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Topic: Serious Discussion / Evil white supremacist public library bans #BlackLivesMatter

Originally posted by vikaTae:

A favourite image exemplifying the problem is from a Microsoft operation in 2009:

They actually photoshopped African-Americans out of their promotional media for overseas markets, out of fear that they wouldn’t be able to sell products if it were widely known they employed black people.

Interesting example, that. I remember reading that back when O.J. Simpson was doing Hertz commercials (we’re talking late 70’s, early 80’s here), they were very careful about marketing a black man running through an airport, as there might be a misconception that he was running from the cops. That is why in the ad they placed some white actors cheering him on and stating “Go O.J.”

Originally posted by BombCog:

Small acts of petty cruelty create more of an environment of degrading mental health than sporadic, large acts of overt cruelty. The first induces paranoia and is a constant assault on self-worth. The second can be battled with typical survival strategies, and thinking of that particular person as dangerous. There is already research out there for this.

Why is it so hard for you to grasp the simple request for basic respect? The rule is simple. Just don’t be an asshole. When people are being assholes, it has far-reaching effects in a society, and what effects society will always affect members of that society even more meaningfully. We are obsessively social creatures. It is as much a need for our biology as water and protein. I have seen children in labs encouraged to be mean that have more empathy than you’re displaying right now. You are literally functioning less than an ill-tempered child. Does that mean nothing to you?

Some good points. I wish it was as simple as “don’t be an asshole”; I’ve found that people who are being true assholes lack any insight into their own behavior, taking the approach that they are either (a) sticking up for themselves and demanding respect, or (b) entitled to “get back” at the world for whatever reason.

Regarding the microaggression points, I think it’s literally impossible to regulate behaviors on this level. I do understand microaggression is a real thing, because I’ve experienced it, but until recently it went by the term “snub” (to put it simply). Which goes back to your common sense point, just don’t be an asshole.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / KKK Rally turns violent (Anaheim, CA, USA)

Originally posted by petesahooligan:


This event raises some interesting questions:

1. Is the distastefulness of a particular group’s message a reasonable factor when considering their right to free speech?

2. Do the police have an obligation to protect those rights using public resources?

3. What is an appropriate community response to groups that we (as a community) find repulsive?

It probably shouldn’t, but it always surprises me when the KKK makes an appearance in a place like Southern California, in contrast to, say, Mississipi.

So back to your questions:

1. Tough question (which makes it a good one). This is currently a debate that is underway, at least informally, regarding the Westboro Baptist Church. I’d say based on protecting free speech, the distastefulness should not inhibit their rights unless (A) it is designed to incite violence (B) it is encouraging of a crime ( C ) it is harassing and causing undue emotional distress (such as the Westboro Baptist being allowed to protest at a soldier’s funeral)

2. Likely, they do. If for instance the Black Panthers and the Klu Klux Klan faced off, things could get salty pretty quickly and innocent bystanders could end up being hurt. The public (and sometimes the idiot protestors) still have a right to protection.

3. Ignore them, unless they are violating the terms in #1.

Complicating the issue are factors such as what these organizations really stand for. Popular media indicates that the Klu Klux Klan are responsible for spreading hate. The Klan themselves would have you believe that they are not violent, not hateful, merely peacefully proud of being white

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Evil white supremacist public library bans #BlackLivesMatter

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:
Do ya know what covert racism is?

Covert racism is a form of racial discrimination that is disguised and subtle, rather than public or obvious. Concealed in the fabric of society, covert racism discriminates against individuals through often unnoticeable or seemingly passive methods. Covert, racially biased decisions are often hidden or rationalized with an explanation that society is more willing to accept. These racial biases cause a variety of problems that work to empower the suppressors while diminishing the rights and powers of the oppressed. Covert racism often works subliminally, and often much of the discrimination is being done subconsciously.

This is sounding suspiciously like “micro-aggression”, which some argue is crap

Not trying to derail the thread, but what do you think of the micro-aggression concept—valid or exaggerated/made up?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The paradox of suicide

Originally posted by fma1:

Scientifically, what can bring a person’s mind to a state that their survival instinct basically ceases to function?

