Topic: Serious Discussion /
A Way To End All Crime
You are the ones pushing that genetics produce innate behaviors. That is one of the foundations of the “master race” theories. You are the ones saying that certain genetic factors will produce superior behavior in some and inferior behavior in others. I am pointing out that that is a bunch of bullshit.
A car can not think. If you knew exactly how someone reacted to a certain stimulus before then you may be able to predict how they would respond to that particular stimulus if exposed again, but humans can think and may have already decided to react differently to that stimulus because their first reaction did not produce a result that they liked. If their behavior were genetically predetermined they would not be able to change it. They would react the same exact way every time as they would have no free will to change their behavior or reaction.
You have it backwards. The environmental stimulus is the cause. Without the cause or environmental influence there would be no firing in the brain in response to it. That is nurture not nature. Nature, the brain is just where the firing takes place. The genes that produce the brain are not intelligent and do not know anything about what can happen to the organism. They are only chemicals that have come together in a certain order and they cause other chemicals to react in certain ways. They do not have intelligence and do not think out how to arrange the brain to produce behavior.
Without the environmental stimulus, nurture, there wouldn’t be any way for the person to react to the cause.
The other part of the brain as you call it did not make a decision. Even in your hypothesis, it could not have made that decision without the environmental stimulus first. Unless you think that the other part of the brain that you mention is somehow “psychic” and knows what is going to happen before it happens?
It would depend upon how far away the object was. The closer it is when you notice it the more likely that you will try to avoid it hitting you, because you already know that it can hurt you if it does. Not instinctual, you have already experienced the pain or have thought about how it could hurt you. The baby has not experienced or thought about it yet. Think line drive coming at you on the pitcher’s mound. Duck and stab at it.
If the object were far away you would have time to judge the distance and decide if you want to try and catch it or if you want to run out of the way. Think fly ball in baseball coming at you in the outfield.
How can the response be predetermined after you are exposed to something? That would mean that your genes have knowledge of things or situations before you are exposed to them.
Your predictions would rely on everyone having the same exact circuitry possibilities and then monitoring the changes from that standard. Everyone’s brain is going to be somewhat different in regards to where the circuitry will occur. Your brain and my brain will have different pathways for something as simple as the color blue.
If you were correct, doing that for a population is some serious “big brother” stuff and falls under the shouldn’t be done category.
I am aware of where you get your genetic make-up from. You may also have similarities with anyone you are a direct descendant of skipping a generation or two.
Electrochemical in the sense that chemicals cause/produce electrical impulses.
“The brain processes data. It needs data, but when it has it the only way it can process that data is through its circuitry. The circuitry it has, determines how it wioll process that data and what it will do with it.”
It is not already predetermined at birth what pathway will result from being exposed to a certain stimuli. If I were exposed to blue first and green second, blue would have the first available pathway in that part of the brain. If I had been exposed to green instead, it would have the pathway that blue caused. The circuitry is only there for impulses to be able to occur. Until I have further environmental input, the brain does not know what blue and green are, colors in English, or there names, blue and green in English.
The brain is a tool that through its evolution along with the rest of the nervous system allows a mind to exist.
I should have stated that if it were possible to grow the brain and keep it alive in a container that no personality would even develop. There would be no input to form it it from.
“They went from healthy sex lives up until the time they were caught, to a period of utter cold turkey, with no chance of getting that sex life back. Of course they’re going to turn to whatever they can find.”
Then why would they not just masturbate instead of having sex with someone that they are not supposedly predetermined to be attracted to? Easier just to imagine someone that you are attracted to.
The brain is just a tool. a part of your body in the same way as other organs are part of your body. The brain is part of the nervous system where input from your senses is processed. Your brain allows you to think. Your hands allow you to grab things, with the nervous system and the brain. Without the hands, and without artificial limbs, you can not grab things. Without the brain, you can not think.
What you do with that environmental input or information is what makes you you.
I do not have to post in this forums or be on this site. It was not predetermined in 1965, when I was born through my genes that I would be here now. I was not predetermined that I would like Internet gaming. My genes have nothing to do with me not wanting to own a cell phone.
My genes did cause the amount of taste buds in each area of my tongue which does influence whether or not I want to eat certain foods. It does not determine whether or not I will eat those foods. My genes do not determine whether or not I will forgo the extra helping of dessert. My genes do not choose whether or not I eat all of the chocolate cake at once or over several days. That is my choice and is free will.
My genes produced my digestion tract. Which in turn produce cause gas. My genes do not influence whether or not I will try to hold that gas back on crowded elevator or not. My genes may influence whether or not I am able to hold it back, but not whether or not I will try to. The attempt to hold it back is through free will. A decision based upon thinking through the consequences if I do not try and hold it back. Those consequences are known as a result of environmental input.
People make choices everyday, some of them are quite hard decisions to make. Some people make those decisions because of being brainwashed into a cult. That is a result of environmental influences causing their decision and not the predetermined behavior from genes. That is not free will. They did not think it through they did what they were told to do by an environmental influence. Their mind was made up for them, by other people.
Children are lied to all the time and they believe those lies. Santa, Easter Bunny, etc., etc. Those beliefs and the reactions to them are not a result of genetics. The reactions are a result of associations. They can have a good or a bad association. It is not predetermined which association that they will make.
For the record, I am 100% against the manipulative bullshit of getting children to believe is things that are not real.
Without environmental input, nurture, there can not be a who you are.
What you push with everything being predetermined by genetics basically means that there can not even be a who your are. You would be nothing more than a programmed automaton.
Who you are is defined by the choices that you make based upon decisions that you make. The brain simply makes it possible to process the input so you can make those decisions.
I will say that genes do produce the various areas of the brain and the nervous system parts that they correspond with, i.e. eyes to the visual cortex, ears to the auditory cortex, etc. That is so the body can receive the input and does not predetermine what decisions the person will make regarding the input.