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Topic: Serious Discussion / GOP and DNC

I think what Kasic might’ve been implying is that the Democrats are also in bed with the wealthy Karma. That’s probably true for at least some Democrats. So it’s not really a party lines issue.

A large amount of society is drinking lead in Flint due to pipes that need to be replaced.

that wasn’t the cause of the issue though. The cause was a ‘cost-saving measure’. Rather than pay for clean water from Detroit the Flint administration took river water into the pipes directly, not realising how basic chemistry works. As a result of their ‘cost-saving measure’ Flint’s now looking at a massive increase in its civic expenditure.

Ultimately it’s the raw stupidity of the administration that’s to blame there, and that’s not going to be a party-lines issue, but a basic incompetence one.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / American wymyn will soon be forced to sign up for the draft

Minimum health and mental health, definitely. Fitness is also vital for now. Long term, that requirement will fade. The other two, not so much.

Color, creed, sex, age, whatever. Doesn’t matter. Are you fit? Are you sane? Are you healthy? You can join the military.

This is going to become more and more important as time goes on. Remote embodiment (which we already have in the form of drones, and the petman projesct could already be turned to) increasingly means the physical fitness level of an individual doesn’t matter. Their stature, their physical strength ceases to matter as their physical body isn’t the one on the front lines.

For now the US is struggling to even accept both genders can fight (something most every other military already knows). It’ll most likely be a long, long time after remote embodiment is commonplace, the the US even considers that it doesn’t actually matter if the person pulling the trigger is 4’9" or weighs 400lbs. Or is 85 and has pancreatic cancer. So long as the force on the front lines is just as strong as ever, none of that really matters. It’ll take a long time for the US military to figure that out, but in the end, figure it out they will.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / GOP and DNC

Originally posted by Kasic:

I wouldn’t even call the GOP/Tea Party’s tone anti-intellectual.

I think I would. The further to the extremes you go, the more likely you are to see intellectuals as a threat. People who if you’re on the extreme edge you tend to believe think they know better than you about everything & therefore people to both be distrusted, shunned and brought low.

the GOP isn’t particularly anti-intellectual, but the tea party is.

As you go further and further to the right (or the left for that matter) you move further and further away from the point where the facts on any given issue are ideologically comfortable to you. Eventually it becomes a matter of ideology to protect people from the facts, often by any means necessary.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Bernie Sanders fatal flaw.

Originally posted by Bobneson:

Ruining the natural beauty is a real concern. Wind Mills when applied right don’t look so bad. I don’t agree putting them in naturally beautiful areas. I don’t agree putting much of anything that’s ugly in naturally beautiful areas.
I am all for them being applied near developed areas.

You seriously believe that 13 turbines two miles off shore is ‘ruining the natural beauty’ of an area?


Originally posted by issendorf:

That probably wouldn’t even make the top 100 reasons of why I’m terrified of the thought of President Trump.

Probably not, but it is a good argument to make, if you wish to get through to one of those who worship the ground Trump walks on, that perhaps voting for him might not be the best of ideas after all.

It still probably won’t get through to Bob, but it has a better chance than any other argument I can think of.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The first plasma: the Wendelstein 7-X fusion device is now in operation

How’s about the wheel? That technological innovation made life quite a bit easier, but I can’t think of any way it negatively impacted on the societies we had at the time.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Bernie Sanders fatal flaw.

Originally posted by petesahooligan:

Or are you suggesting that Trump’s ability to accumulate wealth has somehow improved our nation? I don’t really get it.

Problem is, he really doesn’t have an ability to accumulate wealth. He started out with the wealth, and has demonstrated an unerring ability to spend it on really bad business decisions, consistently netting less than he started out with.

I’m not convinced that putting such a person in charge of the nation’s fiscal policies is a terribly wise idea.


Originally posted by RollerCROWster:

How is this a “fatal” flaw?

is he going to die if we dont elect him?

Eventually, yes he will. That is guaranteed.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / American wymyn will soon be forced to sign up for the draft

Originally posted by RollerCROWster:

I think this is great. Now there can be more gender equality in the military.

I tend to agree with you here Crow. If it passes it will be a good step towards gender equality in the military. Equality means equal responsibilities just as much as equal rights after all.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Bernie Sanders fatal flaw.