Scientifically speaking, I think a lot of it can be traced to a root of depression or insanity so profound that it (neurologically and whatever else) does interfere with survival instincts. Take for instance a person who has no family support, no quality medical care, and a terminal diagnosis considering suicide. They cognitively know they have little to no quality of life and no chance of survival. Still, when it comes right down to it it is often hard to overcome a survival instinct; that’s why people don’t typically drown themselves (because they would fight and gasp for breath), and have to go about it some other irreversible way, such as a gunshot wound or jumping from a bridge.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Cyberbullying by Tacket

Originally posted by vikaTae:
Originally posted by KhawKoonKqip:

A simple solution, turn off the computer. So called ‘bullying’ ends.

It actually doesn’t. The problem is the bully uses the internet (and occasionally other resources like the phones, mail system, or their physical person) to make the target’s life a living hell. A successful cyberbully may be able to manipulate the target’s workplace into firing them, or may threaten friends and relatives with physical harm or death.

Not only that, but (slightly off topic) let’s not forget the people that unwittingly use social media to kick their own asses. I’ve seen many a stupid Facebook post lead to an investigation, a firing, a career loss, a relationship loss….you name it. I knew one person recently who posted graphic threats against another to their online account as a way of blowing off steam. Smart. #sarcasm

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Cyberbullying by Tacket

Originally posted by Tacket:

Nice input, Jason. It segues nicely into an additional question.

Is cyberbullying, or just being rude to someone online in general, ever deserved? If so, when?

Maybe it could be justified, I don’t know. But it’s often called trolling. Of course, cyberbullying is a very real thing. I find that the more personal something gets, the more significant. For instance, on an anonymous forum, two people can go at it with (usually) minimal damage. On Facebook, where there’s no face to face interaction but identities are revealed, things get a little bit more real/personal. And of course, in real life, it can range from verbal sparring to physical altercation if things get bad enough.

But back to the person saying cyber bullying is not a real thing—false. It’s a very real thing. It can have impacts from hurt feelings to suicide. Don’t underestimate the damage it can do to someone to have their reputation, their privacy, and their dignity smeared online. In many ways that’s more permanent and worse than a face to face dispute.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / California Islamic Muslim Terrorist Mass Shooting

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Texas shooting at a Mosque that has a different twist.

I hold this asshole Trump partly responsible for fanning the flames of hatred.

If I’m interpreting this correctly, it looked like an organization—American Freedom Defense Initiative—was exercising their right to free speech by holding an event. Two gunman (I’m going to guess they are radicalized) opened fire, and were shot. They should have been shot for that.

How is this a supporting argument? People shouldn’t be allowed to go batshit crazy and off the rails just because someone drew a cartoon or said something that offended them, as is the case with the numerous incidences (like Charlie Hebdo, Molly Norris, etc) in that article.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Trump will make Muslim registry

Originally posted by KoonKhan:

Edit: What’s scary to me is when Karma, Vika, Petes, Kasic, and myself all agree 100%. I think this is the first time, and it took Ben Carson to do it. That should bring up major red flags regarding Carson. I am very conservative and I fear him. He is so far right he fell off the cliff, and on the way down sees Sanders who is so far left he fell off his own cliff, and they are falling to their doom.

Hm…I’m reading his book and he doesn’t seem that bad; he seems like an intelligent rational man, who is quite the constitutionalist, and able to back up his views well. I’m sure as a neurosurgeon he’s fine. About the picture, it’s just some symbolic thing he had commissioned to demonstrate…..Jesus guiding his life? I don’t see why anyone would freak out over it, it’s maybe just a little quirky.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Trump will make Muslim registry

Originally posted by jhco50:

I haven’t decided as to who I will vote for yet, but I do like Trump. He is an outsider and not part of the political establishment. Cruz is pretty good along with Rubio and Rand Paul. At this moment though, it looks like Trump will be the Republican candidate. Much to the discern of the liberal media. And thank you.

Why does nobody mention Ben Carson? He is an awesome candidate, and leading Trump in several places.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Your view on legalization of Marijuana

Originally posted by stanwise:

How on earth do you figure that blunts are less harmful than bongs? Smoke is smoke, and smoke is bad for you.

Which is why I’m surprised every time this comes up and no one mentions the other forms of MJ administration—cookies, drops to be added to food, etc.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Darren Wilson a murderer.

Originally posted by petesahooligan:

Blacks have been equal for years? Uh… not by a long shot. Can you provide any example? Are you talking about professional sports?

