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Topic: Serious Discussion / Was math invented or discovered?

Originally posted by 0Gamer0:

Considering that it doesn’t necessarily correspond to anything in nature and that we can arbitrarily choose axioms (provided that they are mutually consistent) , I’d say that it is invented.

The problem with this is that we can change around how we wish to call things and how we define things, we can even change in what type of reality we wish to look but fundamentally math remains the same. If we work in a plane then the sum of two sides of a triangle will always be bigger then it’s third side. This is a truth no matter if you decide to call a triangle a square.

Even if we decide to pick arbritrary axioms then we are merly exploring a different reality then ours. If I state that the trianle inequality does not hold that I can probably create a valid universe (assuming no other axiom creates a paradox). And this universe is something we can explore with rules that will themselves be valid no matter what you do.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Whaling

What species do you think we could hunt nowadays? After all most whales have a really long life cycle and the oceans are also being disturbed by trade lanes so what types of whales do you think we could hunt?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Effects of Increasing Minimum Wage. Is it good or bad?

Yhea but the question is would having fewer cashiers still work? After all if there are to many customers per cashier then they can no longer be served and that means lost sales. So it’s far more likely that they end up either increasing the price of the goods or slashing higher wages to compensate for the costs.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Effects of Increasing Minimum Wage. Is it good or bad?

If a company can lay off workers with minimal effect on sells then why hasn’t it done so yet? Most companies are not going to fire most of their minimal wage employees because the minimal wages increase for the simple reason that without those minimal wage employees the company cannot run. There is the interesting effect that if say mac donalts was to fire it’s entire corparate mangment the company would be fine for quite a while but if it was to fire all of it’s cashiers the effects would be far more noticable…

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Effects of Increasing Minimum Wage. Is it good or bad?

The questions is by how much? It appears most sources agree that doubling minimal wages would increase food prices by somewhere between 10 and 40%, this is less then 100%.

Of course if you disagree with me on that basic math I have a proposal for you: you give me 1000 dollar (or euro your choice really) and I give you 100 dollar or (euro) twice. You give me money once and I give you money twice so that must be twice as good right?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Which candidate would you vote for so that he/she can run for president

Can I also make a request? Could all Americans please vote for someone who has a bit of clue on how the internet works? Someone who understands banning encryption is a very stupid idea, that fundamentally what the NSA does is a huge waste of money simply because of the massive number of false positives and that we really don’t want another CISA?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Effects of Increasing Minimum Wage. Is it good or bad?

Alright then this is a repost of my post on the other topic:

Alright my vision on the whole minimal wage thing:
First up what would happend with say a fastfood place(franchise) if it the minimal wage was doubled? Well it’s labour cost would almost double (managers might receive less of a raise). This would be an inmidiate effect. Now seeing as they will seek to maintain the same (quite low) profit margins they will have to raise the price of food. Now the question is by about how much? Well this seems to be not something we can quickly google but if we look at how they have to buy ingredients, pay to the brand, rent a building and all sorts of other things we can reasonably state that the price will less then double. This goes for the vast majority of busnesses. This means that those with the lowests incomes will now have more money to be able to afford basic living. Now who pays for this? Well those we are nowhere near the minimal wage will have to pay more for those who are working minimal wages.

Now as far as what the relation is between productivity and how much they should be payed? Well sadly there is fairly little in the current econemy. Why? Well because the current situation makes it very hard to be unemployed and therefor everyone wants a job (well almost everyone). And there are a lot of jobless people. This means that if you do not posses a skillset that is in limited supply (STEM field or good networking skills) you are going to receive shitty pay because you can be replaced by someone working for less. So get an education, sure but then who is going to be flipping burgers? The fact is that if everyone got a STEM college degree then those fields would no longer be in short supply the wages would fall and we would be looking ofr a different skill set that is being paid next to nothing. And who would be flipping burgers? Yes it would be those same STEM graudates so just “get an education” is not going to eliminate the problem. Forcing a minimal wage that actually covers the cost of living will.

