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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

Originally posted by artcrow:
Originally posted by BrandonK77:
Originally posted by why_amihere:
Originally posted by BrandonK77:

So what should I get from the research trees to finish off this thing?

A brain to work it out for yourself?

Shame we don’t have Faceless Research yet, otherwise that would probably be a legitimate option…

Wait, we have Undead. Get BRAAAAIINNSSSS.

How does http://puu.sh/lgY2i/30b527c6f5.jpg look? I took your advice and got assistants which really did help out a lot, and more FC chance which also helped a ton too.

I think C105 will turn out to be weaker than C135 Reinforcing. E250 could still beat E135 or E30.

It’s a good strategy to put Moon Blessing and Tax collection on autocast during buildup so you get free clicks which buff Moon blessing, Reinforcing, Elven Training Grounds (the unique building upgrade for elven) and Ancient Clicking arts. The extra mana regeneration from E250 can help (I haven’t unlocked that yet. I’m assuming it’s a high number. If it’s like 12 mana/second, skip it.)

Using A135, A200, and A250 is circumstantial based on time played, so any of those selected is fine. You wouldn’t need to change that around.

I think it’s mostly all optimal now though.

The mana regen of E250 is 36, and is based on Royal Exchanges made. How does this one look? http://puu.sh/lh1k0/7df28b5235.jpg I am not sure what to put in economics as my last point.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

Originally posted by why_amihere:
Originally posted by BrandonK77:

So what should I get from the research trees to finish off this thing?

A brain to work it out for yourself?

Shame we don’t have Faceless Research yet, otherwise that would probably be a legitimate option…

Wait, we have Undead. Get BRAAAAIINNSSSS.

How does http://puu.sh/lgY2i/30b527c6f5.jpg look? I took your advice and got assistants which really did help out a lot, and more FC chance which also helped a ton too.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

Originally posted by BrandonK77:
Originally posted by why_amihere:
Originally posted by BrandonK77: Keep in mind, no build is perfect,

Not true. There are finite possibilities and a clear optimisation parameter. Perfection is just moments away for some of us.

For others, perfection is a hell of a long way away because they have no understanding of the game. :P

You’ve picked both C1 and W10. You seem to be basing your build on Unique Buildings based on the spellcraft tree, so W200 will definitely be better for you can W10, which gives you no help.

Also, one of the best upgrades available to you is D50, but you’ve left it out (ditch 135/245).

And C225 (as previously discussed) is weak if you also have W180 (which you should definitely have on a Unique Elf build). Toss it in favour of C200.

I just want to ask, why would you get rid of D135 or D245? The mana regen on D135 is nice, and D245 almost triples Spirit Surge. Also, someone told me to not use D50, Hallowing, which is why it is excluded.

Originally posted by why_amihere:
Originally posted by BrandonK77:
Also, someone told me to not use D50, Hallowing, which is why it is excluded.

Someone was an idiot.

FC chance increases your click reward (via Elven Heritage – increases click reward by half of FC chance, this affects assistant which is where all your cash comes from anyway) and it increases your building production too (via Elf 3,1 – increases building production by double FC chance, assistant production is increased directly by building production). Your base FC chance will be something like 100%, so increasing that by 2800% (roughly what I’ve got without E135 – FC chance is then doubled by Elf 1,1) gives you roughly a x29^2 = x841 multiplier = 84k% bonus to total production. Picking C105 on top of that stacks additively and then squared, but you’re not using it so that’s fine.

So what should I get from the research trees to finish off this thing?

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

Originally posted by why_amihere:
Originally posted by BrandonK77: Keep in mind, no build is perfect,

Not true. There are finite possibilities and a clear optimisation parameter. Perfection is just moments away for some of us.

For others, perfection is a hell of a long way away because they have no understanding of the game. :P

You’ve picked both C1 and W10. You seem to be basing your build on Unique Buildings based on the spellcraft tree, so W200 will definitely be better for you can W10, which gives you no help.

Also, one of the best upgrades available to you is D50, but you’ve left it out (ditch 135/245).

And C225 (as previously discussed) is weak if you also have W180 (which you should definitely have on a Unique Elf build). Toss it in favour of C200.

I just want to ask, why would you get rid of D135 or D245? The mana regen on D135 is nice, and D245 almost triples Spirit Surge. Also, someone told me to not use D50, Hallowing, which is why it is excluded. Edit: here is what i did with my build so far, can you tell me make the last few suggestions of which nodes I should pick please? http://puu.sh/lgUzU/0700a272e1.jpg

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

Originally posted by lesdrui:

Hmm , you stacked C225 and W180 again . . If your C200 value is not totally useless it’s going to be better than C225.