Originally posted by Frostbringer:

Seriously, this men didn’t earn his money, but got it from his parents. And now there is a lot less of it left. And he actually burns through his remaining money with a fascinating speed.

the good news (for his clan) is that if he is elected president, he’ll have access to a lot more money to pour into his business ideas. He’ll be able to run the nation like one of his corporations, and pour money into as many prestige-building projects as he likes.

That’s the very real concern I, and I suspect rather a lot of others have; that if he has consistently failed to manage a budget (he has, on every one of his companies, failed to manage a budget) and consistently pulled money out of them to work on his own vanity projects, is he not going to do the exact same thing with a country he’s in charge of?

In short, the very real concern is he’d run the country right into the ground, the same as he’s done with every business venture he’s been in charge of.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The first plasma: the Wendelstein 7-X fusion device is now in operation

Bob, I type directly into the textbox here. Unless I intend it to be a large article (2k words+), in which case I’ll type it up in OpenOffice first, then transfer to a visual web editor to translate the formatting into html for me, then paste here.

None of my posts to date in this thread have used that method; all were simple enough to just type directly.

If you would consider breaking your text up into paragraphs, so that people other than yourself can read it easily, that would be a huge help. As it is, it looks like you are deliberately trying to obsfucate your text as much as possible.


Tulrog, what I get from his position is he hates technology in general. He doesn’t even care that fusion power is likely to make many of the world’s problem go away – he even referred to it as fission power the last time he spoke of it, proving he really doesn’t give a damn about what the technology is or what it does … Proving that he’s just against it on principle.

Originally posted by Bobneson:

However as of now I’m not stating my opinion on Nuclear Fission Plasma or whatever it’s called.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Bernie Sanders fatal flaw.

Truly, Frostbringer. For a man of Trump’s considerable wealth, I’d love to hear how he’s leveraged that power and influence to make the world a better place. Not only have I not heard that, I haven’t heard anyone else express interest in it.

He’s been bringing his considerable wealth to bear in Scotland, fighting legal challenge after legal challenge after legal challenge against the Scottish government for trying to build offshore wind-farms within sight of his coastal golf-courses as they risk ruining the natural beauty of the area by having pylons visibly rising out of the sea.

He’s taken it to the highest court in the country and lost – but vowed to keep on fighting with legal challenge after legal challenge so his guest’s views aren’t interrupted by the distant powerplant.

Does that count as levering power and influence to make the world a (better?) place?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The first plasma: the Wendelstein 7-X fusion device is now in operation

I’m not saying you’re stupid. You come across as highly selfish, and communicate poorly. If what you are saying isn’t what you meant to say, that’s on you to clarify. You were given the opportunity by Stan and you chose not to.

The rest of your post I’ll address when you can be bothered to format it so it is reasonably readable.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Black Students: "Give us separate but equal segregated dorms!!"

So that would be the source of the contaminated water then – water packaged in odd, opaque plastic boxes with no visible ingredients listing (such as which impurities are in the water or where it was sourced from). Are a majority of these people drinking it? If so, we might just have found our vector :)

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Black Students: "Give us separate but equal segregated dorms!!"

Originally posted by RollerCROWster:

POCs are LITERALLY being OPPRESSED at water fountains, so making separate but equal water fountains for them is the safest way to go

For these specific individuals yes. Their skin colour is irrelevant, but something in the water seems to be making them act rather crazy, so absolutely I don’t wish to be drinking the same water as them! :)

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The first plasma: the Wendelstein 7-X fusion device is now in operation

So if we were living in Bob’s ‘ideal world’ Bob would basically be long dead by now.

It looks like he owes his continued survival to his current age to the very things he hates – continued technological growth, understanding of the interconnectivity of nature, medical care, telecommunications (providing distribution of knowledge) and the power infrastructure that ultimately makes these things possible.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The first plasma: the Wendelstein 7-X fusion device is now in operation

Originally posted by Bobneson:
Some of the propositions which I brought were solar energy. “Won’t help”. Well, it’ll at least satisfy the energy interests of such homes, while lessening CO2 output of such homes.

you could bomb every home on the planet into oblivion, and it won’t put a dent in our energy usage. Individual home electricity simply isn’t the problem.

Then we could maybe concentrate the main energy efforts towards industrialization.

