Recent posts by Tetsuo_Shima on Kongregate

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Topic: Kamicat Football / Pay-to-play

WOW, just wow…

I just had 2 players get injured in the same game, a few games before that I had another player unjured, one of them is out for 5 days. If these were like in-game days or so, ok… But 5 real days. WTF!! You’re just shouting to me, stop playing our game for 5 days or pay up! Well, I may just forget about your game in 5 days.

Injuries seem to happen approximately every 3-5 games.
A lot of content in the game is available only with premium currency, and I don’t mean a little bit of currency, but 50+ currency for one amount of anything worth anything.

With this in mind I did a quick calculation: football manager 2014 (full version, pay once, get all content – of course you still have to work to unlock it, while in this one you could potentially just buy everything and have everything right from the start) costs $25 in store, which is roughly equivalent to 275 kreds which in turn is roughly equivalent to 280 in-game currency.

I’ll need to pay like 5 currency every 5 games (just to fix injuries; either that or buy even more players which at 50+ kreds a pop is definitely not cheaper in the short run, I have yet to run into any player for non-premium currency that’s worth getting bought, admittedly I’ve only been playing this for 2 days, however, 2 days of playing a game is a long time in my book to not see any fresh worthwhile content, while simply waiting for the game to catch up with me), and say I buy 4 players and a stadium eventually, that means after a maximum of 30 matches I’ll have reached over $25 in game cost.

Since manager games are long-term games, the end conclusion is that this game is too costly for what it offers and the further you get in to the game the more it’ll start to cost you (I’m pretty certain even you can easily reach a point where playing for free becomes literally impossible). So, if you’re into this sort of thing and want to play more than two to three matches a day on average DON’T play this game, just go straight for a full version and save yourself a small amount of money in the short run (and some waiting frustration while you’re at it) and ginormous amount in the long run.

It’s a shame because the game itself is quite promising, but insanely hamstrung by overly greedy producers. Anyway, enjoy your game nobody will ever pay for because it’s too expensive mr overly greedy producer. I think you just shot yourself in the foot, since no one with half a brain (and I presume the type of player who plays this sort of game does have half a brain) is ever going to spend any money on this because it’s just too stupendously expensive.


Now I did read some comments in this forum suggesting not to pay and just be really really patient… Well erm… If I want to be patient I’ll go do something else, when I want to play a game I want to play it when it suits me, not when the game decides it should suit me and definitely not in a few days because the game decides I need to pay if I want to play right now. Now, I’m not at all an impatient person, but waiting for a game… No, just no… Games are supposed to be fun and/or relaxing, being told to wait is anything but fun or relaxing. Any freemium game that employs such mechanics is shouting at me: “we didn’t really know what to do to make players stick around longer for a bigger chance that they’ll actually buy something with real live cash, so we just let them wait”.

Goodbye other players, sooner or later you’ll all come to see the light as well. :-)

 
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Topic: Technical Support / Banned for Purchase Issues??

Contact kreds@kongregate.com

And maybe read this.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / How to create a room?

Since this topic is going extremely off topic, let me give you a quick opinionated reply to the original question:

You can’t create a room of your own unless you become a K+ subscriber.

The very reason they’re getting rid of rooms is because they want to bring more people together, so making new regular rooms while getting rid of another bunch would completely undermine the point. So I would expect your petition to fall on deaf ears.

There, now we can all move along. :p

 
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Topic: Technical Support / I Dont know where to ask this

If you can’t buy kreds via boku on Kong that can have 2 reasons I know off.

1. boku itself doesn’t support it (in which case the problem is on boku’s end)
2. the price to purchase kreds in your country via mobile phone over boku is insanely expensive (in which case the problem is on the mobile phone provider’s end)

You could petition Kong to try and petition the one causing the ‘problems’, it’s extremely unlikely that’ll change anything in any reasonable time frame if at all though. You can always use some of the other payment methods, there are quite a few alternatives available and if phone payment is really the only one that’s available to you, I’m not sure if you should be (or are honestly allowed to be) making purchases at all.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Chat Rooms that will be Closing on Nov. 3

My own chat doesn’t seem to have the same loading bias as yours does adv0catus. It only loads if my last tab was a chat tab, single- or multiplayer doesn’t enter into the equation.

