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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are breasts considered "private" parts?

Back on topic, however, and regarding the issue of hygiene, I’d presume that if people were to expose themselves more openly they’d take greater care towards hygiene, so the problem of transmitting disease would be eliminated that way.

You want to put that trust in the same population that routinely forgoes washing its hands after using a public restroom?


A chap here claims that

In the USA legally if a man can go topless a woman can (State of Florida class action suite). To do otherwise is sexual discrimination.

Any substance to that?

As far as I know only a few states explicitly accept that principle.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are breasts considered "private" parts?

Which also has been addressed. Being naked can have negative consequences, both for the individual and others.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is it too harsh?

Asking someone if they committed a crime that has been spent or sealed is a criminal offense itself. This might vary by state, but in general it is a no-no.

Also, a spent or sealed conviction never happened in legal terms. If the state expunges a conviction, you were never arrested or convicted.

Added – relevant article.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / China's One Child Policy 32 years on: Has it been effective?

Saint, how can the disparity pervade all China if it only affects urban areas?

I just told you that it doesn’t affect only urban areas. The OCP only affects urban areas, the disparity effects everywhere – especially rural areas.

Why would rural areas be in fact affected more?

For various reasons. A significant one is that the cultural norm of preferring male children is more influential among the poor. The OCP only exacerbates the situation.

Specific reasons relate to social security – there is none, so the poor rely on their children to support them. Since the state of gender equality is terrible in China, this means male children are desired for the purpose. Add in the fact that there are incentives for keeping a small number of children (the OCP), and you have a selection mechanism that results in only male children being born or raised.

That they don’t have to choose male children is irrelevant; there are many rewards for only having male children, so it is a tempting selection for the poor.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are breasts considered "private" parts?

I thought his “(anatomy, in this case)” was specifying the kind of repression he meant; any sort of anatomical repression. Repression is probably the wrong word, but we still understand, so meh!

Well, it would still be a terribly inaccurate statement. If someone declined to repress their urge to rub their open sores on you, then I think we could all agree something negative is happening.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is it too harsh?

Originally posted by SVERsniper:
Originally posted by SaintAjora:

Getting charged with a minor civil offense isn’t likely to result in a criminal record. Even in the unlikely chance it did, then it would be wiped later on. In the completely improbable event that such a record is created and persists into adulthood, it won’t ruin anyone’s life.

It has and does, in fact. No matter how small the crime, the criminal record is still just as noticeable, making it much harder for them to make a decent job.

No, not really. A criminal record isn’t created just because you go to court – the judge decides whether something goes on the record or not. A minor, first time civil offense by a child is not going to be put on a permanent record by a judge. Even if a judge was bitter and hateful and did put it on a record, it would be sealed when the child reaches the age of majority. Even if by some significant oversight it wasn’t sealed, a job isn’t going to refuse you over such a little offense. Even some larger offenses aren’t enough to hinder job opportunities; it is felonies and special crimes that tend to do that.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / China's One Child Policy 32 years on: Has it been effective?

The OCP affects a minority of the Chinese population. So the gender disparity affects a minority of the Chinese population.

No, that isn’t how it works. The OCP directly effects a minority of the Chinese population. Yes. However the consequence we are discussing, the significant gender disparity, effects the entirety of China.

So the amount of women to counterbalance this disparity is smaller than it would otherwise be, and as you said, the OCP applies only in urban areas, who, as it turns out, make over three times as much money as the rural Chinese population

Actually, the opposite is true. Rural areas are being disproportionally effected by the disparity. It does also effect urban areas, but the disparity is less pronounced (but still significant).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / China's One Child Policy 32 years on: Has it been effective?

If the gender disparity is going to exist regardless of whether the OCP exists or not, then (as this thread is about the OCP) the gender disparity is irrelevant.

You need to follow what is being said here. The gender disparity exists because of the OCP; this has already been explained in detail. The fact that the OCP does not effect every person in China is completely irrelevant.

They must be pretty significant, if only three other nations have larger populations of immigrants.

As I said.

I would hope you had read your links

I have; you haven’t. Rather than quote mining, try reading the sources to understand that what they are saying.

Yes, there has been migration throughout Chinese history – that is irrelevant. What is relevant is that China has historically restricted such migration.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / grand theft auto: bad influence or just a game.