They already are. Your ‘solution’ changes nothing.

I am really just thinking of people in the 18th century, who, the alive people, did just fine without “medicines and current technology”. I simply was proposing that we live like them.

So, you want the disabled to die, you want the old and infirm to die. That won’t be enough. What percentage of human life on Earth are you talking about killing? My estimate is about 50%, or in your country alone 150 million Americans have to die. I’m probably lowballing it by quite a lot.

We shut down power to the farms, shut down power to the transportation networks, shut down power to manufacturing, shut down power to the hospitals and care homes. Crops are produced by hand labour alone. Crops are taken to market by horse and cart or walked there. Anyone outside of the cart’s range of the field… sucks to be them, doesn’t it.

All those big cities? They have to die. We go back to being an agrarian society with 90% of the workforce involved in the fields. Anyone who cannot work hard labour? well, they’ll have to die.

We’ll almost completely reduce the C02 output, which will prevent Global Warming from ever happening.

So where does time-travel factor into this, I didn’t realise you actually meant ’we’ll load the entitre human race onto a giant spaceship and physically transport them back in time to the year 1700.’ Because damage to the atmospheric mix has already occured, and wishful thinking won’t make it go away.

Say I knife you in the back five or six times. Then I stop knifing you in the back and walk away. By your logic, since I’ve stopped knifing you, the knife injuries to your back never occured in the first place, and you won’t require any treatment of any kind, nor is there any possibility you’ll die from such wounds.

With our current health knowledge and what we CAN do without “medicines and current technology”, we’ll have the same diet and basic health as people now, while being the same muscular build those people had, hence lowering obesity.

Medical technology is not responsible for the obesity problem. You’re claiming it is the direct cause.

Unfortunately, not all of “us” today are fit to live like they did three hundred years ago. Too many people simply wouldn’t have made it past infancy, as many couldn’t back then

You’re aware you are directly proposing genocide, right? It looks to me like you are perfectly okay with this.

I still think, from a preppers standpoint alone, learning how to live without modern comforts is a good idea. Though that is just the prepper side of me, and it comes from a completely different topic.

How does your garage operate with absolutely no electrical power of any kind allowed within its walls? I’m sure you must make a fine living ripping the computers out of people’s cars and rewiring them so they’ll still run, albeit at much lower emission and safety standards. Causing permanent damage to your eyes through working in the dark with no artificial light sources whatsoever because that’s the way nature intended, and if your euyestight deteriorates that’s just what nature intended, and you’ll never seek medical treatment ever.

On the concept of fuel wars for the last drops of oil, I simply find that point to be unrealistic. I’m not saying fuel wars altogether are unrealistic. It’s the science fiction idea that only a few gallons are left, and here we are still fighting just to secure that.

Oh of course. Oil is an infinite resource, everyone knows that. If we blew the planet up, blasted it into nothing but drifing rocks, there would still be an eternally magically-renewing foiuntain of oil, spilling out the mass of oil equivalent to a hundred times the mass of the sun, every single minute of every single hour of every single day from now till the end of time. It will never run out, no matter what we do. Unlike every other piece of matter in the universe, oil is truly without bounds, and it’s not like it would ever stop flowing even if we towed a star into Earth and detonated it.

</sarcasm, in case you were unaware>

If oil becomes that much of a blood bath to get hands on, I’m sure people will lose interest in even using it.

If breathable air even becomes so rare we’d have to fight to get enough for ourselves, I’m equally sure that most people would just give up interest in using it.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The first plasma: the Wendelstein 7-X fusion device is now in operation

We really don’t “need to learn to go without power for a few months” as you put it. If you wish to go without power, that is your choice. Hospitals, heavy industry, power-hungry research, telecomms infrastructure, water cleansing & purification, transportation networks, and commercial networks absolutely have to continue to be powered.

I was trying to ridicule the man for saying that this is on par with landing on a Moon.

You would be wrong to do so. The real benefit from the moon landing was the plethora of new technologies that had to be developed to make it possible. Those technologies then made their way into general usage. The same will doubtless be true here.

