Recent posts by Dever on Kongregate

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Topic: Kongregate / PETITION: stop badging MMOs where you have to wait

Originally posted by Natamora:

As I read more of the things regarding waiting for energy, it makes me feel as though people are just sitting on the game screen, constantly. Just go do something else, play another game, read a book, go outside. The game ultimately doesn’t take up more time than any other, the segments are just spread out. Personally? I find it convenient. Come, put my 15 minutes in and leave.

That’s waaayyy better than some games *coughcough*Mardek*coughcough* where I put over 70 hours, and still didn’t feel like I was accomplishing anything. Give me more energy based MMOs over another Mardek game.

So you’d rather have badges that require minimal effort and skill. Not that I disagree, but it kind of ruins the “hard” in hard badges.

For DotD, I’m not sure how you would play for 15 minutes each session. It should only take a few minutes tops to spend all your energy. For me, I think it took about 30-40 sessions over 2-3 days to get the new hard badge (when I already had the earlier ones). That’s starting up a game to play for a few minutes about 10+ times per day. That gets very annoying. Not to mention the game kicks you out for idling.

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Topic: Kongregate / PETITION: stop badging MMOs where you have to wait

My biggest complaint about the DotD hard badge is that 100 mil raid damage doesn’t mean anything. It’s not anything special or really an accomplishment. It’s only there to get you to play the game for an arbitrary amount of time.

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Topic: Kongregate / Premium

Originally posted by IceWeaselX:

I’m not sure of the legality of gambling premium currency for more premium currency.

It’s definitely legal if the game doesn’t support cashing out the in-game currency for real-world money. That’s one of the reasons it’s usually against the game’s TOS.

When a game supports it like the Diablo 3 Auction House, it’s still legal, but there are more restrictions like tax laws and the amount of money that can be transferred. Only South Korea considered it gambling because the auction fee is non-refundable, and the item isn’t guaranteed to sell, not because of the chance of an item drop.

I’d imagine it would be different for actual gambling (placing a bet) with in-game currency and not just auctions when you can cash out for real-world money.

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Topic: Kongregate / Premium

I’m curious as to what’s your goal with this discussion. Unethical practices regarding premium content will still continue, as there isn’t much preventing them and they’re proving to be profitable. Some will say the players are to blame for spending too much. Some will blame the developers for being manipulative. Even if we come to a consensus if something is ethical or unethical, then what?

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Topic: Kongregate / Adobe Killing Flash Mobile - Kongregate Arcade

Originally posted by racefan12:

I admittedly know virtually nothing about Steam, but a cursory Wikipedia search indicates that it is also available for PS3 and mobile devices.

You’re confusing “oriented” with “exclusive”. According to the wiki, it’s severely limited on those platforms. It won’t be able to compete with PSN, XBL, or the Apple and Android stores on their turf. Its main purpose is being a store and DRM for the PC and can’t do the same for the other platforms.

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Topic: Kongregate / Adobe Killing Flash Mobile - Kongregate Arcade

There is no longer a such thing as a “PC-oriented website”.


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Topic: Kongregate / new update or..?

It’s not the image but something else. There’s a couple of seconds where it seems to be doing nothing after loading the image but before loading the game starts.

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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate's "privacy" of its users

Ah, I just saw that’s it’s under “email preferences”, but it’s also under “edit profile”. So, email addresses aren’t even shared with law enforcement or under a court order? :p

The profile info is public, so it’s one of the things Kongregate is allowed to share. I assume that info can also be shared even when the privacy options are enabled. The privacy policy only refers to user visibility.

Unless we tell you first (such as at the time we collect information from you), or unless it is part of a specific program or feature in which you have elected to participate, we do not share personally identifiable information that we have collected (such as name or email address) with other, third-party companies for their own commercial or marketing purposes.

There are still exceptions in any case. Even though you may not be sharing email addresses now, the privacy policy still says you can. And “for their own commercial or marketing purposes” doesn’t exclude sharing the info for their other purposes (whatever they may be).

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Topic: Kongregate / k+ charter medal question

Originally posted by IAmTheCandyman:
Originally posted by coldgears:

Question… If I become a charter member, and let my membership lapse, will I be able to stay a charter member when I renew it again? I hope so, I might be “accidentally” use one of my two brothers, or my sisters, credit card to be able to afford it. I probably won’t be able to get away with doing this more than once without making enemies with my family. If it doesn’t matter if your membership lapse, I could always use their card once, let it lapse until I finish college, and than start paying for it again one year after I let it lapse… And still be a charter member.

Any official word?

I’m pretty sure you’d remain a charter member. Even if you don’t continue your subscription, you would still have been a charter member, so I’d think it’d stay.