No, I think he was referencing Affirmative Action.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Now from the government! Pay per mile!

Originally posted by vikaTae:

Why are we assuming every vehicle is being tracked? All either an odometer or GPS measuring method need to send off is the milage. In the case of a GPS system it can internally discount any milage not done on a public road. Would be easy to set up so if the road’s not on the map, don’t add it.

Twilight, if I gave you a report saying my car did 26,000 miles in the past year, would you be able to use that to determine where I’ve been? What times I went to where? Who I’ve been meeting with?

I’m not sure how people are proposing this be set up, I was just trying to stress that your personal comings and goings are not my business or anyone else’s business, unless you were under investigation by law enforcement. If an agency was able to track at any given moment where someone was, it wouldn’t seem appropriate. We don’t need to know everything from who’s cheating on their spouse, to what stores they frequent (as much as marketers would love to get their hands on such info).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Now from the government! Pay per mile!

Originally posted by Kasic:

Good and bad. Car gets stolen? Track it. You get into an accident out in the middle of nowhere and are unable to call for help? Law enforcement can find you. etc. Does it have the potential for abuse? Certainly – pretty much everything does.

This is a tough one, conceptually. I can definitely see the potential for abuse, and do not see the need for every vehicle to be tracked. That’s the negative aspect.

On the other hand, if a child were stolen and someone managed to get the plate number/description, it could be an invaluable resource for finding them that much sooner.

Edit: So maybe this feature, if it’s becoming the standard for cars, should only be able to be activated/accessed on authority from law enforcement. Just regular Joe’s or government employees looking at your travel habits…not so much.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Should intelligent animals be given more rights?????????

Originally posted by dd790:

Your statement means that to me anyone that doesn’t speak English is not intelligent as I cannot “talk to them one on one and both make sense”. I know a little bit of a few languages and I am able to get by with non-English speakers to an extent using broken bits of language, tone of voice and body language, but the level of communication is probably not far beyond what I have with my dog. He (my dog) understands a few words, what the tone of my voice means, and can read body language better than any person.

Not only that, but they may have latent skills we’re not yet even aware of. Articles have been written about how cats could detect earthquakes well in advance of their occurrence. Also, some researchers are thinking that dogs can be used to detect cancer; they are already widely used in the law enforcement community as search/rescue and drug/bomb detection. These dogs—who go above and beyond the call of duty (whether they know it or not)—are even considered regular peace officers or soldiers

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Should intelligent animals be given more rights?????????

Originally posted by WorthoftheGirth:

what are you a fucking racist

snakes make great pets

Are you serious? I LOL’d at this. I like snakes—I have two of them as pets. But they’re not quite in the same category as the cats.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What the hell is wrong with the country?

Originally posted by masteroftheaxe:

People do not mind working hard to get ahead in a fair system. Sooner or later they tire when they realize the system is rigged and they will never get ahead.

Sadly, very true (especially in a society run by nepotism). People either fight harder, give up, or leave when caught in this predicament, because what’s the point of treading water?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Should intelligent animals be given more rights?????????

OK, let’s make this a more specific discussion. Three different groups:

1. Apes/primates and dolphins

2. Housecats/housedogs/misc. household pets and companions such as ferrets

3. Insects, snakes, and animals of the lower variety (often considered vermin)

Do you think the first two categories should be allowed more rights and considerations than the third? We often do this without thinking about it. For instance, a veterinarian wouldn’t think twice if you stepped on an insect; however, trampling your pet for fun would be considered abuse.

Also, should having a specific breed of animal as a companion (a housecat versus a feral cat) inherently give it more rights? Discuss.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / I am damn tired of Obamacare. Now it's time for the correction. :)

Originally posted by masterofthegun:

You are a fool, how long is the contract you signed? I know over a two year period it usually costs $2,000 – $3,000 for the life of the phone. I thought people would understand I was not directly talking about the phone itself but also the contract.

