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Topic: Wartune / Congratulations to KOK

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Topic: Wartune / Corrected Cross-Server Guild Battle Info

That might be true for individual participation rewards. Are you sure that’s true for the final rewards at the end for prelims and for finals? Don’t want a ton of people to be quitting their guilds and getting screwed when those rewards drop.

lol. i guess a lot of us had the same thought at the same time. =P

 
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Topic: Wartune / ΣNVY☆UZ vs WolfPack

::In a Yoda tone of voice:: “Lost on this one, sarcasm is.”

 
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Topic: Wartune / ΣNVY☆UZ vs WolfPack

Since we’re a Kong server, we have no idea how your guild is since it’s a wartune server guild. Tell you what, give us a list of your guild’s top 40, names, brs, classes, then we’ll be able to make an educated comparison for you.

 
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Topic: Wartune / S1 got theirs but what about S5/S6/S7/S10

Please stop throwing around the word “fact” as if everything you claim to be a fact is 100% accurate and verifiable when it’s more subjective. Cheapens the word. For example:

1. Saying “the fact that a vast majority of the active server 12 population went to one guild and they are doing in-house mpds could be a factor” is blaming one guild, even if you are saying you aren’t blaming anyone. There are two other, while lower BR guilds, active guilds that merged from S12. Your guild easily could have tried to work out merges with them. Nope. Furthermore, while half of that statement can be easily be verified as fact if needed, the other half, doing in-house mpds, is not. Please show the facts that show that none of the new people ask in world chat for runs (which they do so you are out of luck.)

2. The “fact” that pre-merge WB was 25+ plus is subjective since those were only on days when people like karrde, gruntar, and some of the higher up players were not online. There were plenty of days where, when the higher ups were online, that wb went about 20 min or less and people were able to go do bg. Fact is I went to bg many times after wb. Are you saying your “fact” is more correct than my “fact”? For someone who says he doesn’t run all the time, hard to say examples are “facts” when you are not running daily.

3. The “fact” that the advertisements that seem to go on forever means absolutely nothing. It could mean that with more players on the server, more people are advertising their runs, more people are looking for groups instead of trying to form groups (e.g. 4 groups of 3 asking instead of consolidating into 2 groups of 4 and one person looking for 3). Again, as someone who says they only play during weekends and late at night, its hard to say that its a post merge issue rather than a you “running when everyone is asleep” issue in terms of finding groups. As for guilds helping guilds? Your guild doesn’t help its members and often asks the “one guild” for help. Sometimes your members specifically PM people in “the one guild” asking for help. Additionally. when we do help with things, we get told that no one runs tok nm in your guild except for one group who sticks together and everytime we offer in world chat, your guild always swarms our groups. Aside from Rae, most of your higher ups leave you out to dry while you guys ask “the one guild” for help when often times you guys blame “the one guild” for all the problems in the game. How is that a post merge issue? Seems more like a “your guild” issue than a post merge issue. Maybe you guys are trying to help each other more post merge. If so, that’s fantastic. However, don’t make it out to be like you guys are martyrs fighting a battle against everyone else.

If you want to throw around your limited view of things, by all mean, please do. Don’t say it’s a fact, blame one guild, then act like you guys aren’t part of the problem.

 
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Topic: Wartune / S1 got theirs but what about S5/S6/S7/S10

Originally posted by candoo4:

Even worse than it was.. Arena is almost now impossible to find a whole group in your lvl range…..

Hah, have to use my 3 other alt accounts for arena.. That’s how bad S1 is for finding Mps and arenas…

You do realize that you just admitted to being part of the problem? By having so many alts and running them, the server population is artificially inflated and it looks like there are a lot of people signing in where its just 1 person signing in 4 times. People have been saying to stop logging in alts while they are rechecking the server population numbers. Logging in 4 accounts at one time doesn’t help while they are trying to re-evaluate the situation. Yes, its a Catch 22 but short term annoyance vs a long term benefit (a merge) should be considered.