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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate's "privacy" of its users

I doubt your ISP knows there’s an 18 year old in the house if they’re not the billpayer, and random advertising on sites definitely doesn’t know that. Whatever is tracked about you is not personally identifiable – if you looked at all the info a tracking cookie was storing, you wouldn’t be able to say “oh that’s Fricknmaniac”.

They don’t even have to personally identify you to invade your privacy. It’s good enough to know that someone or anyone is using that specific PC/smartphone. Let’s say you have an embarrasing medical condition and visit sites related to it. Suddenly, you have ads about it shown to you whenever you browse. Someone else can use your PC and make the connection why those ads are showing up for them.

You know about How Target Figured Out A Teen Girl Was Pregnant Before Her Father Did? They had a name linked to the account, but suppose it was a household account or a personal one with User X. It could’ve been similar depending on who’s in the family.

THe cookie is stored on your PC and you can delete it any time you like. It doesn’t send information back to a sever to be saved about you, because cookies can’t do that. And it can only be written to, or read from, sites using the ad network, because cookies aren’t crossdomain.
If you’re worred about cookies, you probably already block them, so them being easy to delete doesn’t matter. If you’re not worried about them, then you probably don’t care about deleting them.

It’s an additional way to track you instead of just through an IP. Cookies only need a unique ID for tracking. Like you kind of said, cookies can be read across domains, and that’s good enough to gather which sites you visited that use that ad network. There are also Flash cookies that are cross-domain.

there’s something wrong when people are happy for stores to know everything about them and store the information themselves, but panic over cookies storing demographic information that you can delete at any point.
I doubt there are many who are both thrilled about stores collecting their info and worried about cookies.

Sure, there are many times I don’t care about being tracked. But why take the chance there will be a time when I do care when it’s so easy to block them?

This thread was originally about trackers, but I’d also be worried about Kongregate’s privacy policy since they’re actually a store and do have your personal info when you buy something and can share it.

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Topic: Kongregate / A lil' touch from our Kongredevs

Originally posted by Zshadow:

Keeeep lookinggg.

Does it involve doing something that gets you banned?

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Topic: Kongregate / The State of Kongregate.

Originally posted by schizophoenix:

I would be very interested to know what proportion of these are driven by MMOs that encourage users to spam messages.

It’s not just spamming messages but also their players mass-friending/following each other. Many MMOs here are using Kong’s friend/follower system for in-game bonuses since it’s similar to Facebook’s (so it’s easier for devs to port that aspect).

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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate's "privacy" of its users

This is a liberal interpretation of Kongregate’s privacy policy. It may or may not reflect what they actually do now, but it does show what they can do.

Just a warning that it only applies to online information:

This notice describes only our online information collection and use practices at this Site; it doesn’t apply to information we collect about you offline (such as over the phone) or in different situations (such as through email correspondence).
It also doesn’t apply to email or whatever “different situations”.

If you do not agree with the privacy practices described in this Privacy Policy, it may be best to limit your level of interaction with our Site, which could include simply not providing us with personal information.
Using addons that block tracking is sanctioned.

Under Account Settings:
We respect your privacy and will never share it with third parties.
Kongregate does make exceptions, so this isn’t true.

As part of our regular business conduct, we may share information with companies or individuals providing services or acting on our behalf, such as companies providing technological or fulfillment services.
That’s basically anyone Kongregate does business with.

To personalize the Site, and to simplify the registration process, we give you the option to link your account with Facebook. When you link your account, Facebook may share data about you with us, and we may share information about you with Facebook. In addition, Kongregate users who are your friends on Facebook will be shown your Kongregate username if you have both linked your Facebook accounts.
When you link a Facebook account, they can share whatever info they want with each other.

Unless we tell you first (such as at the time we collect information from you), or unless it is part of a specific program or feature in which you have elected to participate, we do not share personally identifiable information that we have collected (such as name or email address) with other, third-party companies for their own commercial or marketing purposes.
Information You Provide: You provide certain personally identifiable information (such as your name and email address) to Kongregate when choosing to participate in various activities on the Site such as chat, posting messages in the games comment section or in our forums, sending feedback, entering contests, responding to surveys, or subscribing to newsletters or other mailing lists. Additional information (such as address) may be collected when uploading a game, or making a purchase.
They just warned you they collect any personally identifiable information (that you give), so they’re allowed to share it.

Originally posted by emily_greer:

Most of the rest I recognize as ad networks that are running through Google’s Adsense, plus a couple like CPM Star that we work with directly. The fact that we’re not setting them intentionally doesn’t really make things any better, but there’s also not much we can really do. We need to run advertising to pay the developers of the games as well as to cover our server & staff costs — kreds revenue mostly goes just to the games that use kreds — and all ad networks need to run tracking in order to optimize their ad serving. It’s not a satisfying answer, but it’s an honest one.

