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Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / What the heck...NO SCRATH ON THEM!

To be fair, if it’s a bug, you should tell the devs, not spread it on the forums.

On another note, it’s hard to not troll you as you are apparently raging. Perhaps if you didn’t exaggerate or sound terribly pissed, you wouldn’t be so easy to laugh at.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Tips on Scavenging and Raiding

Originally posted by mhoffer:

should barricades and traps be made by drop offs, storages, or both. Which can raiders loot from?

I suggest only trapping and barricading storage areas. Drop-offs are renewable and barely give any resources to begin with.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / New weapon (gun)

Since I’m not fond of quote pyramids:

Slipped up on the m/s and ft/s.

Problem is it being battery/gas powered as you’ve said.

Although most guns use magazines, of course their reload times are balanced as the devs see fit. However, it is rather long to reload as you have to load two different items into the gun. Of course, balancing the reload means it has to belong to a weapon class so it can follow a stereotypical reload time (A la LMG’s being loaded longer and pistols faster).

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / New weapon (gun)

Originally posted by spaced_monkey:

Originally posted by The_Grenadier:

So it’s basically the air gun from Mythbusters + nails?

Link us to the website. 1400 feet per second?

Beretta 92’s have a muzzle velocity of 1250 feet per second.
Regular nailguns have a muzzle velocity ranging from 400-580 feet per second.

Please, enlighten us with this wonderful invention. I’m rather ready to ask secondary questions.

http://www.personalinjury.com/nail_gun_accidents.html
http://home.howstuffworks.com/nail-gun4.htm

these sites say otherwise i can also can get a site that shows a human head x ray with 30 nails in too just to show you there already being used down in Australia to kill people ;)

Ballistics test showing that the common nailgun has an average velocity of 400-580 ft/s: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21607714

Why the kind of nailgun you stated above (Gas or battery powered) won’t work:
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-concrete-nail-gun.htm

Second link is a nailgun specializing in concrete, however, you cannot just use air pressure for this one as it requires gunpowder, effectively making it a firearm, not a “Gas or battery-powered” tool.

Furthermore, this link: http://www.personalinjury.com/nail_gun_accidents.html is stating that they only have the power to penetrate 10 centimeters, not 10 inches, as your first post stated.

Lastly, the reload would be retardedly long if we are using said concrete nail guns as you have to load two items. The nail and the gunpowder: http://hostedmedia.reimanpub.com/TFH/Step-By-Step/FH00FEB_POWTOO_02.JPG

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Alarm for test raids or testing your defences

“Let’s spawn all five hundred zombies in one go, surely the person playing this will have the processing power and the firepower to handle the sudden swarm of zombies that consist mostly of fat people and military servicemen wearing bullet-resistant armor!”

There’s a reason why zombies don’t spawn in retardedly huge numbers.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / New weapon (gun)

So it’s basically the air gun from Mythbusters + nails?

Link us to the website. 1400 feet per second?

Beretta 92’s have a muzzle velocity of 1250 feet per second.
Regular nailguns have a muzzle velocity ranging from 400-580 feet per second.

Please, enlighten us with this wonderful invention. I’m rather ready to ask secondary questions.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / why fight work together and share rescources

Fundamentally, the human race is an insane species. Lock two people in a room and feed them regularly, then wait a few months to see them take sides and find excuses to kill each other.

Also, you have to study a tad bit of psychology to understand that not all people share your view. You see, everyone has their own mentality. The apocalypse provide stress and a new slate. People you knew may already be dead so you can turn a new leaf by doing whatever you thought was previously morally questionable or straight-up immoral.

No laws to follow and no rules set mean that they are free to do whatever they want with the only consequence being their demise. They’ll follow whatever they believe is the most logical choice of actions whether it be stealing food from your neighbors or trading something for them. Conflicting interests between groups create rivalries and often lead to hostile action as well.

In short, every group of survivors in the game is experiencing a Cold War with other groups. It’s hard to tell whether or not either one will help, fight or stand down.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Tips on Scavenging and Raiding

Originally posted by Pludge:

Okay, I have my main guy, who is equipped with a shotgun (the one you get from the trader) and an ammo pouch to speed up reload. Secondly, I have a medic who has a quickload PP9 (or something like that) and a hand cloth thing that speeds up scavenging speed. Lastly, I have a recon who has a lawson .22 and another ammo pouch to speed up reload. The horde that attacks daily seems to be getting increasingly harder, and 1 of my 3 survivors were incapatated today. But the others survived. I think I need more survivors, how do I attract them? I have 4 beds, one of which is level 3, and a shower. But still only 3 survivors.

