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Topic: Serious Discussion / Is Gay Marriage OK from a Biblical Perspective?

Arguing from a biblical perspective (or arguing with someone who’s arguing from a biblical perspective) is tedious and worthless shite. There’s no points being made, not even any arguments. The biblical argument is saying “this book here says x” as though that even means something. It’s like, why should I care that a book that you’ve picked says something? i could pick any work and say that it says something that’s written in it and it would have just as much meaning to the situation at hand. That the bible says “god hates poofs” isn’t an argument, it’s a statement. Things like “why does it matter what a crusty old book from 1600 years ago says wrt defining how our society should operate?” or “are there any genuinely substantive arguments to be made on this topic?” are far more relevant and interesting things to be asking.

basically, come up with an actual argument, rather than clinging to your safety blanket of preformed opinions (which you only hold cuz your parents held them, and so did their parents and so on and so on)

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / United States laws "Utah Shame" Edition

did you not read the rest of his post?

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / United States laws "Utah Shame" Edition

I don’t want to be accused of mod sass, but donseptico seems to have a real case of just world fallacy. The idea that the legal system is infallible and doesn’t disproportionately victimise certain classes of people, or that government (especially in america lol) doesn’t do its hardest to marginalise the views of large portions of society (i could rant for ages about gerrymandering, voter ID laws, 1st past the post,, lobbying, elected judges, the influence of the ownership of news production, and how all these factors combine together to create a political situation where the choice people have is between some white old ass neoconservative who’ll sell out his nation to the highest bidder and a black (or woman) old ass neoconservative who’ll sell out their nation to the highest bidder. shits fucked).

Mandatory minimum sentencing is a way to ensure that prisons have steadily increasing populations, which private prison companys want, because it means they get more pay from the govt, and the govt wants because some of that returns to them privately in the form of bribes and lobbying. Basically, its one big scam to take money that is public (i.e. taken from the taxpayer and supposed to be used to benefit the nation) and giving it to private corporations in order to make a few folks more wealthy than anyone should be (is it any wonder that when politicians retire, they always end up on the boards of big corporations, cant imagine why that happens). The goal of all western governments since the eighties has been to pilliage and plunder their nation for the benefit of their wealthy born to rule cunt friends, at the expense of pretty much everyone else. mandatory minimums are a symptom of that (thank ronald reagan for that one)

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Pay2Win: Great business model or immoral exploitation of the easily addicted and children?

Pay-to-win video games use many of the same systems and psychological “tricks” that video poker machines (“pokies”) do. While the vast majority of the user base of p2w games may never spend money on the game (or will spend a “reasonable” amount) there will be some that spend enough to keep the business model viable. These people in casino & p2w contexts are referred to as whales.

(sorry in advance if that breaks tables, but the formatting system this site uses is super different to everything I’ve used in the past few years so I don’t remember how to resize)
This chart shows average gambling loss per person separated by nation. My home nation of Australia is a world leader in gambling losses, and on average an australian of legal gambling age will lose $500 dollars a year to pokies. Now obviously not everyone is gambling on pokies, which means that the average loss per pokie machine player is far higher. Poker machines have some of the most effective turn over when it comes to gambling profits because they provide particular stimulus that regular gambling does not, something about the way that the computerised visuals and the lack of thought required (but with the need for constant micro-interaction) work function to put people into a super relaxed state. (I am going to go on a bit of a tangent here, but have any of y’all ever felt compelled to get every collectable in an open world game? Cuz it’s kinda the same psychology, it’s a repetitive and simple task that’s just engaging enough to make it super compelling.) And yes, this is the exact same thing “games” such as candy crush or basically any mobile games do. The punchline is that die hard pokie addicts will probably never win a jackpot and if they did then it’d go back in the pokie anyway, but p2w gamers are guaranteed to never see that money again.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Pay2Win: Great business model or immoral exploitation of the easily addicted and children?

capitalism always has sympathy and consideration for the vulnerable. those engaged in anti-consumer activity will be shunned by the market, and consumers are always 100% rational and knowledgable about what they are doing so any wrong doing on the part of corporations is short lived in a truely free market. crows, i am disappointed in you for attacking job creating captains of industry with such slander.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Human Stupidity

Originally posted by cromagin2:

I did, the people of OT are not as stupid as they appear to be. Urine420 is a perfect example.

It must be about half a decade since I’ve looked in that place. I really don’t like cliquey, low content shitpost places; and of places to be cliquey and low content, OT ranks fairly low. Looking back on it, it’s kinda insane I’ve spent (a tiny fraction of time with increasingly larger breaks between visits) 7+ years coming here.