 
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Topic: Wartune / S1 got theirs but what about S5/S6/S7/S10

Originally posted by terrawolf76:

please not another merger with server 14 we have enough problems as is

No one in this thread is asking for a merge with your server. The servers to be potentially affected are listed in the title of the thread, which are west coast servers. You are on an east coast server. Therefore this thread has nothing to do with you and your wish. If there are potential talks of another merge on your server, start your own thread to discuss it there instead of derailing ours. Thank you.

 
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Topic: Wartune / S1 got theirs but what about S5/S6/S7/S10

Can you not encourage people to “come to our server?” You’re basically asking people to make an alt just to see if there are enough people online….. defeats the whole purpose of this thread. Please think before posting or just stop posting.

 
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Topic: Wartune / S1 got theirs but what about S5/S6/S7/S10

can a mod remove these exchanges between us? clearly they don’t help or add or contribute to this thread in any way shape or form.

 
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Topic: Wartune / S1 got theirs but what about S5/S6/S7/S10

No… I said “why are people who quit the game posting and trying to decide the future of people who still play?” I also said “Yes, people who quit can give reasons why they quit but I don’t see why they should have a say/vote in terms of the future of a game they no longer play.”

If you are going to going to block quote everything everyone says, do it properly. I remember what I post. You need to read properly.

 
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Topic: Wartune / S1 got theirs but what about S5/S6/S7/S10

Please read people’s posts before replying. As someone who has been pushing for a merge, I know that some people quit because there aren’t enough players for some things. People also quit for other reasons, like real life issues, lag, etc. I said that the only reason that someone who quit should give feedback about a game that no longer concerns them is that they can say why they quit. Please stop randomly quoting and replying to posts without accurately reading them.

 
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Topic: Wartune / S1 got theirs but what about S5/S6/S7/S10

Something I hope will be helpful….

Instead of just spewing theories as to what should be done, here are some of the theories mentioned, some suggestions as to practical ways to do it, the pros and cons of them, and some analysis of it. (Not saying I agree with everything but considering some people just spew theories without practical ways to implement them, its about time someone did something.) Feel free to add to this. Just tired of people suggesting things without stating potential outcomes of their ideas or how to implement them. Making this S1 specific since apparently people keep arguing that the merge, something all 4 servers need, is an ego thing that only S1 wants.

“No Merge – Eliminating Tyrants”
1. Have the top 4 guilds split themselves up amongst the top 8. (If you want more than this, you are crazy since a majority of the guilds outside the top 8 are inactive/very few people in them)

PROS:
-More competitive Guild Battles.
-More potential for mentoring from the higher level/BR players
-Lower levels gain more from runs if being carried by higher lvl/br players

CONS:
-When cross server Guild Battles gets implemented, every single guild on this server will be thrashed. Assuming you want at least 100K BR (which is probably way lower than what you actually need) for the 40 members the guild sends to cross server guild battle. That would mean that of the active players still playing, the top 8 guilds would have about 10-15 players above 100K whereas the rest of the members would be under that.
-Average levels across the guilds of currently active players would require higher level and BR players to run multiple times a day and not being in the same guild anymore makes it harder for them to ask for their own runs. Helping people unlock TOK nm is fine except those people will not be able to do it on their own and will expect to be carried through TOK nm all the time. We all know TOK nm isn’t easy even when people are stripped down. If people were completely naked everyday, that wouldn’t be a problem except that doesn’t happen every day nor is reasonable to expect it to.
-Higher level and BR players get less from their runs and are less competitive with other server groups (wartunes, r2, etc)
-Higher burnout rate of higher level/br players who are now expected to carry a majority of their guild. Also no guarantees that people will go out of their way to mentor people in their new guild.
-You are trying to force people to stop being a guild with their friends and to start joining guilds with people they don’t know or may not like. Furthermore, what would be a fair way to divide people up. Creates more problems than it solves.

ANALYSIS:
- People who need help should ask for it politely. Instead of spam inviting everyone, pms would work. Or asking members of their own guild would work as well. I’ve seen newcomers in the top 8 guilds ask for things like nether forest in world chat. That isn’t something that requires higher level guilds/players to beat. That requires someone who click a mouse and push a few keyboard buttons. Yet if their own guilds refuse to help them, why should the higher level guilds be required to run with every single one of them. It could be that there are a lack of people on the server to help. Which means that not merging won’t help anyone.