Click on the blue bar to the top-right of the screen. The requirements consist of food, water, security, morale and comfort. Fill up all these requirements and you’ll get a new survivor.

On another note, you can apply some scavenging tips for zombie raids. It’s also advisable to use your best gun as there isn’t any ammo requirement.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Battle Modes

Auto-healing medics would be a pain if you need them for some firepower.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Battle Modes

You mean automating their actions the same way RTS game units behave? (Like a medic unit automatically healing, or the capability to select everything and make them act in unison)

There’d be no challenge, then.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Tips on Scavenging and Raiding

Originally posted by 6thgraderhere:

Originally posted by Pludge:

This is very helpful, thanks, but where is the best area to find guns that aren’t pistols? Im only level 4, and have searched 4 streets and a police building. All I have found is pistols. Any advice?

You can’t really find anything except handguns in those lvls, Hunter Compacts start dropping in lvl 6+, best to get some recons before you find any.

Thou forgot about thy Manning .22’s.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Tips on Scavenging and Raiding

Originally posted by Marine851:

@point 11: My fighters have melee, and my scavvs have shotguns. Scavs are not meatshields, and they should stay away from melee range.

Give someone a melee weapon, they turn into ninjas who can practically dodge 80% of the time. Now, the only real time you’d need a scavenging unit (Not necessarily a Scavenger) to fight as well is when you are facing a horde that your other survivors are barely coping with due to long reload times or an absurd number of zombies.

If you’re scavenging with a unit with a gun, the moment duty calls, you risk getting yourself getting caught reloading. Not only that, but gun-users cannot dodge, again, placing another risk when reloading.

The advantage melee users have over gun users is the lack of reloads and the capability to dodge, you can leave them alone for a while and they can manage, but place a gun user in the frontline, and you’ll experience trouble the moment you need to reload.

I’m implying that you can leave melee units to a horde of zombies, move your heavily wounded gun users slightly away from them so they can reload, make the melee units fend them off for a few seconds, then finish off with a blaze of glory and then heal afterwards.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Bounty Office?

If they were anonymous, I wouldn’t be able to make a revenge list :D

On a more serious note, bounty attacks are just like raids, function like raids and is, technically, a raid, but with a collectible reward in the end. It would be confusing as trying to raid someone in the bounty list doesn’t necessarily mean they’re after the bounty. What you’re implying is that any attempt at attacking the bountied player is anonymous, however, the bounty can only be claimed once. That would mean that any failed attempt would also count as anonymous and it’s hard to distinguish a person after a bounty, or just there for the exp.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Tips on Scavenging and Raiding

Raiding
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Planning

1. View your compound-to-be raided. Study the positions of defenses and obvious holes in them. Be sure to rotate your camera to check it from both angles.

2. The most important to note is where the enemy’s survivors are. Towers are almost-always occupied as they give a range bonus. Heavily barricaded areas are usually telltale signs of survivors’ potential locations.

3. Spot any free cover you may use while viewing the compound. This is easily exploited when fighting low-levels who have no experience in raid defense. They usually leave free cover strewn about- A word of caution, however. Higher-leveled players often trap the “Free Cover”.

4. Spot any open entrances you may exploit. An unguarded entrance that leads to a fortification’s back door entrance gives you the opportunity to catch any enemy survivors uncovered.

5. Explosives are excellent tools for clearing out clusters of enemy survivors, so while viewing enemy compounds, look for blind spots like the corners of the main warehouse that allow you to toss grenades at an angle that will harm the enemy without bringing harm to yourself.

6. Smoke grenades, when thrown give you opportunities to move your survivors as anyone in the smoke cannot fire or be fired at. They will not, however, work when thrown at towers since they are elevated.

7. Barricades only protect from one side and ONLY work if a survivor is crouched next to it. This is easily exploited if one attacks from the side. Even if a survivor is walled in, if they are not hugging the barricade where the gunfire comes from, they will not benefit from cover.

8. In the event that all the enemy’s entrances are covered, spawn in the direction of what you think is the LEAST populated. Then proceed to wipe them out one by one. Divide and Conquer.