Anyway, just cuz something is presented in a dismissive or aggressive way, as opposed to the detached manner typical of “serious discussion” forums, it doesnt mean it is not worthy to be read, understood and responded to.

e: it got a bit ramble-y there, sorry.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Human Stupidity

Originally posted by cromagin2:

How about you give me a hint. I do badly at terribly written satire.

Good thing it wasn’t satire, but if you need me to hold your hand through it, I’ll do it. The OP is arguing from a point of view that places himself as more enlightened than those around him. He wonders to himself how these less intelligent people manage to exist, he views his own intelligence as so much greater than the average person that their having so little intelligence is confusing to him (this is a common device is masturbatory media too: for instance any iteration of sherlock holmes will have sherlock decry the stupidity of those around him). I was showing how the arrogance of believing one’s self to be better than one’s fellow man is a very paternalistic view that has been and is used to justify atrocities. For instance, most colonialist practices have been justified by the belief that they were improving the lives of the people who’s land they were stealing and families they were separating. The belief that some folks are inherently less able to be in control of their own life is fundamentally anti-democratic.

But i don’t believe the OP thought of any of that. Maybe he thought “what’s wrong with those thugs who wear their pants round their knees and listen to garbage hip hop while I listen to dad rock or metal” but that’s the most thought i’d imagine he put in. He’s just an egotistical brat in all likelihood.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Human Stupidity

Originally posted by cromagin2:

If it flew over my head why not tell me what you really meant, as it came off as racist trolling on my end.

Try reading, maybe you’ll learn something

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Human Stupidity

Originally posted by cromagin2:

‘savage, untamed plains’

Stopped there.

*woosh*

(the sound of the point flying over your head)

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Human Stupidity

I am so much better than the majority of people, people (more like sheeple) need to be ruled for their own good by wise and benevolent philosopher kings. For instance, the african race is clearly incapable of looking after themselves, both where they have been allowed to roam free (such as in their savage, untamed plains) and when integrated into the civilized world, they fail to achieve even a fraction of what more evolved peoples do (such as in their savage, untamed Detroit). It is a crying shame that these simple, but noble souls, be cared for, for their own safety. We need not try and accept them like we would our fellow man, but care for them as we would a child or a pet.

(the same is true of women and blue collar workers)

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / The Sexodus

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Topic: Serious Discussion / I am damn tired of Obamacare. Now it's time for the correction. :)

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Topic: Serious Discussion / What the hell is wrong with the country?

youre like a fifth right, then you veer off into jewish banker cAbal, debt as a threat to the nation bs. by placing blame on a definable boogey man, in this instance the bankers, you make it about the removal of a group in order to create the ideal society. “everything would be good if those people went away”. really the issues are systemic, they are central to the functioning of the system of capitalism, and it is only through the complete destruction of the capitalist society that we can be free of these issues

your distain for the common man is palpable,

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / I am damn tired of Obamacare. Now it's time for the correction. :)

neoliberals seemed to have slipped so far into the fygm mentality, that they cant even correctly preserve their own system of economics. (though the ones with the wealth to be dictating policy are the ones most sheltered from the effects of it so :( )

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What the hell is wrong with the country?

@vikatae: there’s a difference between those who’d strongly identify with a political position within the spectrum of liberalism in spite of knowledge of the alternatives available and the crimes committed every minute to keep liberalism rolling and those raised in a neoliberal orthadoxy and have never examined the reality behind the status quo. The latter can be reasoned with, but those who know the realities behind the liberal status quo and do not oppose it are unreasonable. those who defend liberalism while knowing the way that is is able to keep operating are defending the indefensible.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What the hell is wrong with the country?

fucking lol on the idea of a civil war between liberals and spiteful liberals (aka conservatives). what’d be the ideological disagreement? one side wanting to shit on poors and minorities, while the other wants to shit on poors and minorities while pretending to like them? hahaha

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / I am damn tired of Obamacare. Now it's time for the correction. :)

cut off nose to spite face, crab mentality, align with the ones oppressing you because you have never known any better.

anyone, myself included, who’s not ultra wealthy and does not support the end of capitalism (in this instance meaning universal health care. not freaking obama care lol) is basically a house nigger

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What the hell is wrong with the country?