My C200 is only 625%

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

I will once again post another up to date screenshot of my build. I am taking in everyone’s suggestions, tips, and tricks. http://puu.sh/lgRIn/2b9c8de7b7.jpg is what i made using some of the suggestions from other players. Keep in mind, no build is perfect, and can always be modified to be better, mine included. I may be R30, but apparently my build was and probably still is flawed. It may take some time, but I bet we can make some super Elf build if we work together. I am not sure how some of multiplicative research nodes work apparently, sorry.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

Originally posted by artcrow:

You can definitely use D55 Transfixion and C120 Socketing. Click reward percentage multipliers do work on assistants.

Transfixion in particular is a really nice upgrade for this build.

Alright, this is how I am building it so far http://puu.sh/lgQd7/75b213be36.jpg. I know, a lot of people will say “How did you get to R30 with your build, you dont know how to do anything?” Well I say “A lot of clicking, a few broken keyboards and mice, and 4 hours of sleep maximum.” Lol…. so anyway how am I doing?

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

Originally posted by 14ausher:

You seem to misunderstand how some multipliers work. For example, Automatons boosts Call to Arms from 98 thousand to 243 thousand. This sounds like an increase of 150 thousand, give or take, but your production really only increases by 243/98, or about 2.5 times as much, which is not a very big bonus. Soulrending has the same issue; it had double the effect (more or less), which only doubles your production. Doubling a massive multiplier only doubles production. Three 5x multipliers are much, much better than one 15x multiplier. This build is in part because of this, and in part because you took so many assisstant and mana production upgrades; straight multipliers would almost certain be better, especially for the mana upgrades. More tax collections isn’t helpful when you could make the other ones 15x as strong; this would make each tax collection worth 15 of the weaker ones, something that would require a ridiculous amount of mana to keep up with.

I recommend that you definitely get rid of Automatons, Magnetism (Royal Exchanges have diminishing returns, getting massive amounts of Faction Coins is not very useful), Hallowing, Soulrending, Philosopher’s Stone (it is a 5x multiplier for you at the moment), and probably a lot of the assistants and mana production upgrades.

You want me to get rid of a lot of the assistant nodes and FC nodes? I actually see what you mean with them not being too helpful. If you would like to modify my build and post it on here in your own way, that would be great. I love hearing feedback from everyone, so long as it is not bullying me like I was being yesterday.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

Originally posted by lesdrui:

At Novg gems , you can get profit from pretty much every vanilla research build if you are R30 . Are these elves doing any good at Dtg ? To compare , i got x14 gems from 130 Utg to 1,9Dtg gems with a 24 hours non unique goblin run , and i think i had one or two sub optimal upgrades .

If you have any tips or suggestions of what i should change around to make it better, please do so. I am autistic and slower to learn than most people, so try to be nice to me while explaining.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

I am currently making an extensive in detail guide, do not forget to refresh the page as I will be saving and editing etc as I go along so nothing can get lost/deleted/corrupted.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

The one on that thread is wrong sorry, i will go delete it, just focus on this one. Sorry for the inconvenience.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

I cannot pick S225, and D245 makes your Spirit Surge double in production, making amazing with S215, currently over 1M% production boost

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

Yeah i specifically made the build to squeeze every last drop of production from assistants and maxing every production node that i could. Well artcrow, at least you are not bullying me like everyone else.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

They are not badly selected. If you have a better build I would just love to see it. My build got me all the way to R30, so it cant be THAT bad.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

Bloodline is titan because Elves are amazing with FC, i am getting 63-64M a TC

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

i posted the wrong build sorry, i just updated it.

 
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Topic: Realm Grinder / I am R30, research opinions/my optimal build

So far i am R30, and i can confidently say every faction sucks for research except for elves. With elves I have made exponentially more than any other faction. Proof i am R30 http://puu.sh/lbBwm.png. Proof i unlocked every research node http://puu.sh/lfLUq/e312bab972.jpg. My gem count http://puu.sh/lfKQW/c71f2d1200.png
If anyone has any questions feel free to ask me, I am open to help. Some people wanted a full screenshot so here http://puu.sh/lfMRm/bf50185bbe.jpg


This build was not poorly designed, it took me many hours to carefully plan it, I chose everything for a reason. I squeezed as much production as I could, using many assistant nodes to help out nodes that required and were bolstered by assistant count. As time goes on, spamming tax collection for a while, you will see your production have a great boost from all of the FC you found. With all of those FC, you can buy a lot of Royal Exchanges which in turn help out the Titan Bloodline. Furthermore, as mana is produced and spent, your production goes up higher and higher both Explosives (A150) and Aeromancy (S250). If you do this for a long time you will see a noticeable improvement in your production. Commerce (E25) is another example of squeezing assistants into this build. So far i have 97 from just that node alone and it will only grow higher as i buy more Royal Exchanges. Now I will go over EVERYTHING one at a time to leave no stone untouched. Alright lets begin.