9. Procure at least two long rifles and use them during the raid. Range and accuracy are more important than RoF or DPS as your strategy will always involve plenty of sniping.

10. Always have a healing unit inside your team.
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Attacking

1. RESOURCES GO LAST as looting with survivors around possesses potential hazards. If you’re pressed for time, loot what you can but don’t force yourself to loot everything.

2. In your spawn points, there are pieces of cover that provide moderate protection. ALWAYS SPAWN IN THEM in the event that your chosen spawn point comes under fire.

3. If all enemy survivors are clumped up, spawn as far away from them as possible. If you catch one of them’s attention, everyone else will fire regardless of their effective ranges.

4. Always bring a strong melee unit with a vest for improvised trap-disarming (Read, walking over them) and destroying barricades.

5. DO NOT engage in a war of attrition where their survivors are fighting against your survivors in their effective range. You’re also outnumbered, seeing as you can only raid with 5, but the maximum survivors they can have is 10.

6. Always engage from a distance regardless of effective range. Bullets =/= Zombies’ attack damage. Not to mention that they also have the chance to crit. This is where long rifles come into play.

7. If you need to disarm traps in a pinch, send a fighter with a vest and full health and make him/her walk over the trap. Be sure to heal quickly afterwards.

8. Grenades are thrown in a straight line but have an explosive radius. Angle your throws so that you’ll damage them or their fortifications without putting yourself in harm’s way.

9. Suppression is important. Suppress those in towers first as they have a better chance to hit you. If you’re also suppressed, counter-suppress or throw a smoke grenade in your area.

10. Enemy AI will only fire at what last fired at them unless someone enters their effective range. Use this to move melee units closer to destroy barricades or wipe them out through destruction of a barricade and entering from the back entrance and slaughtering them all when they reload.

11. Gates are strange. If you take cover in them, you can neither hit nor get hit by bullets on the opposite side of the gate- Provided you’re hugging the gate.

12. Traps being disarmed should be purely situational as disarming takes time and failure to do so triggers the trap. Double-traps should be completely ignored as attempting to disarm one triggers the other.

13. Know when to quit. Failed raids return nothing.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Tips on Scavenging and Raiding

My old post got the formatting ruined because of the massive wall of text, my best solution is to make a new thread, anyway, feel free to contribute provided you know what you’re doing.

Scavenging

Best places for…
Raw Materials – Hardware stores/Large Hardware stores
Useful components – Small Warehouses/Warehouses
Electronic Scrap – Offices/Large Offices
Food/Water – Supermarkets/Large Supermarkets
Wooden/Cloth Junk – Residences/Large Residences
Melee Weapons – Residences/Large Residences/Small Warehouses/Warehouses/Subways
Ranged Weapons – Security/Gun stores/Highways/Streets/Suburban Streets/Large Parks
Grenades – Streets/Large Parks (Practically anything with military presence)
Everything, but in low quantities – Department stores/Stores

Construction sites do not give cloth and their metal/wood output is lower than that of large hardware stores.

1. Line of sight is important. It is imperative that all your ranged units can support everyone in case one gets swarmed and is reloading.

2. Set a pattern for scavenging. It’s best to follow a plan where you would pick up items along the way going to and going back to ensure maximum efficiency. Do it clockwise/counterclockwise, most looting areas usually have little-to-no items in the central path.

3. Maximize range as much as possible but be aware of the environment. The effective range of your guns are shown in a white circle. This also tells you where auto-aim engages and does its dirty work. DO NOT make gun-users hug the wall unless it’s really a tight corridor. You see, guns are less powerful per shot than a melee weapon. To effectively kill a zombie, one must aim and shoot until the target succumbs to its wounds. However, melee weapons of the same level as the gun can usually dispatch a zombie easily and quickly but will only automatically attack if the zombie is inside the invisible proximity line (Which I assume is 5-6). Point in case, guns have the advantage of shooting zombies safely and afar so the only way a well-setup group of gunslingers can get injured is if the user moves them to a tight area where there is little time to aim or shoot the required number of bullets to down a zombie. Shortened: Centralize the shooter and make sure they are as distant as possible from a zombie entrance yet still be in their weapon’s effective range.

