Recent posts by Tulrog on Kongregate

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Topic: Kongregate / Ratings Fraud?

Originally posted by CHARLESing:

After running a couple of tests against who rated what based on point totals in the past week, I’ve determined that a majority are alts…

Care to explain that part?


And just to fuel the paranoia here are some thoughts. How exactly would Kong detect and stop bought votes? I know this concept exists on Facebook. A quick search gets me to 100 votes for 15$.

The top game this week has around 5k rating votes. But you don’t have to beat the top game. The first three places are rewarded with money

Even if you assume the worst case and a get a prize of 150$ you could buy 900 votes and still get some money. Maybe you can optimize the offer somehow and reduce the cost or use the votes also to lower the rating of competitors. Another approach would be a reward sharing deal. People would only get paid if the game wins a contest.

And that’s just the start. The monthly games rewards range from 1500$ to 250$ for the top 9 games in a month. If you are lucky the bought votes will be already enough to qualify.


I admit this idea would need a lot of organization. For example the contest rules explicitly prohibit downvoting and multi accounts. But where exactly does downvoting start? You don’t have to give a 1 star rating to hurt another game. The rating just has to be lower than the one of your game (in the end). A 3 star rating for a 3.8 star game is a downvote and isn’t suspicious at all.

As for multi accounts in this scenario every vote is a unique user. He just gets paid for the job. And I doubt any system can distinguish between the vote of a friend/ fanboy and a bought vote. Encouraging friends to vote for you on the other hand is completely within the rules.

Combine this with some optimization like releasing games during the end phase of a contest and not aiming for top spots and you can work around the system.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / I thought I had seen the worst of Kong.

Bring the lambs to the slaughter. Natural selection at work.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / How should Kongregate filter games?

Too many games coming out? Maybe if you take the term game technically. Most of the “games” coming out these days are garbage/ coding exercises.

An extensive search system is only relevant for people who are relatively new to this site. People who have been long enough around have already played all the gems hidden in the garbage. The tag system does already a good job at showing things you like (most of the time). Excluding tags from the search surely wouldn’t hurt.


As for people who have already played most of the games only a classification of the new games is interesting. Unfortunately those games have usually neither tags nor a rating for the first days. On top of that one of the past updates changed the way the rating is displayed. The old version would show 5 separate stars which were filled depending on the rating. The new version shows just the rating value. And at least for me it takes longer to recognize an abstract number than a picture.


Also showing a date with games that are sorted by date is completely useless. I’d have to think hard to find a situation in which this information could be relevant at all. Maybe if you do some data mining but surely not for playing games. On the other hand having an easy way to determine if a game could be good or bad is extremely useful.

Same story with the new way to look at the weekly best games. With the old version you had to around two clicks to see them. The new way to sort things requires you to first switch to “published this week” and then sort by rating. It’s a pain in the ass to do this every single time.

So why weekly games? Because that’s where you will find new games you might like in the most efficient way. It doesn’t involve games you have already played some time ago. And it doesn’t involve all the garbage from the new games section.


Last two things are the pictures and descriptions of the games. Removing them would be a huge mistake. A picture is probably the single most important piece of information a developer can give. Though if I talk about pictures I mean ingame pictures. Not those completely useless icons that tell you absolutely nothing about the game. Somewhat related are the descriptions of the games. Two very short lines don’t hold much information and some devs use the first sentences to describe relative unimportant stuff for somebody who wants to figure out what the game is about.

In the end if you have a game without rating and tags, a picture which is unrelated to the gameplay and a description in which the dev begs for mercy because it is his first game or part of some challenge, no search system whatsoever will help you.


So to sum things up:

  • Increase the amount of ingame pictures
  • Increase the amount of descriptions which actually describe what the game is about
  • Increase the speed at which games get a rating and tags
  • Increase the quality of the ratings and tags
  • Make it easier to view new good and medium rating games

Edit: Oh and I forgot the most important part:

  • Increase the amount of good and medium games.

That’s probably the biggest problem in the first place.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / You can only save one OT mod... or A CROW :>>>>

Crows don’t need saving. They can shot tarantulas from their eyes. And people who volunteer to mod OT are beyond saving.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Bring back Global Mods, here is a reason why Global Mods are needed more than Room Mods

Since people are always biased there is only one possible solution to this problem. We need Justicebot.

Justicebot is an AI which knows some basic rules like “people who steal cookies are evil” or “people who post links to malicious sites are evil”. But wait there is more. Justicebot can analyze the conversation in any room and create new local rules on its own. People in a room don’t like roleplaying? Fear not, Justicebot will bring justice! A chaotic room likes to play the spam game? Justicebot understands.

