Recent posts by Tetsuo_Shima on Kongregate

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Topic: Technical Support / unwanted namechange

FYI, this is a general Kongregate support forum, nobody here will know anything about your previous ordeals. From what I read, I’d be surprised if any Kongregate employee does either.

I hear balens and I think Wartune. I very much doubt an actual developer did what you say, more likely support personnel or some sort of in-game administrator. I’d contact R2 support and specifically ask them about it. If they’re really stonewalling you or claiming falsehoods, you could try to take it up with Kong support, potentially via email or the feedback form. Personally I don’t see anything wrong with the nick Magister. Make sure you present a nice dossier with all relevant facts as far as you know them and definitely don’t obfuscate matters, that’ll probably work to your disadvantage in the long run.

Either way, as with every other mmo game out there, your player rights are nearly nonexistent, you get to play the game by the grace of the producer, if they decide to block you for whatever reason and if they decide to be completely unreasonable, there usually isn’t a whole lot you can do.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Flash on Linux Chromium

Originally posted by player_03:
Originally posted by Tetsuo_Shima:

Obviously I don’t have access to all software which incorporates version checks ever written all over the world… So if that is what you meant, your statement is kind of pointing out the obvious.

Something like that. Basically, you’re more likely to notice a version check that goes wrong than one that goes right.

Also obvious, as unless you actually go through lengths to find version checks you won’t find them unless they go wrong. The fact that they go wrong so often is what’s the point there though. I suppose you could take that and argue about how often is often and next thing you know we’re having a philosophical discussion. :p

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Flash on Linux Chromium

Originally posted by player_03:
Originally posted by Tetsuo_Shima:

Especially when badly implemented, which usually seems to be the case.

How would you know?

Usually in this case signifies how often issues like these crop up in software. Obviously I don’t have access to all software which incorporates version checks ever written all over the world… So if that is what you meant, your statement is kind of pointing out the obvious. Other than that, you should for example really read up on all the things microsoft has to pull to overcome bad version checks in software by third party developers, so people in later windows versions can actually run software perfectly capable of running on later versions, but simply being excluded from doing so by bad version checks.

As far as I’m concerned, what you choose to run a software package is not up to the developer, it’s up to the user. It’s perfectly fine to warn users about possible incompatibilities, it’s not fine to force a user to use a specific thing and if they aren’t refuse to execute. It’s especially bad in case of future proofing software for example.

 
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Topic: Technical Support / page back while playing

Open every game page in a new tab, nothing to go back to then. ^^

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Flash on Linux Chromium

Version checks are the worst! Especially when badly implemented, which usually seems to be the case.

 
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Topic: Global Assault / Free Kreds?

I guess they found out it was dead easy to circumvent the us-only restriction and decided to stop excluding non-techies. (chuckle)
Still… Good call! ^^

 
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Topic: Technical Support / "You can always see your Kred count..."

You must understand. Kongregate is a vast organisation with thousands upon thousands of employees. You can’t honestly expect the left hand to know what the right hand is doing in a place that gigantic, so of course it’s natural for employees to update things in one place and completely forget about it in the other places where it might apply. It’s perfectly normal for this kind of oversight to happen in any such massive workplace. [/sarcasm]

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Will Kongregate follow the European standard

It seems this forum is full of libertarians. :D

While I do have respect for that and would in fact be all for it in a world where people were actually nicer and smarter. In a realistic scenario however, that’s never going to happen.

Anyway, I’ve played a ton of mmo’s on kong and, from my perspective, while there really aren’t games that actually force you to buy, there always is a strong incentive and temptation to buy for all sort of things, at least, that is my personal experience.

So, taking into account both your story, bobby, and my own, it really does seem to be in the eye of the beholder.

Anyways, I’m still curious if Kong will go on calling free-ish games free (with emphasis on free), or whether they’ll make it clear that there is a possibility and strong incentive to spend sometimes considerable amounts of money in there.

 
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Topic: Global Assault / Free Kreds?

Originally posted by warrior28:

Link to click there, that will prompt to send an email to you.

What does that mean? I cannot decode ur code. :p
I do think most of us are stuck at this very point, so some clarification would help a lot of folks. ^^

All I see on the kong home screen is: hi, player name, community and achievements, settings, support, player name in button, forum and 2 commercials buttons. oh and a link to messages.

I tried logging out and back in with no change, reinstall app, no change.