However this is just a first step because no matter what we do over the next 80 years more and more jobs will be getting replaced by machines. Current estimates place comercial self driving cars at around 2020 (5 years from now). Transportation currently employes a huge number of people (something like 10%) who will start becoming unemployed somewhere between 2020 and 2030. As time passes more and more other jobs will start being done by computers, auto doctors, automated math systems, fully automated greenhouses and cleaning robots are all systems that I know are being made right now meaning that there is a good chance that some of these will suceed and huge unemployment will follow. Now this will result in those with no limited skillset will face thougher and thougher conditions while those who still have a skillset that has not yet been replaced will continue to earn more and more. This can either be solved by massive socialist governement actions or result in greater and greater inequality as the 1% becomes the 0.1% and then the 0.01% and the 99% (99.99%) become poorer and poorer. The end result of that can only be violent as we have seen every time great social change occured.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Which candidate would you vote for so that he/she can run for president

Alright my vision on the whole minimal wage thing:
First up what would happend with say a fastfood place(franchise) if it the minimal wage was doubled? Well it’s labour cost would almost double (managers might receive less of a raise). This would be an inmidiate effect. Now seeing as they will seek to maintain the same (quite low) profit margins they will have to raise the price of food. Now the question is by about how much? Well this seems to be not something we can quickly google but if we look at how they have to buy ingredients, pay to the brand, rent a building and all sorts of other things we can reasonably state that the price will less then double. This goes for the vast majority of busnesses. This means that those with the lowests incomes will now have more money to be able to afford basic living. Now who pays for this? Well those we are nowhere near the minimal wage will have to pay more for those who are working minimal wages.

Now as far as what the relation is between productivity and how much they should be payed? Well sadly there is fairly little in the current econemy. Why? Well because the current situation makes it very hard to be unemployed and therefor everyone wants a job (well almost everyone). And there are a lot of jobless people. This means that if you do not posses a skillset that is in limited supply (STEM field or good networking skills) you are going to receive shitty pay because you can be replaced by someone working for less. So get an education, sure but then who is going to be flipping burgers? The fact is that if everyone got a STEM college degree then those fields would no longer be in short supply the wages would fall and we would be looking ofr a different skill set that is being paid next to nothing. And who would be flipping burgers? Yes it would be those same STEM graudates so just “get an education” is not going to eliminate the problem. Forcing a minimal wage that actually covers the cost of living will.

However this is just a first step because no matter what we do over the next 80 years more and more jobs will be getting replaced by machines. Current estimates place comercial self driving cars at around 2020 (5 years from now). Transportation currently employes a huge number of people (something like 10%) who will start becoming unemployed somewhere between 2020 and 2030. As time passes more and more other jobs will start being done by computers, auto doctors, automated math systems, fully automated greenhouses and cleaning robots are all systems that I know are being made right now meaning that there is a good chance that some of these will suceed and huge unemployment will follow. Now this will result in those with no limited skillset will face thougher and thougher conditions while those who still have a skillset that has not yet been replaced will continue to earn more and more. This can either be solved by massive socialist governement actions or result in greater and greater inequality as the 1% becomes the 0.1% and then the 0.01% and the 99% (99.99%) become poorer and poorer. The end result of that can only be violent as we have seen every time great social change occured.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Foetuses most vulnerable

A more general question is is something that happens in nature good by definition and is something that does not happen in nature by definition evil? Is giving medicine to someone with cancer evil because it’s not natural? And is letting handicapped people starve good because they would have starved in nature?

And if you believe the first is not evil and that the second is evil then can you explain how it matters what is natural?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Should Adobe Kill Flash?

The problem is that due to the way flash works it will always be rife with securty exploits. This means that untill we dismantle flash there are going to be regular problems. For most flash things html5 will probably suffice but for games unity will likely take the place. Then again I don’t think abobe has much reason to shuw down their own application.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Landscape lovers unite

First of all a coal power plant does in fact destroy the landscape just as much as a windmill. It just does so on a more global scale. For example the following is an image of coral bleaching (underwater landscape) that shows what happens when ocean acidity or temperature increases:

on the left before or the right after

There are other forms by which a coal plant can do damage to the landscape, here for example we see an image of what happens when poorly build coal plants cause acidic rain:

Then there is also the fact that coal plants can produce a lot of smog. Resulting in images such as these:

Ah how beautiful all of these images are with no windmills in sight….