2. No Merge

PROS:
-“The tyrants don’t get more powerful”. Not sure how that would have worked anyway but that was something someone said. I guess the notion is that if there were a merger, guilds would not just transport themselves over and maintain their same guilds as they originally were. Instead they would all flock to WP.
- WB profits remain the same
- Solo arena rankings stay the same
- Sylph arena rankings stay the same

CONS:
- No new blood to help people run things, regardless of level/br. Everyone on the servers is affected if they are having issues finding runs.
- Frustration with inability to find runs will lead to people quitting (many people have already done so because they were sick of asking people for runs. Some people can only play at certain hours and thus quit because no people on during those hours. Can provide a list but no point)
- Server population will eventually reach the automatic limits. However, at this point many will have quit so the merge after the fact will not help much.

ANALYSIS:
-Assuming everyone helps everyone and everyone is all lovey dovey and people sacrifice themselves to help people run, there will still be people who won’t find groups to run what they need to run. Burnout rates will deplete the limited server population and make it harder to find groups and people will get tired of running the same thing over and over everyday. No merge only delays the inevitable server automated merge.

MERGE
PROS:
- More server life. Easier to find groups for everything within a person’s level range.
- More chance for parity. If people are unhappy with the guild in charge, people can choose to do something about it themselves such as create a new guild to do something about it. That has been the case for this server. Guilds will merge to combat other guilds or to correct issues they have with the game (such as finding level 80s to run mpd with). Asgard, Crossfield, Bamboo, etc., were all guilds that merged because a problem was identified amongst themselves and they proactively decided to do something about it. Purported tyrants can be dealt with if enough people rise up against them. Lack of players to play with can’t be solved with internal merges but requires an influx of external players.
- Cross server guild battle will be good. Guilds will all have a chance to get good rewards from CSGB if there are more than 40 players active in their guilds, all with decent BR. As it currently stands, only 2-4 of the current guilds have a chance to get rewards and only 1-2 of those guilds have a chance to get good rewards.

CONS:
-Everyone merges into WP. In all honesty, this notion is ridiculous. Firstly, I don’t think Rad would allow for that to happen, regardless of how people see him as a tyrant. He has self control regardless of how power hungry people with personal issues keep making him out to be. Secondly, if you are willing to believe that people will help others, than you should believe that they aren’t entirely selfish and all want to be in WP. You would have to believe that everyone is selfish to believe everyone wants to be in WP, which in that case, expecting everyone to help others with their run is an impossibility also. Seeing as how many players refuse to join WP, that’s a good sign that players on other servers are likely to follow suit.
-Less WB gold. Some of the merged servers have this issue so it could be a reality. However, if what Green says is true, that the devs do pay attention to these threads, they could also potentially update the WB so that the health is more. It’ll be a problem in the short run but something that is possible to fix.
-Solo Arena rankings change. This isn’t that big a part of the game. Basically is free gold and daru twice a week. If this is more important to you than getting more people to run the main daily events, then yes, this is very bad and won’t be fixed unless you get stronger.
-Sylph Arena Rankings – This might hurt people since it may drop people out of the top 100 in terms of free stuff daily. This will also have no fix as it stands unless the devs want to expand the possible prize range to account for the expansion of numbers.

ANALYSIS:
I suppose it comes down to what you find to be the important/fun part of the game. If you are interested in doing the daily instances of MPD, TOK, SPIRE, MAPS, WILDS, etc., a merge would definitely help. If you are concerned about GB, it is likely that there will be parity but in the worst case that everyone is selfish and wants to merge into WP and if you assume Rad wants to take everyone so he can be lord over all, that will be a 3 times a week issue to deal with. Mines and Wilds? Well if the culture of the servers proposed for merger don’t allow for it, I assume that culture will spread here as well. As stated by others, if people don’t complain about the issue, no one can solve it.
Yes there will be some downsides in terms of WB profits, solo arena, sylph arena, but the benefit of more players to easily find runs vs slight losses of profits is a cost benefit analysis that’s personal to the individual.