Fusion technology promises to be a real gamechanger, and as has been pointed above, not just for power production but for direct manufacturing as well. The more we understand about long-term controlling and directing plasma flows, the more likely it is we’ll wind up using ultra-high temperature plasma as a manufacturing technique. The magnetic bottles themselves would be revolutionary to exotic particle research, perhaps even making feasable the short (or long) term storage of antimatter, another powerful fuel. Right now we can make antimatter in the lab, we just cannot store it as our particle accelerators are made of matter…

It is VERY early days yet, but this group of technologies initially used for very specific applications have a real chance of changing the gameboard. The core goal fusion power being a complete gamechanger in its own right.

Either that, or let’s start getting used to using Solar Panels on top of our roofs.

Won’t help. solar power has a very low energy conversion ratio, and is easily stopped by lack of light, by dust and pollution blocking the sun’s rays out. Yes it’s over twice as efficient as plant photosynthesis, but it’s simply not enough to meet our needs. Solar furnaces are better, but can only be built in desert locations for obvious reasons.

At best, putting solar energy on every home would lessen the energy footprint for those homes; It wouldn’t do a damn thing for the bulk of our energy needs.

To make a real dent in our energy needs moving forwards, we’re going to require nuclear power, and lots of it. Fusion power is a potential way of creating nuclear power without relying on rare earth substances, and without the waste disposal issues associated with nuclear fission.

" as by that point the pressures to use a newly commissioned powerplant to help meet society’s needs for power would be more appealing than using that newly commissioned plant to provide the power necessary for high energy experiments to find better powersources. " If we get to that point, I would hope people would be mature enough to let it be used for testing.

No, at that point, every erg will be required to run essential services. Which lives would you be prepared to sacrifice because the hospitals have to go dark, the farms have to run without power, the air and water purifiers have to be turned off to divert power to an experimental project to hopefully make life better in a few decades?

That’s what you’re asking for, after all. “Wait until the problem is as bad as it can possibly get before we try and look for solutions.”

Whether you like it or not, the above quote is exactly what you’re saying. So how do you decide who has to die because you don’t believe it’s worth pursuing solutions to known major problems whilst we still have spare resource capacity to do so?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / The first plasma: the Wendelstein 7-X fusion device is now in operation

Originally posted by Bobneson:

Technically, any energy source is a waste of time and “money”. We don’t need electricity to survive, we were fine without it.

Technically we’d both be dead without it. Since our central nervous systems (brains) are electrochemical systems. No electricity = a non-functioning brain.

But in the wider sense we are in a global energy crisis situation at the moment – supply of electrical energy is far outstripped by demand, and that demand is growing much faster than energy supply can hope to match. In other words our ability to supply is falling further and further behind our demand for energy. Something that’s likely to only get worse over time.

New methods of generating energy as well as improvements to existing generation methods are critical if we’re to overcome this problem. Nuclear fission energy is the obvious short-term solutuon, but that comes with a plethora of problems of its own. Nuclear fusion energy has the promise to fulfill the same niche as fission, but without most of fission’s drawbacks (it has drawbacks of its own, but they’re not as limiting as those of fission).

Further, it makes sense to explore these alternate energy platforms whilst we can still reasonably afford the electrical power to run these kinds of tests. Waiting until we’re at the narrowest point of the bottleneck would be a very bad idea, as by that point the pressures to use a newly commissioned powerplant to help meet society’s needs for power would be more appealing than using that newly commissioned plant to provide the power necessary for high energy experiments to find better powersources. At that point it is too late for such experimenation, in other words.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gay Marriage: A Great Loss for Moralism

Originally posted by BombCog:

Cybernetic life cannot yet provide consent. Completely different issue.

I’ll quibble that particular definition, since most of my clients are now by definition cybernetic lifeforms, yet their ability to provide informed consent is in most cases undiminished, or does soon recover.

It’s obvious what you meant, but a cybernetic lifeform covers any lifeform whose embodiment is partially or wholly based on a technological integration of systems modelled on biology. In other words anyone with any form of data-processing implant or prosthesis is a cybernetic lifeform.

I’d recommend using the terms synthetic lifeform, or non-biological lifeform instead. Both can still cover a subset of cybernetic lifeforms, but doesn’t imply that humans with inorganic parts lose the ability to consent.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / King Barack HUSSEIN Obama FURIOUS after armed revolutionaries take over government building

I shouldn’t bother trying to engage Jhco in dialog. It is very, very, VERY rare that he actually responds to counter-arguments these days. As he’s said himself, he’s sick of doing so, because his points are always defeated, time and time again. He keeps to his same point of view though, so a few months later he’s saying the same thing again… and again and again and again in the hope the reaction will be different this time.