4. Coordinate the group and make sure they support each other. Self-explanatory.

5. Melee units advance to the next area/room first. Melee users can dodge unlike gun-users and if an area is loaded with zombies, your shooters will usually run out of ammo fast and get swarmed unless given the opportunity to reload properly. Move melee in first THEN maximize the range of shooters by placing them slightly away from the melee-users. This will ensure that they’ll support each other.

6. As demonstrated above, melee units serve as “Tanks” or, as I’d like to call them, “Meatshields”. Their innate chance to dodge gives them a longer lifespan and the lack of reloads make them absolutely essential in close quarters.

7. Guns are strictly for when the zombies get tough. Ammo is hard to come by in bulk unless you’re a higher level and you wouldn’t want to use your precious M249 with an ammo cost of 128 to raid one of the lvl 1 residences back in Riverside North, would you?

8. Melee spare melee units act as bodyguards for gun-users. Say I have a team of 3, one scavenger, a fighter and a recon. While the scavenger does his thing, the recon shoots at would-be perpetrators while the fighter protects him for when he reloads.

9. Explosives are strictly for raids. No matter how tempting it may be to blow zombies up, it’s not worth it. Looted explosives are rare and hard to come by and crafting them requires precious fuel. Plus, it will only be effective the time you throw it, the moment it explodes, several zombies die but the horde is still coming.

10. Recognize “Safe” areas while looting. Like say, the left part of a large hardware store surrounded by palette holders. There isn’t a zombie spawn there and there is only one entrance. It’s best to just leave other survivors outside so that they’ll always be mobile.

11. Scavenging survivors should only be given melee weapons. First they’ll have chances to block. Second, it saves ammo. Third, the only time other survivors need the scavenger’s help is when they can’t cope with the horde and are unable to reload. This is where melee users shine as they’ll cut through the horde then resume scavenging.

12. Don’t call off a looting command simply because of a nearby zombie. First off, your team should be close enough to manage to kill that zombie. Second, he/she can dodge. Third, a looting action will keep going until the looter stumbles from knockback. This is, of course non-applicable to those close to death.

13. If you move away during a zombie’s attack animation, regardless of how close/far you moved, it will deal no damage. The only way for you to get hit by a zombie is if you’re standing still.

14. Regarding, 13. In the event you do have enough time and looted all containers, position your gunners in the middle of an open area to maximize their range and have a melee unit run around the map to attract zombies to your gunners for extra exp. You’ll have to abuse advice #13 since even dogs can’t hit a moving fighter. It’s best done with a completely zoomed-out screen so that you may see your gunners and your runner. Once close to running outta time, just pack up your troops to the exit zone.

15. High-health survivors like fighters can be placed in the frontline even with guns provided they have backup. When the going gets tough, just heal them from behind and let them soak up all the damage. Problem is, however, if your medic or leader can heal fast enough.

16. Your survivor’s AI is terrible at pathfinding through zombies and other survivors. Simply put, if your survivors are in each other’s way, they’ll attempt to weakly push whatever model is in front of them and will not auto-attack/retaliate if hit. This is potentially lethal as you’d be lacking in firepower by one. This can be avoided, however, by not clumping up your survivors in a dot. Making them hug walls in tight corridors with some spacing on the other side for walking is a good example.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Clearing inventory

Originally posted by fatboy8898:

I’ve 70 books, you tell me what to do with em? You forgot to add in those weapons and gears who are higher than your survivors which you intended to keep for later on. So I’ll assume your calculation is wrong.

Why, in freck’s name, would you keep 70 books?

There was no real calculation, it’s merely a speculation of an optimized inventory.

Now let’s add up the supposed future gear.

252 + 40 + 40 = 332

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Clearing inventory

Originally posted by Marine851:

Inventory has been at least 90% full for a while, and it’s hard to lower it below that. Almost cleaned out junk, and got rid of soem weapons and gear. But I want some weapons and gear for crafting/use/upgrading and recycling components isn’t an option. Any advice?

You have around 500 slots.

There are 83 components total listed in the wiki (Including holiday items) that can be stacked for an infinite number of times.
There’s a maximum of 10 survivors, let’s say you give them 4 different weapons each, one for defense, one for scavenging, one for raiding and another for melee. Let’s say you also have 4 different gears each for them and all 9 active gear slots taken. Let’s also say you have 30 books.

Let’s add up.

83 (Max component types) + 40 (Weapons) + 40 (Gear) + 9 (Active Gear Slots) + 30 (Books) = 202

In the amazing event you collect rares and manage to find 50, the total would be 252. I’m not at all convinced you cleared out or you have that many slots taken.