Originally posted by NickWalker12:

There is no evidence that violent games promotes violent behaivour. If anything its stress relief.

Yes, there is. How that applies to different situations is something to investigate, but there is no doubting that some relationship exists.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Contact: Why Assume?

Why is it assumed in every fictional movie, novel, etc.

…well, not every movie assumes that. In fact, I think quite a few involve aliens whose motivations and intentions are never revealed or are incomprehensible to man. One possible reason for assuming otherwise is that you might be focusing on movies that involve sentient aliens we can relate to as alien movies; sentient aliens we can’t relate to are basically just monsters, making movies they are a part of monster movies (or horror movies, or whatever).

For example, consider the Aliens movies; people can never communicate with the aliens there. Oh, their behavior is certainly observable and leads us to deduce their intentions, but it’s not like you can negotiate with them. 2001 A Space Odyssey posits that they are so far beyond our comprehension that they don’t even manage screen time, being described more contextually. The Abyss involves some sort of aquatic alien thingy that is pretty much uncommunicative with humans.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / China's One Child Policy 32 years on: Has it been effective?

If the one child policy isn’t doing very much to very many people, then not very much needs to be done to counterbalance it, smarts.

There is something to counterbalance – the gender disparity. It doesn’t matter how many people the OCP directly effects. The gender disparity exists regardless.

If America, far away from China, with large immigration restrictions in its post-9-11 society, can have a large Chinese immigrant population, why can’t other nations be the same way?

Well first off, the immigration population probably reached an approximation of its current size long before such restrictions. Second, I don’t know that they are actually all that significant (at least for the Chinese; Middle Easterners are likely to have a different experience).

As to why other nations don’t happen to have such large populations of Chinese immigrants…I’ve already explained some reasons. The U.S. is an attractive destination that is moderately open to immigrants. Other nations aren’t, either by choice (refusing immigrants) or happenstance (having weaker economies).

I would like you to prove that historically, China has kept firm control of migration.

Internal migration
Internal migration II

Emigration
Emigration II

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is it too harsh?

Getting charged with a minor civil offense isn’t likely to result in a criminal record. Even in the unlikely chance it did, then it would be wiped later on. In the completely improbable event that such a record is created and persists into adulthood, it won’t ruin anyone’s life.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are breasts considered "private" parts?

I do, however, maintain the belief that any sort of repression (anatomy, in this case) is a negative influence in the world.

I get the feeling repression isn’t the word you really want to use there, but I’ll run with it.

Does that include repression of aggressive impulses? Should people lash out violently whenever we feel frustrated?
How about repression of envy? Should people just take what they want when they want it?

Society can’t function without repression of certain things. From that perspective it isn’t just a positive influence, it is a necessary one.

Now what is being repressed might vary, but that is going to be a social norm and not some universal rule.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / China's One Child Policy 32 years on: Has it been effective?

In China, you can only have one child.

Not true at all. The one child policy applies to urban couples, and even then there are several situations in which they are allowed to have multiple children. In short, the OCP effects a minority of Chinese citizens.

Anyway, if Chinese are able to easily immigrate to America, then they should be able to immigrate to countries with customs that aren’t nearly as strict, and are much closer.

At no point did I say or insinuate that the Chinese are able to easily immigrate to America. I said immigration is always difficult; it just happens that many go through the trouble of immigrating to the U.S.

The reason why is important. Moving is an act that requires an expenditure of energy, regardless of whether it is down the street or across the world. A decision to move requires a calculation of the costs versus the benefits. Migrating between nations always has a relatively high cost – these costs include direct costs (plane tickets, paperwork, lawyers) and indirect costs (having to rebuild social networks, find new support systems). Therefore the payoffs need to be relatively high to justify it.

Based on the numbers, it would appear that local countries can’t offer payoffs that justify the costs (a consideration for both the individual and China as a nation).

Can you prove that? I always thought that China’s geographic isolation cut them off from any logical immigration, out or in.

What are you asking me to prove? That people can travel across the oceans? That there are many Chinese immigrants in America?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / China's One Child Policy 32 years on: Has it been effective?

In a short time, the Chinese won’t be making very little, as shrinking population+growing economy=higher income per capita.