Originally posted by stanwise:
Originally posted by jhco50:

Obama, who is more than likely a Muslim

You know, up until now, I actually thought you were a reasonable conservative, not a right-wing conspiracy nut. Thanks for showing your true colors so I know to take everything you say with a grain of salt!

there is no such way as a reasonable conservative, just as theres no such thing as a reasonable liberal (of which conservatives are a subset).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / White teen killed by black cop!!

riots and looting are intrinsically good things, they sre the underclasses pent up ennui and suppression bursting out against the chains that bind them. Any extrajudicial state-murder is worthy of protest, and when it fits in the nexus of race relations (or other maligned minority, excl poors as anyone likely to be killed by a cop will be poor in adition to their other marginalised statuses) it is more worthy of protest & riots (insofar as it deals with multiple issues and thus has an intersectional value to it). though ultimately, without class conciousness and the identification of those who oppress the masses, riots achieve little to no lasting effect.

the moral is that you should protest, smash the chains that bind you. kill your boss, burn police stations, eat the wealthy, etc.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Louis Head needs to be arrested for inciting riot.

as a uk expat, i do keep abreast, to some extent on the goings on there, incl. the police situation. While they are less fucked than in other places, such as with their being unarmed (iirc they still have less than lethal options though, such as tasers and clubs). They’re still mighty quick to stomp on heads come protests and unneccesarily escalate conflicts (though with only less than lethal options available, there is a limit to that too).

You’re right wrt the other vital roles played by police, which is why i only write them off under this (and many other) non representative form of govt. Ideally, police would be able to serve a role of community service such as the case you have outlined without also being used to intimidate or persecute sections of the community.

I guess i’m especially salty as i’ve been witness to the growing desplays of police force as a means of intimidation in my area, seeing multiple police cars a day roaming the streets (recently i got stalked down 2 streets by a police car before they jumped out and talked to me for 30 minutes because they thought it suspicious that i was walking around, i guess cuz most people drive or something), there have been 3 police killings in the past few days in my city and i saw an apc in desert camo filled with soldiers driving down the motorway. so my trust for them is possibly as low as it can go, however, there are certainly legitimate roles for police or police like organisations, just they seem to be marginalised by the objectionable functions in my recent experience

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Louis Head needs to be arrested for inciting riot.

people in law enforcement are, no doubt, people first and foremost. However, by being in law enforcement, such as with folks who join the army, they are, wittingly or otherwise, instruments of the state’s will against those who would challenge such a thing. Since the state, as it currently exists, only represents a tiny minority of the population it manages, the police enforce the will of that minority onto the majority that they do not represent. Their means of enforcing this will is through the use of violent force.

Further, as a position of power, where their actions are largely less scrutinised than those of non-police citizens, the [police force tends to attract the kind of people who will abuse any small position of power they get over anyone they can. however i am willing to admit that there are law enforcement personel who do not fit that description, however they are likely complicit in the ability of the previous group to get away with what they get away with.

I must, grudingly, admit that i was being hyperbolic in my comments earlier as there are theoretically innocent police officers in the “forgive them father for they know not what they do” sense. and that as cathartic as killing coppers would be, it wouldn’t achieve the neccesary structural changes to allow for a more representative state, which is ultimately the core of the problem.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Should good behaviour be taught at school?

any teaching of good behaviour in schools is entirely conditioning kids to unconditionally accept authority, though often this only half works (in so far as the boundaries authority is tested, but it is never properly challenged by students). good behaviour ought be the development of moral axioms and then the logical application of those axioms, regardless of which entrenched power groups those challenge, and the self-reflexivity to denaturalise one’s own opinions and the cultural norms of the society in which they have existed their whole life so as to avoid double standards and for kids to be capable of questioning the underlying inconsistencies within the ideological framework of their society

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / I am damn tired of Obamacare. Now it's time for the correction. :)

obamacare is a failure in that it is the state propping up and supporting private industry through forcing people to purchase insurance, meaning the state is legislating the transfer of capital from the poor to the wealthy directly. obamacare makes it a crime for people to not further enrich to the already obscenely wealthy. obamacare should have been the complete destruction of the unethical & usurious practice of private healthcare & the arrest or execution of those who profiteered from and enabled the profiteering from the private healthcare racket (this includes the many govts in the past 30+ years who legislated in favour of the current fucked up state of affairs).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Louis Head needs to be arrested for inciting riot.

anyone who would seek to do harm to a member of law enforcement is probably of better character than anyone within law enforcement. michael brown’s only crime will be if his martyrdom doesn’t lead to significant numbers of dead or injured cops

 

Topic: Serious Discussion / Louis Head needs to be arrested for inciting riot.

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