As for the rest, since the behaviour you describe doesn’t seem to be universally true, the explanation is likely incorrect. I could come up with several alternative explanations though.

As for the commercial nature of the world… I could write whole books about that, but I’m sure we wouldn’t want to get all philosophical on that.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Broken badges

Originally posted by Hizack:

Dawn of Darkness will be shut down on Nov 29th, 2014.

Oh wow, that must be the shortest-lived badge on kong so far, it only lasted a good year. I just went back to check it out and apparently they just delete your account if you’re inactive or so, I played that game for several months and it’s asking me to start fresh lmao. Can’t say I’m sad to see a game which treats players that way go, good riddance.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Chat Rooms that will be Closing on Nov. 3

You should make a countdown timer and a party room, so we can party like it’s 1999, erm…





I’m getting too old for this shit…

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Upcoming Badges!

Keep in mind that transmission is completely non-random, so anyone who can type a query into youtube can get a perfect solution if they so choose, impossible is definitely out of the question because of that imho.

I’ve actually been playing it on and off since before it was put on the suggestion list here and it’s taking me quite a while to solve all puzzles perfectly, not suggesting that I’m a benchmark or anything, but if someone solves the whole thing perfectly in an hour or so, then something is up. :D

 
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Topic: Technical Support / cant login with internet explorer

Ok, I’m taking a few shortcuts in the analyses here, but I won’t be far off:

It seems fairly obvious this is a problem on either your computer (which kongregate can’t fix for you) or somewhere in your ‘immediate’ vicinity on the network you’re using to access the internet (which kongregate can’t fix for you). All that can be done is offer suggestions that might fix something if that was the cause, which happened and which apparently didn’t fix it for you, but it is abundantly clear the issue is ‘on your end’, as they say.

If you had taken the trouble to actually go through the big fat bold:
[Read Before Posting] Technical Support F.A.Q.
you probably wouldn’t have missed:

We are always looking to add to this list – did we miss anything? Send an e-mail to support@kongregate.com!

Email there and maybe get a few more pointers that might fix it with no guarantees it will.

Some more suggestions from my end: check if you’re using a proxy in ie or if you have application specific settings in your firewall (specifically targetting ie) that may cause the issue you’re experiencing, whether or not you have the correct ssl/tls settings in the advanced options (correct being ssl 2.0 and 3.0 disabled and tls all enabled, unless you’re hyper-privacy conscious and don’t mind not being able to access some sites, in that case only tls 1.2 enabled and definitely disable tls 1.0 too).

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Has KONG becoming WORSE under the years?

Yes!




Wait… NO!!




Wait… Whut?!?




Yawn…

 
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Topic: Technical Support / Lock up

Wrong place to ask, contact the game dev or the dedicated game forum if there is one (can’t tell since you don’t specify which game you’re playing).

 
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Topic: Technical Support / i didn't get my goodie bag

Wrong place to ask. You need to contact the game dev.

Balens reminds me of wartune(?), as far as I recall they have a dedicated support thing, that’s where you need to be.

I sure do hope I’m mistaken as to the game you’re playing, since that is one money gobbling pos game. :D

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Ratings Fraud?

Your statement makes me curious, can developers see which players rated their game and how much they rated it? Is there a public or developer-only api to retreive this information? If not, how did you draw your conclusions (since in this case it seems too much like guess-work to me)?

 
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Topic: Technical Support / Unity player issue

I’m pretty sure it’s about this.

Enjoy the “fix”. (chuckle)

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Ratings Fraud?

I doubt someone is specifically targetting your game to reduce the rating. What I think is far more likely is people are rating games just to get a few points. There are even scripts available that’ll auto-rate 50 games for you, every day. Just say you want to rate every game 3 stars click go and boom, less than 5 minutes later 50 points for free, every day. If your game has a low hit-count, this can eventually significantly impact your game.

