldn’t it be fairer to not give any person any advice and then see who behaves good and who behaves evil? So if this is true does that mean that every single religion is wrong, yet that there is a god?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / I have a religious obligation to wear a colander on my head!

Jan, I bet you that I can make you fail a quiz on Judaism in a wink.

You were the one who believed Judaism hasn’t changed in 2000 years and that it was all a unified whole without any different Denominations. In fact what info do you think we wouldn’t know about, because you keep calling us ignorant without actually pointing out where our knowledge of the Jewish fate is wrong?

And simply shrugging the other info side as “fairy tales” is very unscientific for the very reason that “science” itself had undergone enough crucial changes that include making a lot of its prior statements into “fairy tales” for the more modern science.

So calling one side modern paganism that is just an excuse to let someone’s morals fade is OK in your book? And where did we call it “fairy tales” after all that is a needless generalization not all atheists are doing that we aren’ t, you had to barge in and claim you had the ultimate faith, isn’ t it then logical that we begin picking your argument apart
,especially if it’s based on the belief of one unified Jewish belief?

I hate idiotic excuses like “I’m more intelligent than you, because my religion is science, and your includes a non-scientific God”.

You do realize Janto is calling you dumb not your religion? Not a nice thing to do and fairly add hominem but not an attack at your beliefs. Sure there are a number of atheists that will but saying that most of us do so is another sweeping generalization. I think the reason many atheists have however taken up this idea is that when arguing with religious people it often is: 1 religion person proclaims religion is correct because of x, 2 x is questioned and either found to be incorrect or no actual evidence, 3 religious person begins to try and point out that one time a single measurement was incorrect 4 it’s pointed out that yes sometimes our measurements are incorrect 5 religious persons proclaims this means science is wrong and he is correct. I hope you can see why this means some people have become a little bit tired of this (not saying every religious person does this but it happens quite often)?

Perhaps a better question is “how many people are required to gain ‘cult’ status?” and “how many people are required to be considered a full blown religion?”

Well the number of Pastafarians is quite large. I don’ t know how many but there were 3 in Highschool and enough in my university to hold weekly meetings and stage protests whenever their religious freedoms are being trampled, such as when they weren’t allowed to deduct their beer from their taxes.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The Bombing Of Gaza

If it is to be changed then either a message must be send towards Rolby or towards one of the mods because we cannot change it and Rolby isn’t active in SD.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / I have a religious obligation to wear a colander on my head!

I’m not that sure that the ancient pagans were that idiotically stupid to actually BELIEVE that these stones and wood chunks had ANY real power.

Why would’ t they? After all if it’s really just an excuse to give in to their lowest desires then why do they need the stones anyway? It seems an awful lot of work to construct say the ancient greek Pantheon as nothing more then an excuse. By the way I suppose that this also means you believe that it’s stupid to belief that Jerusalem (just a bunch of stones) holds any real power.

Nope, the REAL reason for paganism is that it allows for the lowliest desires to be “excused through religion”.

So that is where the vestal virgins came from.
That’s why we see paganism juxtaposed with orgies and lewdness – because it’s what “allows” it on “official” (“religious”) basis, whereas the monotheistic ideas mostly require self-restraint and modesty (of different kinds).

No that is what you get if you view history through the lens of +-1800 years of dominance of another religion trying to make the other religions look bad. If you look at the ancient greek stories for example then sure the heroes can have sex with multiple woman they just don’ t have it at the same time. The greeks were literally unable to even imagine an orgy, so where does that image come from?

But that’s exactly what “atheism” is all about – to let the HUMAN decide one’s own limits in modesty and self-restraint, in other words – to REMOVE those at one’s whim.

You mean to be able to control oneself without being held at gunpoint by some almighty being? The ability to decide for oneself what is good and what is evil without asking some almighty being. If I wanted to I could probably earn thousands a day hacking bank accounts. But I don’t because I have decided that doing so is immoral. So clearly I have some ability in deciding good and evil.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Genetic engineering and "playing God"

If the dimensions of the limb are too far outsized compared to the dimensions of the other limb (or out of proportion to the body if both limbs are prosthetic) then it is going to call attention to the fact they are prosthetic. Not everyone wishes that.