He’s not a fool, if you were going to be with the same company for several years (and why wouldn’t you, unless you like to jump providers a lot?) you may as well get something free out of it. I never leave AT&T, so I signed on and got a 0.99 iPhone. I know how they are thinking and how their business model works. As long as both parties get something out of it, there’s nothing wrong with that.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Village idiot sent packing

Originally posted by masterofthegun:

The PRESIDENCY is more important to maintain at all costs than the PERSON who is currently President. John F Kennedy forgot that and look what it got him. Obama is heading down the same tracks with the amount of people deep inside the government he is pissing off. Never forget the motto " The magic bullet never stops flying "

Obama is a deeply hateful man who is intent on running this country into the ground. We need real leadership, fast before we enter open civil war.

OK, but what does this have to do with his kids?

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:
I’m a little mixed on this.

That I didn’t expect.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Village idiot sent packing

Originally posted by wildchild2:


What do you think about politicians attacking the family of the enemy side? Be it Republican or Democrat. I find it vile and distasteful. I hope this woman never works anywhere near government again and joins the local McDonalds.

Attacking the family is a pretty low tactic, and most of the general public recognizes that. I was a little disappointed when I heard that the employee in question had criticized Obama’s daughters, because they really didn’t do anything wrong; they were just looking bored while Dad gave a speech (this is normal behavior for someone that age). I think the person who criticized them had probably been criticizing Obama for a while, got carried away, and allowed it to cross over onto his kids.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / I am damn tired of Obamacare. Now it's time for the correction. :)

Originally posted by sanii:

Whats wrong with it being “just a transfer of wealth”? In canada, the rich:

A) Accept that using the Canadian education system, roads, emergency services, infrastructure, subsidies, ect, comes with a indirect cost to pay via taxes.

OR

B) Deny that the Canadian government has helped them in any way in amassing their wealth, and avoid paying said taxes (AKA tax fraud).

In canada, group B is almost universally shunned as unethical and arrogant/lazy/cheap.

I respect and appreciate the Canadian healthcare system (or what I know of it), but things traditionally haven’t been done that way in the U.S., for better or worse. There’s really no perfect system. You can pay high taxes and have no concern as to how you get your healthcare coverage (Canada), but I’m sure there’s often longer wait times. On the other hand, in the U.S., you sometimes have to scramble for coverage—and barring any unique donut holes, it’s there—but it’s often more timely when you get it.

Why are people talking about illegal immigration?

Because the thread got slightly derailed.

Originally posted by wildchild2:

Freeloaders who do not help their tribe need to be banished like the Native Americans used to do, not give them free food and medical care while they do nothing to help the tribe.

Hey, even the Bible says the man who does not work shall not eat. (2 Thessalonians 3:10). I definitely have issues with someone who refuses to get off their ass after an extended period of time.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Stupid People

Originally posted by vikaTae:

I’d class intelligence as the ability to problem-solve, Kasic. The ability to look at a problem or any situation and analyse possible ways out of it.

Interesting. That’s the way our family always assessed the intelligence level of our cats—i.e. Were they able to open the blinds/doors by themselves? Did they respond to training and certain cues after a while or just repeat the same action while expecting different results? I suppose it could be the same for people but on a more sophisticated scale.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why does it seem our colored folk in the country complains a lot?

^ LOL

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / I am damn tired of Obamacare. Now it's time for the correction. :)

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

So, basically….it is just business as usual for those who have been exploiting a group of ppl for years by enticing them to move here w/ the offers of low paying jobs and even lower standards of living than most poor have in America.

I think the big problem here is something Vika alluded to above, which is that it’s placing a strain on an unemployment market that is an Employer’s Market. Discussions in real life abound as to how a bachelor’s degree is becoming the new high school diploma (and by extension, a HS diploma is probably worthless); why is that? At the risk of sounding like an old person, a bachelor’s degree used to actually mean something. I think a big part of the problem is the exploding population—a large part of which are illegals—and the subsequent shifting of lower skilled jobs to people who would have normally commanded a much better salary (since they now have so much competition).

Yeah, let’s blame the wormy cats for coming to our back porch because we toss out our food scraps.


If I’m interpreting this analogy correctly, it sounds as though you say our generous social services are to blame for the feral illegal immigrant problem. If that’s the case, I agree, and think they should be cut off. Why should our states go into deficit bending over backwards to be humanitarian and support citizens that aren’t even ours? As a former professor of mine once said, if an American citizen went down to Mexico and tried to do the same thing, they would be laughed out of the social services building.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Do you guys think the earth has became hell itself?

When I was in medical school I was pretty sure I’d gone to hell.