The population isn’t shrinking. It is simply growing slower than it might under other circumstances.

Who said they’d go to the US? There are other countries far closer. I’m thinking Southeast Asia and Russia at the moment.

I mention the U.S. because many seek to go there. Only three other nations have a larger population of Chinese immigrants.

It is true that there are several options, but they all involve costs that many people are going to be unable or unwilling to pay.


I should also point out that historically China has kept strict control of migration. China is actually (at least policy-wise) more interested in getting Chinese individuals to return to China than to send Chinese individuals elsewhere.

Also worth mentioning is that there is a recent trend of increased repatriation.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / New Planet?

I’m pretty sure that isn’t the case. There are some long term effects that aren’t necessarily easy to repair, especially regarding the circulatory, muscular, and skeletal systems. The longer you are in space, the more of a problem it becomes.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / New Planet?

How do astronauts deal with it?

Constant exercise and short missions. Despite that, they always take a hit to their health for it.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Can Barack's plan pay off US debt?

Lastly, US soldiers do not violate the rules of war.

Sure they do. There are many individual incidents; some of the most well known include Abu Ghraib, the Mahmudiyah rape and murder, the Haditha massacre, the Mukaradeeb wedding party massacre, the FOB Ramrod kill team, and so on.

in our current war we are not massacring civilians.

There have been several massacres in both Iraq and Afghanistan, some under orders and some not.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / China's One Child Policy 32 years on: Has it been effective?

Is it long and costly in China? You’ll have to prove that.

It is long and costly everywhere. Even flying within a country is expensive, particularly when you make very little. If you want an idea of the exact numbers you’ll have to pick destinations though, since the amounts can vary significantly. For example, if they wanted to go as far as the U.S. it would cost thousands just for a flight and a temporary visa. If they are moving there they have to pay thousands more; they need to pay in order to become a citizen, secure housing and work, and so on.

And, as I said earlier, they can always take women back with them.

In which case they would still be paying all those costs, except instead of paying to get themselves somewhere else they would be paying someone else to come.

That of course is assuming any woman would want to move to another country to live with a man who can’t afford to leave the country himself.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Legalize LSD..?

And yet, Alcohol is legal.

With a staggering number of fatalities attributed to it as a result. I’m not saying an outright ban is necessarily the best answer, but it is something that ought to be considered when making policy.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are breasts considered "private" parts?

whut

You said no one has ever gotten an STD from a toilet seat, and then promptly listed an exception. The exception tells us the original statement (that no one has ever gotten one) is false.

ouch. You’re right, this might be a problem.

Also keep in mind that most other sitting surfaces don’t have gaps in the genital area like toilets do, so you would also lose that level of protection. No flushing for the fecal matter either.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Legalize LSD..?

Well, if they were only a risk to themselves I suppose that is one thing; one argument I see popping up is that they aren’t only a risk to themselves. If you are having hallucinations while driving, as an example, you become a threat to everyone else on or near the road.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are breasts considered "private" parts?

So, if i’m not wearing clothes, I could just get an STD out the blue?

You could. Hell, you could get one even wearing clothes. It’s just a matter of the odds changing under various conditions.

Clothes acts as a layer of protection from various infectious agents. Not wearing clothes increases the chance that a person with the infection will leave it somewhere, and not wearing clothes increases the chance that another personal will contract whatever is left behind. Even if the odds are low, they are increased by the lack of protection.


You have yet to explain why no one has ever gotten an STD from a toilet seat, with exception of perhaps lice.

An exception means someone, not no one.


It is also worth mentioning that the toilet seat argument is a flawed one when trying to generalize the health risks of public nudity. Toilets are a very specific environment, and what applies to them might not apply to different environments. If people are all nude all the time, then the shared surfaces don’t just include dry porcelain – the shared surfaces increases to surfaces made of plastic, stone, wood, and son; it increases to surfaces that are wet and dry; it increases to surfaces that are well let and unlit…the list goes on.

Thus even if it were impossible to contract any STD (or other condition) from a toilet seat, it wouldn’t mean there is no risk.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Legalize LSD..?

supposedly no recorded deaths from overdose…

Reported death from overdose [PDF].

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why are breasts considered "private" parts?

Except there are ways, as I explained.