Ah yes but you could create separate limbs for social events and work/at home. I remember in high school where there was a girl who had a prosthetic that was almost indistinguishable from a normal leg when she was moving normally (normal walking or sitting), it utilised a simple preprogrammed walking movements allow little variantion. But when she was sporting she switched towards a far less normal looking leg (something akin to the bladerunner we discussed earlier).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Genetic engineering and "playing God"

So it’s mostly a storage problem. What happens if you move the battery to someone’s back and then start using these things: http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/robotics/robotics-hardware/fishing-line-makes-superhuman-artificial-muscles Wouldn’t that in principle allow you to safe a lot of space and thus make every sub part do it’s movements internally? Or maybe make them a little bit wider so as to accommodate each part having whatever it needs internally? What do you move around anyway? I mean you have a certain amount of required power and thus batteries (can’t really get around that). I suppose you could move the location where you store the power but the position of the motors cannot be changed that much. So what do you move around?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Genetic engineering and "playing God"

The real problem is that the modules themselves won’t be standardised, and will have to be different sizes according to the arm radius of the client, as well as have to contain different components themselves depending on how much space there was to place bits.

Wouldn’t this just require a single custom made transition piece? If you can get the length+size towards a standardized length/radius. If your forearm is cut at a length of 15cm from the closest standardized length you get a 15cm lengthening unit, sure you might have to custom make those but it’s effectively just a bunch of wires maybe a power supply and a carbon/titanium pipe with plating around it. Sure it might not be perfect but it can be so much cheaper (if you can reduce the remaining pieces down to say 6 series then you might suddenly be talking about 5000 (quick estimate based on how much in my experience mass production can shave off the price of an item)dollar prosthetics, within reach of anyone).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / I have a religious obligation to wear a colander on my head!

In my view it is all dependend on whatever something like this causes damage towards the purpose of the photo. This might also be why certain departments refuse it and other allow it. I can see a very clear shine on the headgear which can throw off automatic face recognition(in the Netherlands you are for example not allowed to smille on most offical pictures as otherwise the shine of your teeth can throw of the system).
But in my view if something does not interfere you should be allowed to do whatever you want (if you are not hurting anyone/your own performance(if it’s a job)).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Genetic engineering and "playing God"

This is one of the reasons I would like to modularise. We have fitted children with prosthetics quite a few times. The child grows whilst the prosthetic doesn’t. Being able to swap sections out without replacingthe whole thing would make it cheaper for everyone concerned as well.

But when dealing with children I suppose you cannot use the anchor spike right? After all the bones will continue to grow and then you are “stuck” with a ancor that is to small.

What I am intered in is trying to compartmentalise it. Let’s say for example, our subject has a hard tissue implant halfway down the upper arm.

You seem to be thinking very much in terms of the current systems. I think far more can be achieved by making more generilzed parts. So that would be:
Port: Part to slide of spike (we will always need this)
Lengthening unit: provides same input as output but at a distance, standardized size(effectifly few cm long pipe that does nothing(can be fitted with battery)).
Joint: can be programmed to bend/release at one or multiple signals, futhers any input to next section.
Connector part: allows multiple (smaller) parts to be connected to it.
Open end: allows for easy connection with 3rd party tools (usb 3.0 or something like that).
Closed end: effectifly a finger tip.
With these parts you can make almost any system and as long as you can program the joints properly this allows you to easily create new limbs and by allowing 3rd party connectors you can allow for some truely great performance (put the usb 3.0 into a computer and call it a keyboard).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Genetic engineering and "playing God"

Fine making a discussion on human genetic modifications requite an understanding of the alternatives of which these prosthetics are one. If you want to see how just read the thread.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Genetic engineering and "playing God"

Originally posted by yeasy:
Originally posted by thijser:

If you read the topic you will be able to find out. We started out discussing genetic engineering then genetic engineering and humans then the general future of humans and alternatives to genetic engineering.

So, basically… you ignored OP and derailed thread to offtop?
Chit-chat instead discussion?