 
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Topic: Global Assault / Free Kreds?

I haven’t got a clue how to get that working either, download app, run tutorial again, press K and sign in, nothing happens, no special button pops up.

Tried again with an alt account, same thing except this time I completed the sign into kong objective on the alt account giving me those 25 ingame, no mention of a code or an email or a button…

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Will Kongregate follow the European standard

By that definition we should just fully allow all vices such as addictive drugs and so forth as well. Most governments disagree, but maybe we should just oppose that and let all stupid people be stupid. Now, you could argue: not for those type of things, they’re more serious. But then the issue simply becomes where to draw the line, clearly in this instance the EU has drawn the line elsewhere than you did bobby and crow.

They’re not saying you can’t have those games anymore btw, you simply can’t state that they’re free anymore, which in all honesty, they’re mostly not and they most certainly try to pull out all the stops to get you to buy. ^^

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Will Kongregate follow the European standard

Ah, but it’s not just about mobile apps, it’s also about online content eh, the rest is self explanatory.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Will Kongregate follow the European standard

Press Release

In short, online/mobile/… apps/games/… should be extremely straightforeward about the true cost involved in using the apps/games/… As such, it’s no longer acceptable to call apps/games/… “free” if the app/game/… in question allows for or entices people to make use of in-app/game/… purchases.

I know Kongregate is not a European company or even has a European office. Just curious if they’ll follow this standard, considering all major players (google/apple/…) will. A few things kong already does, other things it doesn’t fully. While I don’t really expect any change, I’m still curious.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Bring back Global Mods, here is a reason why Global Mods are needed more than Room Mods

Exactly and by that definition there’s no need for mods at all. Let’s get rid of all the mods and let everyone deal with stuff themselves! I fully agree with your assessement there! ^^

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Don't buy Kreds! You can be banned for doing so!

On this note, something I’ve always wondered. Often when I see this sort of thing on the forum, when Kong is suspecting fraud or taking random samples, it seems to be about an account which has made substantial purchases over a period of time. I’m going to assume it’s mostly with the same credit card. And then suddenly they decide they need to check into that and when they don’t get the reply they want, they block the entire thing, thus basically asserting that the current transaction was fraudulous and hence so most likely would all the previous ones have been. Now, assuming they actually were fraudulous, what happens to the actual owner of the card? Shouldn’t he have some way of getting reimbursed (not necessarily by kong obviously)? If kong has a way of checking the identity of the owner of a credit card, they must also have some sort of contact details (other than the obvious account details of the account that’s been deemed engaging in fraudulous activity), shouldn’t they need to notify the owner via those ways that they have potentially been the target of fraudulous activity? How else is this person ever going to be able to do something about it and potentially get reimbursed via whatever means possible. It seems obvious to me, if this person (the actual owner), hasn’t complained or halted previous purchases he’s not going to be aware at that point and never will do anything about it. Is there some sort of mechanism for this in place as well? Or does kong simply take the easy way out to cover their own backs so they won’t be open for a liability suit?

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Upcoming Badges!

Originally posted by Maritos:

Just finished Zombo Buster Rising. The final boss is hard, even with max upgrades, just like the final boss of Mighty Knight from the same developer. I would go with a hard badge here.

The game is ok for its genre, defnitely not grindy overall, very straightforeward, no fails all the way up to the last level, but then… It ramps up very hard all at once. To complete that last level, there will be some replays involved to gain enough gold for the required upgrades. The first time around I got it to 50% hp before being completely overwhelmed. I haven’t completed it yet, but I’m fairly certain the above assessement is on target.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Upcoming Badges!

I’d go for 40 on medium, at 30 you’re barely out of diapers in that game, the tutorial lasts a long time and plenty of stuff left to unlock. In a way, inferno legend is a sort of idle mmo game, you can just click and the game plays itself, aside from some tactical decisions. ^^

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Idle game badges

[probably off-topic and I have no intention of hijacking the thread, so I won’t be replying to anything about this in this thread further]

He actually does speak briefly on what you say.

As for specifics for myself, to me unlocking things, getting achievements and such more is nothing more than giving the player in question a false sense of accomplishment (you haven’t really unlocked anything of any use whatsoever). If unlocking and accomplishing things is really what they enjoy most, there are many other (real life) things they can apply that to, but rarely do (in my personal experience when I look at other people I know – different environments may provide different results). In the end the achievement/unlock/… becomes more important than the game itself and you’ll actually be satisfied (or even more satisfied) by unlocking something than actually playing a game that had some actual thought and effort put into it.