You can’t even really use facts to argue with him; as he’s said himself many a time “facts lean to the left”. In other words they tend to support a viewpoint that is too far to the left of his own for him to consider them to have any merit.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Black Students: "Give us separate but equal segregated dorms!!"

Originally posted by petesahooligan:
And Pete, who can blame having listeners who tend to agree then spread the knowledge to other peers like the plague they carry? Any thought or idea can be brought to any group. You can even convince strangers individually just as long you know whom you’re dealing with; that’s how effective persuasion is.

I’m sorry but I don’t clearly understand what you’re getting at.

They’re referrng to the spread of memetic infection. Comparing it to the spread of a biological disease – which is an apt comparison really, as there are a lot of parallels between how memetic information spreads through a population and how biological diseases spread from host to host.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Any good Book suggestions?

Originally posted by stanwise:

Also assigned it to a class I taught on how sci-fi/fantasy explores religion.

That reminds me of Anne McCaffrey’s stance on Religion. She actually said at one time that the reason she doesn’t have religion in her Dragonriders of Pern series, is because the humans on Pern have such a dreadful state of affairs, that she decided to remove it to at least give them the chance of some peace in their lives.

On the subject of Anne McCaffrey, I would definitely recommend her “Ship Who Sang” sequence: The Ship Who Sang, The City Who Fought, The Ship Who Searched, The Ship Who Won, PartnerShip. The epitomical ships actually being sentient beings of course, and the way the ships gain and keep sentience will definitely appeal to any transhumanist.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Any good Book suggestions?

With full blame placed on one of our old regs of the SD forum (Janton, yes I mean you) who linked to Equinoid a short story from Charles Stross’ Laundryverse universe; I’ve been reading through a series of books and short stories describing humanity under threat of destruction from Lovecraftian entities and the efforts of operatives of the modern British government to slow or halt the invasion or at least allow humanity to survive as the stars have come right and we’ve been noticed.

I’m just starting book six (again I blame Janton for tempting me to buy the books), and it’s been a very enjoyable read. If you enjoy Equinoid, the others are just as enjoyable – just longer, more complex, and interlinked. Also, written by someone who very obviously is intimately familiar with the way the British civil service actually does things – if you catch my drift :)

The series is called Laundry Files, and it’s still being written – book seven has recently been published.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / United Nations SD Goals

It’s a problem with any policy development: What subgroup of humanity do we wish to address?

Except that doesn’t work on the individual level. It’s pointless when assigning justice for example, to look at what archetype a person looks like they belong to and assign a judgement based on that archetype. Appearances can be deceiving. It’s perfectly possible to have a woman with no maternal instinct or a woman who will harm her children – both do exist. So to assume the female of the pairing is always going to be the better parent is inherently flawed, and a dangerous assumption to make.

There are men with ovaries – they still consider themselves men, and thus so does society. Some of them have produced kids the male way. there are women with testes; it’s a lot rarer as they’re often amputated at buirth but it does occur. there’s a whole range of hormone levels and secondary sex development in the middle of the range, that doesn’t fit either male or female roles. These people are instead pidgeonholed into one role or another by our society.

AQddressing that artificial aspect of our society is something we’ll have to do if we are ever to achieve true gender equality. It will mean admitting that almost nobody on the planet is ‘fully male’ and almost nobody on the planet is ‘fully female’, with everyone else being somewhere between the two, skewed towards one or the other.

It also fixes the stupidity of “You’re a woman. You can’t do X because that’s a man’s role”. Or “You’re not going to be educated because that’s only for men”. Instead we have a large pool of individuals, with differing primary sexual characteristics – and that is all.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / King Barack HUSSEIN Obama FURIOUS after armed revolutionaries take over government building

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Damn, I forgot that Oregon is a part of Texas.
Bomb, if your parents can successfully burn, who is to say those ranchers in that area can’t?

Oh they could – had they bothered to do it properly.