We are discussing a specific argument in depth. If you go back you can see what argument and how it relates to the discussion. Now this sub discussion if really off topic.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Genetic engineering and "playing God"

If you read the topic you will be able to find out. We started out discussing genetic engineering then genetic engineering and humans then the general future of humans and alternatives to genetic engineering.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Genetic engineering and "playing God"

Not a joint, a connection. With the image I posted before, I asked you to look at the wrist. That is not the wrist joint. The wrist joint is another module that connector plugs into. It’s done like that so if the hand breaks for any reason we can just unplug it and plug another one in.

Yes but I can easily imagine some of the bigger prosthetics weighing around 10 kg. Lifting that much weight with one hand especially if you are physically weak (an old woman for example) then you might not be able to put it on.

If they have applied for and been granted a lisence from us to make those connectors, then there is no problem, and we take a specific cut from each segment made, and demand a certain quality of workmanship in a legally binding agreement. If they’re doing it because they feel it would be ‘cool’ or to undercut our business, we take them to court and wipe the floor with them. Every existing prosthetics manufacturer would join us there, as we’re not going to let some fly-by-night firm use the product of our hard earned research for free.


What I meant was that I create a system that can interface with the sockets placed in/on somebodies limbs so that they have a choice between 2 different companies despite already having the implant from one company.
After an idiot injured himself trying to play about with putting a cheaper replacement battery in, part of the legal requirement of accepting the limb is now that you do not mess with the battery. If you need a higher capacity one will will supply and fit it.

My vision was that you have a small battery inside the limb (only going to function for say 15 minutes), but with a wire towards a backpack/pocket/whatever battery that is placed on your body. After you put on the limb you can use it to connect the battery to the limb itself. Maybe combine that with induction chargers so you can further reduce the required capacity of the battery, or just make it so that it’s very easy to switch between preaproved batteries (I don’t need a license to switch out my AAA batteries either). If there is a problem with people trying to put in car batteries a small circuit can recognize that the correct battery was inserted and else not allow any power to flow trough. If they manage to hurt themselves with the car battery before it’s in their limb it’s very clearly their problem.

I think the main advantage of making the limb itself lighter is that you can then cut corners on weight savings of some of the parts (I know how expensive carbon can get). If you downgrade carbon to titanium or titanium to stainless steel you can probably save a lot of costs and use parts that are already in use for robotics. Potentially reducing the cost towards more reasonable levels (and the more people buy these limbs the easier it gets to mass produce and thus further reduce cost).

The advantage I see towards having easier modifiable limbs is that it would allow someone to take the limbs he needs the most at a specific point. Imagine someone who lifts heavy stuff for his work. He might take a shorter and less dexterous but stronger limb for his work, he then goes home and has a problem petting his kitten unless he switches out towards a very dexterous, sensitive and probably weak limb that is specialized in providing feedback. He then starts cleaning the window requiring a longer limb ext. If you can make it so that all of these limbs are affordable and easy to switch between you can then get a lot closer towards providing the full functionality of the human limb (through you will need to switch limbs all day long).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The Bombing Of Gaza

I very recently had a talk with an Israeli.

I have spoken with someone who fled Pakistan, he was in two bombardments and well was forced to flee the country.

He also was surprised as to why am I focusing on terrorism so much – cause he also doesn’t worry about it.

So what you are saying is that the local population is not that worried about Hamas where as the Palestinians form that area are very afraid what does that show you?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / TPP(MASS JOB LOSS) IN MY OPINON

Alot of jobs or potential employee’s will be lost as the companies look for more skilled worker

So companies are finally going for skill again rather then moving all jobs towards China? Good to know, where do I sign for this?

Now small bussiness and even schools will be taken over and governments will be sued by corporations

I’m sorry but doesn’ t the government run the legal system in most countries? And don’ t most governments either obey the rules or are actually behaving in a way they shouldn’t ?

The governments have learned from WTo project so this time its being kept secret and anyone talks goes to jail.

Wait is the government going to sue itself? If they are already on this why would’t they privatize schools without any complex world taking over plans?

In fact if companies will start to look for more skilled workers does that mean that when they take over schools their level will be increased? After all it seems the easiest way to get more skilled workers.

Note that I do agree there should be rules against to much lobbying but there is no plan to take over the world by any company (except Facebook, google, apple and microsoft but they all have to first take each other out so we are good).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / God is fake.