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gay Marriage: A Great Loss for Moralism

I could ask the same on the particular group of people begging for gay marriage.

Well a quick google suggests that 63% of the population is in favour of gay marriage that at least makes it democratic. In a few months this will likely rise to 66% which could even allow for a constitutional if that had been neccessary (it isn’t/wasn’t).


Discriminatory? Homosexuality is fine, but the license of their marriage likewise ‘discriminates’ others. In the manner that it ignores their tradition which is just as discriminatory. Not for me though, instead I merely find it disgusting

care to elaborate on this?


The relativism of morals. Needless to say that morals are the foundation of social and natural order.

Care to explain what moral is being severed and how this moral is the basis of society? Currently all you are saying is that it’s bad because it’s not moral (moral meaning it’s bad) so the reason it’s bad is because it’s bad?

If people (not dickweeds) regularly shift notions of what is ‘normal and natural’, then there is no strong sense of ‘normal and unnatural’. If constitutions operates like this, then it offers no definite ‘rights and freedoms’ and would as well license us to do anything. About ‘equal justice’: All justices are equal. Not all equalities are just.

if a majority of the population is in favour of something and it is supported by the constitution and the pressident is in favour then there really is nothing against it. If you believe that there is no reason to even change morals and what is “normal and natural” then perhaps you wish to go back to slavery or back towards being an english colony?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gay Marriage: A Great Loss for Moralism

People whose main identifity is rightwing conservative above all else make up 1% , maybe 2% of our society. I too would be happy to leave them alone if they left me and mine alone. The problem is they want to be noticed and they want to be in your face with their hatred. They are prodded by those who feel good if they can find a cause to rally around. Conservative is the name given to them. Watch the political leanings of these people on this board. They want discrimination, feel themselves better then those who are worse of then them. Forced childbirth (No matter if it was rape) etc. It goes on and on and if you disagree they call you names. They want laws to make you and I do what they demand because they can live your life better than you can. Most of the conservatives (Republicans) on this forum actually wish for tyranny. they feel they should be able to pursue what they want and someone else pay for it.

It’s interesting how little you have to change to flip jhco’s messages around.

Wargamer I too worry about human’s unnatural tendencies after all can you give me some examples of animals who attack pairs of other members of their species specifially because they are homesexual? We have plenty of examples of animals being gay but I don’t think there is any animal that becomes extra aggresive because of it.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Please Welcome Serious Discussion's New Forum Mod

Welcome, let’s hope you will last longer then the moderators that came before you.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Give me your tired, your poor

Asking wolfram alpha suggested the following:
the cost of accepting an assylum seeker is around 10.000 euro, the cost of cancer treatment is an average of 100.000 per year.
The total number of asylum seekers is currently around 700.000 per year for the total european union. There are aproximitly 700 million people in the EU (745 actually) so that means that accepting every asylum seeker would cost a total of 1000 euro per person per year. That does not seem like a value that would collapse the econemy in fact I would argue that rather then sending warships to sink these refugees it might be more cost effective to just elliminate some expensive type of healhcare (or better yet try to care for one another and just pay the exra 1000 euro).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Give me your tired, your poor

There is also a reason why few of the life boats of the titanic were loaded with over half their capacity, and that they decided to “pick up people once they had cooled down” which resulted in many unnecessary deaths tell people that they might suffer if they aid others and they will do whatever they can to avoid aiding others even if they are nowhere near the limit.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Rate the song above you. V.2

3/10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_0BapT0mOQ&index=16&

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Give me your tired, your poor

I think that the economic problems are made worse by constant cost cutting. I believe strongly in anti cyclic spending that means that once a recesion starts governements should increase spending so as to encourage people to keep spending as well and to keep the economy running. Then once the econemy has recovered they start cutting costs again to save up money for the next recession. I also think that especially imigrants are also the group least likely to keep really long term savings that are so damaging to the econemy.