Thanks for not sugarcoating it.
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Topic: Kongregate / Time World badges

My mistake. An add-on was blocking the part of the game that submits stats, so it’s working now.

What happened was I only got the badge for army strength at first. The chapter stat was added after I quit, so I didn’t have a value for that stat until they were resubmitted. At least I know how to use ?debug_level=4 now.

Debugging API Steps
Example of the console output

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Topic: Kongregate / Time World badges

The Chapter # Completed ones won’t be awarded if you’ve already past them. Will this be fixed, or do I just have to report the missing achievements? For future players, will this be a problem if they’re not connected to chat when they complete the chapters?

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Topic: Kongregate / Recently played games list is rigged?

At least for me, the Game Spotlight is shown in the 4th spot, not the 6th.

Originally posted by Fricknmaniac:

Have you tried rating the game or using the ‘x’ button in the top right corner when you hover over it?

That’s for the recommended games list.

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Topic: Kongregate / my pet protector 3 question

You have to keep exploring the map. One type of random event is meeting someone who will unlock a building. Upgrading the graveyard raises the bravery cap.

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Topic: Kongregate / New Kongregate Version: Bug fixes and hopefully a little less spam

This week’s challenge just shows a line and part of the game’s icon in the Activity Feed on the homepage, and it doesn’t show up in the Activity Feed on the Community page at all.

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Topic: Kongregate / Dear Kong, stop trying to lure me with points, tyvm.

The promotion is more about buying from GameStop than just simply promoting a product. You only get PUR points by buying from GameStop, so they’re probably deducting that (a very small amount) from their profits off of a sale and whatever they get from you being enrolled in the PUR program (like customer loyalty). I doubt ZeniMax is paying for that part of the promotion.

@123aaa789: On the subject of not playing the Elder Scrolls games, the first two games are free nowadays. Would you rather have the one that’s so hard most players can’t get through the tutorial, or the one that’s so glitchy you’re likely to fall through the earth during a casual stroll? Pick your poison.
Just watch gameplay videos of them on YouTube. The first two games are a bad idea to play now. I recommend watching Morrowind and Oblivion: The Shivering Isles in addition to Skyrim if you don’t get a chance to play them.

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Topic: Kongregate / how am i supposed to answer the 3 questions when the trailer has nothing to do with the questions?

That meme got old fast, and I can’t believe they’re mentioning it now. It’s like trying to bring back the Macarena.

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Topic: Kongregate / Family Guy Online Double Points Weekend!

Originally posted by ExiledGentleman:

Just gonna point this out, just because the first Papa’s game got extremely long badges, if you take a look at the rest of the sequel’s badges, you’ll notice they are significantly shorter. Although, yes it is long and repetitive, you guys are giving the game a terribly bad rep for poor badge design in the first game.

It’s more like every single one of them gets badged. I believe Papa’s Freezeria had the shortest badges, so why the longer badges for the following games?

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Topic: Kongregate / Games encouraging message spam

The main reason we have everyone opted into this is so that no one is unaware that the feature of the site exists. It’s easy to opt out of something you don’t enjoy, but it’s a lot more difficult to get people to check something out or use a feature if they don’t even know it exists.

I like how you make spam a positive feature for users and are doing it for their own good. Youtube doesn’t automatically subscribe you to every channel, and almost everyone knows about that feature. The uploaders (sometimes annoyingly) promote it themselves. It could become a trend that promotes Kong, seeing “Subscribe to the game on Kongregate” from developers.

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Topic: Kongregate / Badge Suggestions!

Finishing the Boss Run in Reactance 2 looks like a good candidate for an impossible badge. I don’t think there’s a stat for it, so it could use an OR condition with a 120% warp core, 26 mastered levels, or 26 bombless levels. If the stat was added, it would be an easier badge since you could then use 2 useful ship mods, take damage, and use bombs.

I finished it both on a slow and fast computer. Although it’s harder on a fast computer, it’s still very doable.

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Topic: Kongregate / Question about tip jar >.>

Originally posted by EndlessSporadic:

I think the problem is that when developers don’t reach the $25 minimum payout fee, the money sits there. The dev doesn’t have access to this money and most small devs won’t make 25 dollars worth to get the tips they get.

I will go ahead and assume that Kongregate uses the money that developers get from Kreds but pays out of pocket when the paychecks go out.

The money can eventually pay for itself through interest and investments in addition to the money that will never get paid out. It’s similar to how banks work (except they pay some interest).

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Topic: Epic War Saga / Crafting graph

I was playing with Graphviz and made a quick graph to help visualize the crafting system. The pic is large, so I won’t embed it.

Here’s the image link
Here’s the Graphviz code

It’s a simple automatically generated graph. I was thinking about adding more details like total cost, item stats, where to get the items, etc. but currently have no plans to do so.