That makes me assume you have a hundred or so weapons and other gear. Along with all the possible junk.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Bounty system - FIX THIS!

Originally posted by Brian_2_1:

Originally posted by The_Grenadier:

Anyone with a bounty on their head experiences attacks on a regular basis.

It’s quite common for them to get raided at least five times- All while destroying their barricades.

Removing protection just makes things worse for them.

Wouldnt someone with a bounty on their heads be someone who raids others?

If you dont like being attacked…dont attack others.

On a serious note, how long is the protection after being attacked? Ive seen some people get rid of the protection quickly, while others have it for like 24+ hours

It’s quite easy to tolerate retaliations. However, this form of “Revenge” employs multiple 3rd parties. In my first bounty, I have been raided 11 times, everything was completely destroyed.

Now, I employ a little form of “Etiquette” when raiding where I only destroy the minimum amount of barricades needed and only loot what I need (Usually, only ammo).

So I raided x person once, in return, he puts a bounty on me and then I get raided ten times, all with acts of griefing. It’s not a fair trade.

Now let’s employ an example. Let’s say y is a curious low-level experimenting with raiding. He succeeds, however, the person he raided puts a bounty on him. When he logs back in the next day, he will notice that everything he worked so hard for is gone. It literally puts him back to square one. “How will I send them on missions without ammo?” “I don’t have enough melee weapons” “Fk this, I’m quitting”

And now this lovely topic is asking to get rid of the precious protection victims rely on to shield them. If you do a raid, that’s around 8 minutes. However, there’s always someone waiting in line after you. If said person gets attacked every 8 minutes, how many raiders will that equate to when said person is only gone for 3 hours? What will the owner see when he logs back in? Destruction.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Bounty system - FIX THIS!

Anyone with a bounty on their head experiences attacks on a regular basis.

It’s quite common for them to get raided at least five times- All while destroying their barricades.

Removing protection just makes things worse for them.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Something's wrong.

Quality’s been the same since the four hours I played today.

Returned, still the same situation.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Something's wrong.

I couldn’t explain the situation with the title alone, however, here’s my problem:

I log in, order some high-level automated missions or other tasks, leave.

I log back in two hours later, all survivors are in the compound just wandering around when they shouldn’t be back in four more hours.

Another thing to note is that the stuff I also put in the recycler wasn’t even put in there. They’re still in my storage, unrecycled, when I swore I queued them up for the recycler.

An extra detail I’d like to add is that the compound is terribly low-detailed, same goes for the map, it’s as if the game’s still buffering the details. (http://puu.sh/2tMEi) (http://puu.sh/2tMFN)

Connection’s not an issue since I’m still connected to the chat.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Best PVP/PVZ setup for under level 12?

The initial setup at the first post is only good for zombies in my opinion.

Raiders with Hunter Compacts would just camp at the starting cover positions with glasses and fire at will. Automatics aren’t so useful at range and if fired upon at an angle, not all your shooters will be able to fire back. Also, cover will only works if it’s facing the direction of gunfire. If your survivors are at the large barricades facing the lower-right, their cover will be nothing if fired from the side. Surrounding yourself with barricades may make you feel visually secure, but it can still be flanked regardless if your survivors are crouching behind two layers or so. The only barricade that matters is the one closest to the survivor.

For PvE, you don’t need to put the spike barriers in front of of your barricades. If I were you, I’d just make a winding path with a gate. Just open the gate to your survivors and the zombies will always route towards it regardless of how long the distance is unless they cannot reach it by other means. It’s also effective if you put wire traps in front of the gate.

I’m not fond of giving layouts since I’d feel like my little “Experiments” are wasted. Simply put, I’m just criticizing you. The best layout, you’ll have to find yourself.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / Someone collected my bounty, but my leader was on a mission.

That’s rather strange.

You got a bounty and someone successfully claimed it the first time?

Wow. I find it unrealistic however, the lack of your leader’s presence aside, if your survivors got killed by an initial raid with up to five survivors, then your defenses must be terribly lacking.

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / How to get Car Batteries?

tlaststand.wikia.com/component

So, do I get a cookie?

Topic: The Last Stand: Dead Zone / thoughts and suggestions

Dude.

This game’s emphasis is survival.

Don’t make it some misbegotten and twisted farmville.