 
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Topic: Kongregate / 50 games rated a day? + 24hr time span change.

lmfao, way to necro a 5 year old thread. :D

Anyhoo, personally I think rating games gives way!! too many points, I’d reduce the point gain to 1 point for every 5 rates with a maximum of 5 points gainable a day and no limit on how many times you can rate a day (you can rate as many games as you like a day, but only the first will give you points, go ahead and rate as many as you can every day, the more the merrier), that would solve all issues at once. Less uninformed point-rating whoring (there is no way you can accurately quote a game in 30 seconds… and the incentive to just rate whatever for 5 points in 25 pages is slightly less than 50 points in 50 pages) and no more complaints about limitations on rating quotas. Should be quite easy to implement too. If that’s too much trouble, than reducing the amount of rates/day to 20 would be a start (5-30 minutes to properly rate a game seems fair, usually; it would still take you something like 5 hours to get to 20 ratings that way).

But meh, this thing has been the same for so many years, it’s not going to change now, but at least i get to spout my opinion. (chuckle)

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Problems in todays Kong

Originally posted by multifails:

No, I want you to decide wether you want to discuss it or not. If not, then just go away.

That is what I did in my first post in your thread. I wrote my opinion about the perceived problems you described. Feel free to comment on those opinions. That is generally what a discussion is, people giving their opinions about a subject instead of completely ignoring the argument and going after a person’s perceived character. At least we can have this argument rest now and you can move back on topic. ^^

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Problems in todays Kong

Well, you want to keep on going, lets keep on going. :D

Originally posted by multifails:

Neither did I say every player of every game would get reminded about every game they played now did I? Only those who chose to be. Why would you choose to argue from a hyperbolic point of view on the other hand implies you do not wish to actually discuss this as much as dismiss it.

I have no idea where you think I said any of the sort. :D

Originally posted by multifails:

Even AAAAAAAA and A rated game companies release poorly finished games all the time, in fact, I would argue that there are no games released at all that don’t have bigger and smaller bugs, balance issues and other oversights. Perhaps because player feedback is very valuable in pointing out the things that get caught in the way of players enjoyment.

Let’s start the cyclic arguments too shall we, while we’re at it. ;)

Originally posted by Tetsuo_Shima:

1. If a game is as poorly made as to require such significant updates to make it enjoyable and/or playable, it simply shouldn’t have been released yet and revisiting is not one of the things I’d do, there are plenty of alternatives available. I’d definitely wouldn’t want to be reminded about it by some automated message.

Meaning: if it’s so bad that the finish actually bothers me enough to stop playing it, I wouldn’t play it, period. That is clearly not a comment about minor bugs… All software has minor bugs… It’s about major gameplays foul-ups. Since I cannot imagine you being annoyed enough about: “games make big promises about bug fixes”, where these bug fixes are minor enough so as to not interfere too much with normal gameplay to have you complain so vehemently about: “These often-empty promises”, I assumed it was about such. If you’re actually speaking about minor bug fixing… Well yeh… temper tantrum much…

Originally posted by multifails:

If this subject was only about things relating to you, then considering nothing but yourself is fine, but if you cannot comprehend anything outside of your own existance, then perhaps it is best you do not take part in public conversations. It is fine to bring out your opinions and your subjective view on things, but basing everything in your arguments on those alone is just being self-centered.

Hang on… So you actually want me to communicate to you what I think other people think? Erm… Yeh… I don’t think I need to clarify what’s wrong with that argument, now do I? ;)

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Problems in todays Kong

Originally posted by multifails:

By not being the main problem? Even the little part you commented on shows how self-centered and small minded your argument is; Simply because you think all games are black-and-white, either playable and enjoyable or beyond-repair does not make it so, nor does it make everyone else not want to be able to re-visit a game where the dev has updated a game the player deemed good enough to re-visit with some changes. YOU don’t have to if you don’t want to, that button would clearly not be for you.