 
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Topic: Wartune / S1 got theirs but what about S5/S6/S7/S10

Slightly related to the discussion on hand, while I can understand to some degree the impact of a server merge on someone who has an alt on the proposed servers for merge (which obviously doesn’t majorly impact a person since their main can thrive elsewhere but still influences them to some degree), why are people who quit the game posting and trying to decide the future of people who still play? Green has stated she will take any anonymous no votes and post them. There really isn’t a need for people who quit the game to come fight on behalf of people unless there is some sort of ulterior motive. Yes, people who quit can give reasons why they quit but I don’t see why they should have a say/vote in terms of the future of a game they no longer play. Yes, feel free to bring suggestions about what can be changed, yes, feel free to point out what is wrong with the game, but don’t come to the forums, stand a soap box, say you are voting a certain way, attack a certain group of people, and act as if things impact you when it no longer does. If there are concerns, bring them to Green’s attention.

 

Topic: Wartune / S1 got theirs but what about S5/S6/S7/S10

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Topic: Wartune / S1 got theirs but what about S5/S6/S7/S10

I think most of us here realize the necessary evils of a merge. Some clearly don’t but those people probably need to see a therapist to talk out their issues. I think what’s trying to be discussed is trying to push for a merge while there are still enough people playing vs. merging at “population cap” that automatically causes a merge, which at that point, most players probably would have quit.

Pretty sure capatheist isn’t hating. He’s just saying that mergers need to be done. It’s a part of any game that has multiple servers, routinely happens, and he’s explaining that it will likely happen again somewhere down the road. Think you should try to fully read and understand other people before posting candoo4.

 

Topic: Wartune / S1 got theirs but what about S5/S6/S7/S10

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Topic: Wartune / S1 got theirs but what about S5/S6/S7/S10

I’m sure there are plenty of things to say but to keep things short and to the point,

1. less servers for arena could = more in server matches with people closer to your level. can’t just assume it automatically means out of level matching. more people to run with creates more teams around the same level range.
2. lag is lag, not going to be fixed unless they release those clients as rumored.
3. no one cares enough about beating electro boss to ask for a merger. there are other 80 bosses to do.
4. if a majority of the 70+ players are already in one guild, you can’t really quit and join another guild to run things. hence the reason for a merge so there are more 70+ players. Our guild also removes everyone who is inactive for “very long status” so it’s not like we’re artificially inflating our guild BR and numbers.

 
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Topic: Wartune / Events suggestions post

Um… no one is talking about that. The only thing being talked about is:
1. You told someone life is unfair when they complained about a game issue.
2. People are quoting you and telling you life is unfair when you are complaining about a game issue.
3. You get upset when people do what you did to other people.
4. People are trying to explain to you why they are quoting you.

Where does “Radical” or any of that other stuff fit into the situation?

 
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Topic: Wartune / Events suggestions post

Originally posted by candoo4:

And one more thing to add.. The “sorry” in my signature shows.. I’m still trying to figure out a solution to my behavior.. It’s not that easy.. You can’t just tell someone to start behaving and right away expect it to happen, not at all, but i’m honestly trying to improve it.

No one is telling you to behave right away. People are pointing out your problems and telling you what you should do should you want to change.You can’t have a blanket sorry in a signature and insult everyone and expect it to be ok. That would be the same as expecting the phrase “No offense but….” then saying the most insulting thing to someone, and expect them to be ok and not offended. Words without actions are dead and pointless.

Simply put, if you give people attitude in their posts, and people give you attitude in yours, sit there and take it without complaining. If you don’t like to receive that attitude, don’t give it to other people. Very simple solution.

Again, the saying from before don’t dish what you can’t take applies. Also, do to others what you would have them do to you applies as well.