Mysticism: Awesome mana regen that only gets better as you make more research.


Augmentation: The more mana you get, the higher your production bonus.


Empowered Luck: what can I say about this one? Multiplying your production of all buildings by 120x, that is insane, not to mention the huge 4% increase chance up from 1% to 5%, I am sold.


Projection: For every active spell cast, Holy Light, CtA, Moon Blessing, increases Spirit Surge’s production by a huge 150% each. Combined with a later node I will talk about when I get there, its insane.


Aeromancy: The more mana you produce, the better it becomes. It boosts your unique building production and it keeps on increasing.


Dummy Targets: Well lets get an amazing node out of the way, this one increases production of your elven training grounds by a GROUND BREAKING amount.


Reinforcing: If you keep clicking this will up your production of all buildings, but of course elven training grounds is the main one. I for one do not have an auto clicker, but if you have one, then definitely choose this.


Tinkering: So, this one has diminishing returns due to the fact that research points are finite, R30 has a total of 465 points per branch. But at my current 365 per branch I have a 2817% increase. Its a really nice node.


Automatons: man oh man this thing, I just cant. It made my CtA go from 98k% to freaking 243123% production. This node is amazing. Case closed.


Magnetism: Now you probably are looking at this, looking at me, looking at it again, looking at me, and asking… WHY? Well before you grab the pitch forks, let me explain. There is a simple reason why: FC, FC, FC!!! My TC makes 68.87 FC a pop and that synergizes so damn well with this build. You will get tons of Royal Exchanges, and FC themselves alone help with everything. As I am typing this guide i have my TC on auto cast so when I get back to my game, my production will have gone up a lot.


Hallowing: I really like this one, not just for the FC chance, but elves double that anyway, making you find more FC from TC. That is the real reason why I like this one, the increased FC you get from TC with this node makes it great.


Illumination: The mana regen is great for many reasons, like spamming TC a lot more. Self explanatory really.


Transcendence: Ahhh transcendence, you beautiful bastard you. Making our actives last longer and all spells costs 20% less, allowing to spam EVEN MORE TC.


Soulrending: This thing literally doubles your SS production, and in conjunction with projection I have over 1M% production bonus from SS alone ENOUGH SAID.


Demonology: More assistants.


Commerce: More assistants.


Common Business: This helps with all of your good buildings, but of course the main one I focus on is the Elven Training Grounds.


Investment: I am not 100% certain on how this one works, but I think the more gold you have the more it increases. I am not sure if it decreases when you spend gold, I dont think it does. It gives me a 1977% boost so i took it.


Acquisition: Based on how many trophies you have, this can be a great pick up for you, it increases my production, so I took it.


Trade Routes: I love this node, the more Royal Exchanges I make, the more mana regen I get. Get this node for that TC spam.


Fusion: With all of the FC nodes I have picked, this was a no brainer


Vivication: HOLY MOTHER TERESA HOPPING ON A POGO STICK LOOK AT THOSE 87 ASSISTANTS


Decay: Yet another great node that increases production


Explosives: Hot damn this is truly going to blow something up: your production, and your mind. This nifty node has one hell of a kick in the rear to your production, forcing it to keep on marching up and up as your mana produced in the current game increases


Philosopher’s Stone: FMAB, anyone? On a serious note, it gives me a 40% bonus to how much my gems help, and that is just amazing


RAMPAGE: queue Dota Narrator. Anyway, so this node increases mana, which bolsters Augmentation, which bolsters your Elven Training grounds, which… ok I will stop, just take the damn node.


Invasion: This is why we have gotten so many assistant nodes, this right here helps out with a whopping 2878% production boost to ALL buildings, mostly Elven training grounds.


Formation: So basically, this will just skyrocket your CtA already, but in conjunction with Automatons, which will now count 215 times, I just could not not take this node.


Crusade: More assistants


Swarming: this is another amazing assistant booster