Rules are nothing without punishment. But punishment isn’t the same thing to everybody. But that’s another great thing about Justicebot. It can also adapt and creat new corrective measures. Muting doesn’t help? Well, it would be a shame if some sort of accident happened to your newly earned impossible badge. And the save file in your newest MMO doesn’t look very stable either.

And we aren’t done yet. Tedious manual alt detection is a relic of the past. Justicebot comes with a new high-end user recognition system which stops alts within a split second. Sate of the art tracking techniques allow a precise localization of any user, making alt attempts a futile effort.

The drawback of this system is the computational power which is needed to keep Juticebot constantly operational. Luckily there is an easy solution for this too. We can use the Nuclear Weapons Control System. Scenarios like the nuclear winter make a true use of the NWCS very unlikely and it hasn’t been used for years. Also let’s be honest. If it should be used one day we got bigger problems than disorder on Kongregate. This is a great deal for the military too! Should their own NWCS malfunction for some reason there’s always Justicebot waiting as a backup. So everybody wins.

All hail Justicebot, Bringer of justice!

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Games you never completed 100% but you still wanna do it but u don´t have energy to do so.

Every Elder Scrolls game ever. I’d be more motivated to do so if after that a new quest would be unlocked: Kill fucking everyone.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / [Update] The forums will be *not be*[admin edit] shutting down at the end of the month!

This is outrageous news! We need a seagull SWAT. Now!!!

 
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Topic: Off-topic / [Removed]

OP should write a book on trolling. Successful troll is successful.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Movies that make you laugh/cry.

No Green Mile? You are a heartless monster.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / How does bill gates have 85 billion when there is onl 7 billion people on earth!

This guy has years of experience with computers. He is just cheating. That’s how.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate Conspiracy!!

Originally posted by d_e_s_t_r_o_y:

It is not a criminal organization, if it was you wouldnt be able to go on the internet

Parasite rule 1: Don’t kill the host.
Parasite rule 2: Don’t kill the host.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate Conspiracy!!

Well, it was nice knowing you. But now they are going to kill you.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Will the next president be a Republican?

Like it matters… Kang and Kodos.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Yay level 20

You are a marvelous wizard. oO

 
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Topic: Kongregate / How would you react if you logged onto your account and you had every single badge?

Originally posted by Bluji:

EDIT: Also, do you have some sort of a personal problem against me? You only started complaining when I posted, but did not mention a single word about Marvaddin or MmeBunneh, who were just as abruptive for the thread and were here before me.

Their posts were longer than two lines which is practically invisible to me. I’m sorry. My brain is just too stupid to deal with bigger text-thingies with all those letters. Unfortunately this is the only possible explanation. So you are once again right. You are a true mastermind!

 
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Topic: Kongregate / How would you react if you logged onto your account and you had every single badge?

Originally posted by Bluji:

I’m just not gonna even bother to point out what I meant, because clearly you are so ignorant you can’t bother to read posts that are longer than two lines.

Sorry OP. He is absolutely right. I’m afraid you have to change your title to: Is uzz a cheater? Public discussion in here. Don’t forget to bring your pitchfork.

But don’t worry. Once this important trial is over you’ll get some on-topic answers too… I think.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / How would you react if you logged onto your account and you had every single badge?

Originally posted by Bluji:

The question isn’t whether he got many imps in a short period of time legitly. The question is whether he got all the badges from those games within that same period of time.

Actually no. The question is How would you react if you logged onto your account and you had every single badge. And THE answer is 42.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Rich kid problems.

Sue him. The fuck is he thinking?

 
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Topic: Off-topic / RIP Pokerpo.

OMG!!! DID HE DIEDED?!!?

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Could the WORLD EVER go murder free for the day?

Why would you want to separate all crows from each other for one day?

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Is there anyone that can beat Uchiha Madara?

Everybody with a plot no jutsu.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Tolerance

Originally posted by Meistheman:
Originally posted by Tulrog:

This is the source for the table. Man I’m good at looking obvious stuff up. And this is how they get their data.

You probably just scrolled all the way down and looked at their sources lol

 
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Topic: Off-topic / Tolerance

This is the source for the table. Man I’m good at looking obvious stuff up. And this is how they get their data.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / GemCraft Chapter 2: CS release date

Who cares? If you wait to play it here, it is your own damn fault. And why would you play it again, when it arrives here? At best it will be just the same game. At worst it will have even more restrictions.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / If you looked into the mirror and saw a little girl behind you...

Don’t worry. It doesn’t matter. She’ll get you either way. The next time you experience sleep paralysis when waking up, it is her trying to kill you.