- example: I need to get this badge, I hate the game in question, but I need this badge, that kind of behaviour. I’m fairly confident a great number of badge players display this behaviour (I have no statistics obviously, though I’m certain kong could easily get them if they so chose, but the observation has been independently made by many different people → lots of games lose a lot of rating once they get badges, simply from the badge players who want the badge, but hate the game).

Unlocking things means nothing, I find it incomprehensible that the simple act of unlocking something can actually give meaning to a game or make it fun. It can add a tiny little bit to a game, sure, but as the sole real feature, no thnx. On top of that, a way to circumvent the unlock entirely adds at least an equal amount to the game. Now, that is my personal opinion, I found it reflected in a way in the above article and thought it somewhat applied to the discussion, up to a point. Everyone is free to disagree obviously. ^^

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Idle game badges

Originally posted by player_03:
Originally posted by Kyle Orland @ Ars Technica:

Players should want to play your game because the gameplay or the story is inherently fun or interesting, not because they’ll earn some random virtual trinket or watch a completion counter tick up toward 100 percent.

But what if having locked content makes the gameplay fun/interesting?

Did you read the article or just the quote, since the author actually touches on the subject of what I think you mean by that statement.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Idle game badges

Something that vaguely touches on this subject and other things going on in a lot of these flash games on this site:

Originally posted by Kyle Orland @ Ars Technica:

Personally, if the only reason you’re playing a game is to unlock other parts of the game, then it’s probably not a very good game. Players should want to play your game because the gameplay or the story is inherently fun or interesting, not because they’ll earn some random virtual trinket or watch a completion counter tick up toward 100 percent. If that’s really all you want out of a game, Clicker Heroes is available for free on your browser.

source: Breaking the lock: Why all game content should be unlocked from the outset

The whole article is worth a read, multiple things touch on lots of stuff going on in flash games in general as well as gaming in general that’s somewhat relevant to this discussion, of course, the article has a different purpose, so there is even more in there that is not relevant, but still well worth a read imho.

 
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Topic: Technical Support / HOW DO I SAFELY BUY KREDS.

[sarcasm] Go to your local bankoffice and ask them for the amount of your liking in cash. Buy a plane ticket to KongHQ via the internet using your preferred credit card. Drive to the airport and hop on the plane. Once arrived at KongHQ, ring the front door bell and tell them you’d like to buy x amount of kreds and hand the cashier the money in person. Book a hotel room in the vicinity and wait for Kong to mail the money to the Fed for verification of authenticity. Check back every few days in person with said Kong cashier to see if the authenticity of your currency has been verified by the Fed and once you receive word that it has, check your account on-site on the local keylogger infected guest computer. Once you are satisfied the requested amount of kreds has been deposited into your account, take the plane back to your residence and once arrived there begin to enjoy your well earned kreds! [/sarcasm]

As for a truthful reply, I really don’t know, I just couldn’t restrain myself from posting the above. ^^

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Idle game badges

Maybe it’s because the high level of skill involved to play such an idle game successfully doesn’t warrant it for any badges worth more than 1 point?

As a side note, I’m actually honestly surprised not all recent idle games have bitcoin hashers running in the background on a low priority thread. Nice addition to the dev’s income without it ruining the gameplay and as far as I can tell it’s all legal and allowed, heck you could score the player’s success in the game based on the amount of bitcoins hashed times some multiplier lmfao.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Moderators are not going on Modcalls, they all are making excuses of why they dont want to go to Modcall

Originally posted by bobby71983:
Originally posted by LouWeed:

Why be a mod at all

You get lots of pretend friends.

lmfao!

 
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Topic: Technical Support / weird chat issues

Doesn’t really matter which is the original thread, just trying to connect them, since there’s 3 threads now that I’ve seen.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / November '14 Suggestion Thread

Originally posted by adv0catus:
Originally posted by VaporeonAquapaws:

My suggestion is put the kong chat to the mobile :3

Chat is a Flash object associated with the game that has been loaded. Most, if not all, current smart phones and associated platforms do not support Flash.

This might be a good time to migrate the whole thing to html5.
It seems kong needs to hire some more devs considering what most suggestions are pointing to. :D

(maybe they’re already doing that and that’s why they seem too busy to improve the current stuff (chuckle))