Erm, I never claimed that if a game was not fun to play from the start, that it couldn’t be made such. I simply said that it shouldn’t have been released yet if it wasn’t really finished and that I wouldn’t bother visiting it again if it bothered me that much from the start. There are plenty of alternative options, there is no point hoping against hope a game becomes what you want it to become.

I also never claimed to be speaking for anyone but me. I said I disagreed with your post. You decided that bothered you enough to attack me personally instead of commenting on my opinion if you wanted to. I don’t think you’re going to find anyone anywhere that speaks for everyone and the chance of finding anyone that can always speak for the majority is slim to none.

If you’re only looking for people to give you general remarks that apply to everyone and not have any opinion of their own or can’t have an opinion that doesn’t coincide with your own, this thread is going to die a lonely death. ;)

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Problems in todays Kong

Originally posted by multifails:

Reading and understanding are two very different things, as we learned from your previous post. Also, your argument about rest of the post becoming meaningless is complete bullshit, as the proposals don’t use each other as a basis for the argument.

Why dont you take your own advice and stop talking about something you obviously dont want to talk about.

Oh boy, someone is having a temper tantrum… Anyway, if you insist on taking this thread off-topic, I’ll happily oblige. ^^

Do explain to me how a solution to a problem doesn’t use the problem as the basis for its argument. ;)

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Problems in todays Kong

Originally posted by multifails:

I see you didn’t bother to read the part where the player of the game would have to press a button next to the rating buttons to be reminded if he wanted to be. But hey, why bother reading when you can just skip to the part where you throw whatever superficial thoughts you have at the moment in the air. Also, you replied to “1)” yet you only talk about a part 1/5 in lenght of the actual “1)”.

I’m not going to even answer the rest of your post until you read mine with thought and reply with it as well.

Actually, I did read the entire thing, however, since if a dev fails to develop a game that’s properly working from the start, I’m not interested in revisting it. Once that becomes clear the rest of your post becomes meaningless, so there’s no point in replying to every single one of your proposed solutions. ;)

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Problems in todays Kong

Hmm, I disagree with all three of your points really.

1. If a game is as poorly made as to require such significant updates to make it enjoyable and/or playable, it simply shouldn’t have been released yet and revisiting is not one of the things I’d do, there are plenty of alternatives available. I’d definitely wouldn’t want to be reminded about it by some automated message.

2. Actually, a lot of these purchases are impulse purchases, people want their stuff and they want it now! Which is exactly why buying to speed up gameplay works as a fast buck for the devs and kong. People in general are brainless sheep, treating them as such without having them realise they’re being treated that way is the fastest way to make money. Long term monetisation of flash games is very very rare and it requires quite a lot of creative novelty to keep such a game interesting (not counting addictive effects on players or general boredom in life of players as a reason for people to stick around). It’s unrealistic to expect or assume most dev to take that route. If the producer or developer of the game wasn’t in it for the money, they wouldn’t have made a game that requires money in the first place…

3. I have not experienced any of this in any game I’ve played on Kong so far and I’ve played quite a few. :p

 
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Topic: Kongregate / How should Kongregate filter games?

bobby probably likes high information/pixel density. ^^

 
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Topic: Kongregate / Kongregate has surpassed 20 Million users today

Wrong… Title needs to be 2 million accounts to have any validity. Heck, if you ask me, of those 70k+ online playing ‘games’, probably less than 40% is actually playing a game, as in interacting with it actively… (unless you count idling, chatting, alt-ing, etc etc, as playing a game too… which would be twisting the truth imho)

 
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Topic: Technical Support / Log in

The most likely cause is your browser or some extension or the like blocking something required for that to show up.

I’ve had it happen in the past that I was only partially signed in, but that was a cookie issue and the sign in welcome div still appeared, even though it showed me as signed out while the rest showed me as signed in. If it’s not appearing at all, it’s most likely blocked.

Try a different clean browser and I’m sure it’ll turn up, or disable or uninstall anything that may affect website appearances in your current browser.
You can always try this page, but that won’t solve your missing profile bar problem. At least you may be able to sign in that way.