As Bomb also said, he’s seen a controlled burn take down an adjacent property before. If a controlled burn is one that has a significant risk of burning out neighbouring homesteads and towns, then maybe it isn’t as ‘controlled’ as you think it is? Still, it would be a great way to clear out some of them ore problematic small towns – start a controlled burn and watch as it sweeps through the town consuming every building and the persons therein. It was a controlled burn so any casualties were completely unavoidanble, and there’s nobody to blame.

Certainly nobody should be prosecuted for starting a fire that swept across property other than their own…right?

The Malheur reserve has 187,747 acres.
A scant 127 acres—that WERE NOT permanently damaged—burned, which is actually beneficial. certainly IS NOT “recklessly endangering land”.

It’s a reserve. It is certainly NOT beneficial to randomly torch reserves. Would you go into a forest, or a wildlife preserve, chuck gasoline everywhere, olight it, then drive away knowing you’ve done a good job, and the blaze you’ve started will really benefit the land? It will sweep far and wide, incenerate everythjing in its path. But it’s all for the greater good. It will really help the land.

Who cares what’s put at risk or lost in the burn? It’ll make great arable land when it’s done!

Four: NO, there isn’t “always landmarks”.
Please, don’t assume shit that ya know absolutely nothing about.

Hence my assumption they were drunk. If they didn’t know whose land they were on when they set the fire, what business did they have setting a fire there in the first place?

“Gee, ol’ George’s corn crop looks bad this year. I’m gonna do him a favor and torch the whole field. It’ll do the land the world of good!”

The western plains in the U.S. are NOTHING like what I’ve seen in movies showing Scotland and England w/ their marking of rural areas.

Hardly surprising. The western US is rather flat, and Scotland is very mountainous. It’s like saying that upstate New York is NOTHING like the movies show of Saudi Arabia. A complete and rather obvious non-statement.

Why your need to be victim blaming (yeah, I’m now “mostly” on their side) here? Well, I pretty much know the reason for that.

Yea, you’re swaying in their place, you’d have not bothered putting the fire out and just let it burn. It’ll do the land good for the fire to burn uncheciked across the entire state. Who gives a shit who actually owns the land anyway?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / King Barack HUSSEIN Obama FURIOUS after armed revolutionaries take over government building

Originally posted by karmakoolkid:

Windbreak …. eh?
vika, I didn’t know that you were such an expert in this area.

I do know a few things about fires, yea. More than I really wish to.

One DOES NOT burn when it is windy.

That’s not what a windbreak is. The fire itself creates wind. The fire produces heat, which heats the air (at the same time as consuming the oxygen from it). This heated air rises, and colder air moves in to take its place. You can see this for yourself when you look at the smoke produced by a fire. It rises upwards, propelled by the column of warm air that the smoke is a part of.

The larger the fire, the more air is moved in this way, and the greater the air movement caused by the fire.

This air movement often results in warmed air being blown across areas where the fire currently is not, warming the matter in the vicinity and drying it out bit by bit. Eventually matter there will be hot enough to catch fire itself, spreading the fire.

You create windbreaks thus, in arreas you do not wish the fire to spread to; guiding its passage into areas you do wish it to spread to.

How do YOU know they didn’t have appropriate means for controlling the fire?

Their fire broke out of their control and burnt over a square mile of land that did not belong to them. All the evidence points to them not having the fire under their control, and not guiding it sufficiently well to prevent it burning on land not under their ownership. You don’t honestly expect anyone to believe that ‘they didn’t know where their property ended’ do you?

Thus it’s clear that they did not take sufficient precautions when dealing with a VERY dangerous tool, and the fire ran out of their control before they were able to extinguish it.

Such burn-offs are called CONTROLLED burns for a reason.

Yup. The reaon being that they are controlled. They are guided to stick to only the land you wish burned, and not let rampage across other people’s land. This was anything butr a controlled burn by the very nature of it spreading across such a large area of land it was not intended to burn.

I’m not sure if there was any means marking the boundary (fence), but I doubt there were chalk lines drawn out there.

there are landmarks. There are always landmarks. Unless they were so plum drunk they couldn’t tell which way was up, then they had no excuse for burning on land they didn’t own.

What is the shit of “at the very least” & “reckless endangerment”?
Endangerment to what/who?

Land they don’t own. Doing a ‘controlled’ burn with absolutely no control. The fire got out of hand, that is self-evident. Thus they were recklessly endangering land it was not their right to decide how to manage.