As far as computational intelligence is concerned I’m not sure how they would fit in here. These systems often work best when given a massive amount of data from various people in simulair situations (or just one person in the same situation). Otherwise you can use big data and put it into a expert system (why not?).
I would also keep them far away from imigration and such system seeing as how increddibly racist I have seen some of these systems become (they graps at any short cut they can find and if they can somehow deduce a persons race and the underlying system is not entirely fair they will be worse).

And why would such a system need a dirrect neural connection? What is wrong with how we do these things now? For example I have a system build into my laptop that listens to any conversation I have and uses text to speach and then searches for relevant information and displays this, this works quite nice but I wouldn’t want it piped straight into my brain (I can only imagen the headache that would cause).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / True Christianity

You mean st Peter’s keys(which give him and the pope the power to forbid or allow things within the catholic belief system)? Or do you have another interpretation? It’s useful to know that before you declare that all others are wrong you yourself are correct. And did you really have to dig up a topic from 2009?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Should anti-vax people be banned from traveling and having children?

CROW you are missing the most important reason in my mind: if you can vaccinate a sufficiently large portion of the population then the disease goes extinct and we can all stop vaccinating.

That said I do believe we have a certain right to refuse medication/vaccination based on the simple fact that the sanctuary of the body is something that should not be reduced unless via court order in individual cases. (ideally we would educate those who refuse vaccinations so that they see why they should get them).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Socialist President Obama wants to give away free college for community college prospects.

I think that it’s a great idea to provide free education to all especially during a crisis as during a crisis a lot of people go unemployed and if these people get an education they can continue their career rather then fall behind and out of the system due to being jobless for several year (not gaining any experience) and then being outdone by younger people. Additionally the US education system if famously expensive to attend and making it more affordable could benefit the economy in the long term.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Perfect example why the USA is broken. ( A must read! )

Note that this is very much a temporaly sollution, they are allowed to pay very little for their house the next 5 months after that they will have to start paying for their house again or more to a house that is cheaper or go back in to negative.
The fact that the student lown is also not going down also means that there is no room for improvement in the future rather then just asking both your bosses for a 200 dollar/month pay improvement.

And by the way to me those seem like very lausy payments for people with a master’s degree. I can easily earn 25 euro (= 30 dollar) per hour working just 10 hours a week as a student(mid bacheler)(this compared to your 41000/46 (vacation)/6 / 10= 15 dollar per hour quite low).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / AX: Cultural drift, circa 2115 AD

I see atheism/agnosticism taking over as a lot more likely. Maybe that is because it’s’ the dominant point of view (religion?) in my home country but it seems to me that the more people don’t openly believe in a god the fewer people will feel that it’s needed to believe in a god.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / How do I stop punks showing shame to war memorial with skateboarding

Have you considered actually talking with them in a calm tone? Point out that you view these war memorials as important to you and to others. And that they are doing damage to them by skating on them. Then try to think with them for another place they can skate on, if you cannot think of any help them petition for another place. The fact that they called the cops when you broke their board rather then knife you suggests they do have respect for the official channels so maybe you can help yourself and them trough the democratic channels.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why does the US government hate crypto currency/silk road?

This generation os crypto currencies is quite well protected against to “counterfitting” it’s not something you can do that easily. The one thing you can do is achieve more then 50% of the market and at which point you get to decide which transactions are and which aren’t vallid. However the more widespread the more difficult it is to own 50% of the system. As far as how easy it is to “lose” bitcoins well that depends. It’s effecitlfy little else other then a text documents a string of characters that you are yourself responsible for keeping safe. You can do this by for example encryping and backing up your bitcoins. As for sites going down I suspect that soon the banks might be willing to join in on the fun or that regulations will begin to appear for bitcoin sites (banks). Currently these sites are functioning just like the banks but as there are no regulations these sites tend to die quite a lot.

Still don’t buy drugs unless you have a prescription and are damm sure what you are buying is on your prescription (how I don’t know but if you find a way to be sure…).