 
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Topic: Wartune / Events suggestions post

Originally posted by candoo4:

Uhhhhhhhhhh? I don’t remember me starting it, but what I do remember is that it’s getting out of control. When did I ever call someone “stupid”?

http://www.kongregate.com/forums/228-wartune/topics/405045-announcement-wartune-weekly-maintenance-5-29-3-30-am-edt?page=1#posts-8082079

Originally posted by candoo4:

ur stupid if u think that.. just quit.. wartune/r2 doesnt wann see you say that.. and im pretty sure other people dont either

 
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Topic: Wartune / Events suggestions post

Originally posted by EdgeMMG:
Originally posted by candoo4:

i know.. i made mistakes but why r u guys still talking about it? i even put my signature about that

You make mistakes not made. This is an on going problem which is why people bring it up. As said in my earlier post, we still talk about it because we are giving you grief like you gave other people. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.

1. If you don’t like it when other people use your own words against you, don’t say things you don’t like to hear in the first place.
2. Knowing you “made mistakes” is different than knowing that you “made mistakes and are changing/apologetic.” You still talk to people rudely and only acknowledged that you “made mistakes” when you got called out for it here. In various other posts you have laughed at people for not knowing where things were in the game (without trying to point them in the right direction), called people stupid, told people to quit, etc. Not once did you apologize or admit you were wrong.
3. Even if you are saying you changed and this is the past, you still talk to people rudely in the game (not just on the forums) and treat people like they are idiots on a day to day basis. You did this yesterday in current chat. Since it’s an ongoing problem, someone has to tell you that you’re wrong and to stop.

One other point to add. When we first started using the life is unfair post, instead of apologizing, you became defensive and said that it was said in another post, has nothing to do with your point so why bring it up here, and that it was a past mistake. Clearly, if you “made mistakes” and were sorry about it, you would have apologized instead of getting defensive and asking why people were bringing up other posts. I think the “mistake” in your mind was putting yourself in a situation where you got called out for your own actions, not for the things you actually said.

 
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Topic: Wartune / Events suggestions post

Originally posted by candoo4:

i know.. i made mistakes but why r u guys still talking about it? i even put my signature about that

You make mistakes not made. This is an on going problem which is why people bring it up. As said in my earlier post, we still talk about it because we are giving you grief like you gave other people. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it.

1. If you don’t like it when other people use your own words against you, don’t say things you don’t like to hear in the first place.
2. Knowing you “made mistakes” is different than knowing that you “made mistakes and are changing/apologetic.” You still talk to people rudely and only acknowledged that you “made mistakes” when you got called out for it here. In various other posts you have laughed at people for not knowing where things were in the game (without trying to point them in the right direction), called people stupid, told people to quit, etc. Not once did you apologize or admit you were wrong.
3. Even if you are saying you changed and this is the past, you still talk to people rudely in the game (not just on the forums) and treat people like they are idiots on a day to day basis. You did this yesterday in current chat. Since it’s an ongoing problem, someone has to tell you that you’re wrong and to stop.

 
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Topic: Wartune / Events suggestions post

Originally posted by candoo4:
Originally posted by EdgeMMG:

http://www.kongregate.com/forums/228-wartune/topics/403492-clothing-event-prizes-unfair?page=1#posts-8063772

Just returning your words back to you

that wasnt on this forum tho.. like i said

what im trying to say is in this forum is that they should atleast put exp books instead of xp u get right away.. i mean like kinda makes more sense if u wanna use it at a different lvl whenever u want

The point being made is that while it is ok to voice an opinion about things you are dissatisfied with in the game, it is NOT ok to tell people who are expressing their opinion that “life is unfair, deal with it”, only to go and start your own post to express your opinion about dissatisfaction. By all means, if you want to level camp and don’t claim rewards to avoid exp, it is your right. If you want to complain about it, that is also your right. But don’t go telling other people in posts that life is unfair and not expect people to give you grief about your attitude when you complain about something in another post.

 
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Topic: Wartune / Events suggestions post

http://www.kongregate.com/forums/228-wartune/topics/403492-clothing-event-prizes-unfair?page=1#posts-8063772

Just returning your words back to you

 
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Topic: Wartune / Events suggestions post

Originally posted by candoo4:

life is unfair.. deal with it