Well if there is a god why hasn’t he given any evidence of his existance? If for depending on your belief humanity has existed at least 2000 years then why is there still no good evidence (and if it’s longer that just makes it worse)? The acting of a god would leave traces unless specifically countered. This suggest that if there is a god he is avoiding being found. Seeing as how omnipotent beings are unlikely to make mistakes it would seem likely that if this is the case there will be no evidence. One exception is that a number of beliefs believe in evidence coming from the end of the world. If this is the case then there might be some evidence there just won’t be anybody to enjoy it.


There’s a pretty “scientific” evidence that despite 2000 years of constant RELIGIOUS and CULTURAL oppression, there still ARE religious Jews that follow the same Judaism and the same Torah Laws worldwide from Alaska to Japan and from Moscow to Melbourne.

Hinduism has a longer streak record being 5000 years old (compared to the Jewish fate at 4000 years).
And they are split up the Ashkenazim and the Sephardimor the Samaritan and Judaism Heresy.png Karaite.With a number of 18 million there aren’t that many jews in the world to split into various groups (unlike say christianity or Muslim faith).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_denominations
If you want to see how fractured the Jewish fate really is.
So no they are not that united and that does not prove anything. And where did I say the Jewish fate was wrong?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The Bombing Of Gaza

IF YOU SURVIVE.

So you are suggesting that Israel’s actions aren’t that bad and then I’m overestimating them because I will most likely die if I go to Gaza? Between Israel’s attacks, now if you had asked me to go to Israel I could have understood but Gaza…

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The Bombing Of Gaza

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

Yes a list that shows the last suicide bombing was 6 years ago, seems like they have in fact stopped suicide bombings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_Second_Intifada

Another conflict 9 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_against_Israeli_civilians_before_1967

almost 50 years ago.

Can you show me what they have done recently. Specifically since Hamas has properly taken control of the nation? The more sources you show me the more I get the feeling that since they took over things have been more controlled.


Oh, and also THIS:
http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/17144/hamas-chief-blesses-kidnappers-blames-israel-abductions/#ssvjsQrbGjzdeSi1.97

What I see is a lot of question marks and “we can neither denny nor confirm”. To me that does not sound all that damming as it’s entirely possible some third party attempted to place blame on Israel or that Israel is engaging in some sort of play or that maybe indeed Palainians are to blame for this one.

But let’s assume that is correct can you explain how this makes the use of white phoshorus correct? What about something like this: http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/04/gaza-israeli-soldiers-shoot-and-kill-fleeing-civilians ?

A 2012 report jointly issued by aid organizations Save the Children and Britain’s Medical Aid for Palestinians found that 10 percent of Gaza children under five had stunted growth due to malnutrition and that 68 percent of pre-school children and 58 percent of children of school age suffered from anaemia
In October 2012 an Israeli human rights group forced Israel to disclose a 2008 document that calculated that Gaza’s 1.5 million inhabitants needed 2,279 calories per person a day to avoid malnutrition and widespread starvation. The Israeli military disputes critics’ claims it used the guidelines during its blockade of Gaza to restrict food shipments to Gaza in order to put pressure on Hamas

So can you see how starving a population is going to cause trouble.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / God is fake.

Originally posted by yeasy:
Originally posted by karmakoolkid:
Originally posted by yeasy:

“There is no factual evidence, and there never will be.

Have you anything to support that claim?
You use type of argument, that you personally discredit.

Bravo.

Does he really need anything to support (what likely is) merely an OPINION? You even tacitly agree when you qualify his statement as being a personal argument/position on the issue.

I well imagine he has a little something that does support his personal opinion.


It doesn’t matter, If it’s opinion or not. He’s contrary with his own view.
He discredits claim basing on lack of evidence, but he makes similar one.


…and yes, he’s making claim. He didn’t say anything like: ‘I think’, ‘In my opinion’.
He’s making direct statements in ‘SD’ forum.


As depending on your belief humanity has been around for somewhere between forever and 2500 years and there is no strong evidence of a god of any kind (except for some scriptures which tend to contradict each other making it unlikely they are all that trustworthy). It seems likely that there are 2 options: 1 there is no god or 2: there is a god but he is preventing us from finding any evidence, as omnipotent beings are unlikely to screw up this also results in no evidence ever being found.