Recent posts by daexion on Kongregate

Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Dread Knight Idle??

It’s simply a matter of being able to get past level 270/280 consistently, whether you are using and idle, active or hybrid build.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Is using an Autoclicker cheating?

Originally posted by andyb112:

Depends how long you use it 24/7 cheating if not then it is not cheating.

Using a cheat for an hour or using a cheat for a day is still using a cheat. No one is saying you cannot use cheats, we are simply saying it IS a cheat.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Is using an Autoclicker cheating?

Originally posted by KristjanR:
Originally posted by JiffyJuff:
Originally posted by KristjanR:
Originally posted by daexion:
Originally posted by KristjanR:
Originally posted by JiffyJuff:
Originally posted by Cregan:

The game gives you a choice:
- Play active and click your mouse to death
- Play idle and be away from the game for some time

So either you spend time actively playing, and the game goes MUCH faster, or you afk and see your progress slow down.

Using an autoclicker bypasses that choice: you can be afk, yet reap all the benefits of an active player. In my opinion, that’s a cheat.

Sorry, but I enjoy using my computer for other purposes, thank you. Perhaps you don’t spend as much time working with computers as me, but I’m sure that normal people don’t leave their computer running on an autoclicker 24/7 doing nothing but wasting electricity to fuel a pointless game.

Basically wouldnt you even need to hold you computer logged in if you made a bot that accesses Kongregate and this game from an remote website on the internet and performs autoclicking to emulate you being on your computer…? Its not an encouragement, because I am pretty shure your acount gets deleted if you’d try that… :S

Originally posted by KristjanR:

Reply to JiffyJuff
The bot is going to run on the server, because the website is not cited on hot air you know… or how do you explain some MMO players having high stat accounts while working from 8-17? Thanks for the reply :)

That’s not even possible for this game.

I’m not sure what you are asking about people who play MMOs with high level characters. Is that a rhetorical question? Are you trying to imply something about them? Please elaborate on what you are trying to say about them.

Sorry about that… :S My intent was not to insult anybody, tryed to give my opinion… If I just could take back time… :S :$

No, I’m simply saying I don’t understand your meaning.

Its kinda rhetorical… or atleast having knoledge of the games walkthroughs of some sort. How do you advanse your stats when you have only 45 minutes to 1h to spare in an MMO? Maybe I’m just yealous of others glory, that can be too… I cant play MMOs so often anymore I like to… :S

If it’s “kinda rhetorical” what are you attempting to imply? Or are you trying to say you have no idea what you are talking about?

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Is using an Autoclicker cheating?

Originally posted by sword_raven:

For people saying that calculators aren’t cheating, but autoclickers are.

When I played CH calculators was basically autoclickers for me, I view them as cheating more than autoclickers. For me this is a game was about calculating what was best. An autoclicker just clicks for you, if you view sitting down watching a screen for hours and clicking, as some sort of great achievement that needs to be rewarded, and that using something to bypass that is cheating. While you yourself are bypassing the calculations (skill) part of the game, and feel like its not related. That is your problem not mine.

Did I care that other players were using calculators when I played? Nope not one bit. So I don’t really get the idea against autoclickers. Specially not when the game has obvious support for it, a clicker build is simply not very viable without an autoclicker. Idle will beat it every time, simply because of the effort/gain ratio.

The game has no built-in support for auto-clickers.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Is using an Autoclicker cheating?

Originally posted by Amak1131:
Originally posted by JiffyJuff:
Originally posted by KristjanR:

Reply to JiffyJuff
The bot is going to run on the server, because the website is not cited on hot air you know… or how do you explain some MMO players having high stat accounts while working from 8-17? Thanks for the reply :)

Clicker Heroes does not have a server, and even if it had on, running a bot on it would mean hacking into it and inserting code, which is probably highly illegal and will get you arrested.

Because I’m suuuuureeeee cops would waste time on someone using a bot in a game so long as they don’t make a profit.

He was responding to someone who’s tactic for running a bot was to run one on the server which would, likely, require hacking into the server which is a computer related crime and falls, so they would probably call the cops. Maybe the FBI would get involved. Who knows. Point is, hacking someone’s server without permission is illegal. Might take a while to catch the person who did simply because they might be in another country.

Originally posted by Cregan:
Originally posted by JiffyJuff:
Originally posted by KristjanR:

Reply to JiffyJuff
The bot is going to run on the server, because the website is not cited on hot air you know… or how do you explain some MMO players having high stat accounts while working from 8-17? Thanks for the reply :)

Clicker Heroes does not have a server, and even if it had on, running a bot on it would mean hacking into it and inserting code, which is probably highly illegal and will get you arrested.

Which side or you on? First you don’t agree with my post saying I consider it cheating, now you are comparing bot use to hacking.

He isn’t comparing bot use to hacking. He’s comparing running a bot on a server hacking due to how one would accomplish it.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Is using an Autoclicker cheating?

Originally posted by ECGprophet:

I use an autoclicker strictly for leveling heros while im afk do you guys still count that as cheating since i have an idle build i dont click the monsters

Any game automation via third party software/hardware is a cheat. I’m not saying you cannot use them, I’m simply stating what they are.

Originally posted by Xanthus179:

I happily use one such program. I used to use it for this game as well, until I got to the point where I do far more damage, and earn more money without using it. In fact, when I did use it, it was normally along with using all the powers at once. Doing this, it feels as thought the game gets bogged down, and then you have to deal with the system trying to catch up. It really becomes annoying at that point, waiting for the ability to click on anything.

Now, a game such as Adventure Capitalist, up until yesterday, I believe, you had to click on each upgrade to buy them, but they they just added a “Buy All” button. It is way better, than using a clicker.

As for if we want to define the use of a clicker as “cheating,” then I would say that you could consider it cheating if there was a point to the game. These are idle games. They have no point, other than to keep trying to break that next barrier, hit another level, and so forth. I consider it a utility, just the same way as people use mods for WoW or other MMOs. A utility is there purely to assist as a tool, to help with the tedium. They don’t give you an edge over anyone, and these are certainly nothing to get angry about.

There is a difference between UI mods in WoW and third party software that plays the game for you. One is built into the game with restrictions based on the API Blizzard modifies as needed to limit/expand what the players can do with it and the other isn’t built into the game and plays the game so the person doesn’t have to do anything. Even if you limit yourself to “I only do X with it when I’m off doing something else” doesn’t change what it is.

“They have no point, other than” means they do have a point. Listing points/goals achievable in the game contradicts the claim there is no point to the game. In this game the point is to beat higher and higher zones. If there was no point to the game, at all, why even bother with the game?

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Is using an Autoclicker cheating?

Originally posted by KristjanR:
Originally posted by JiffyJuff:
Originally posted by Cregan:

The game gives you a choice:
- Play active and click your mouse to death
- Play idle and be away from the game for some time

So either you spend time actively playing, and the game goes MUCH faster, or you afk and see your progress slow down.

Using an autoclicker bypasses that choice: you can be afk, yet reap all the benefits of an active player. In my opinion, that’s a cheat.

Sorry, but I enjoy using my computer for other purposes, thank you. Perhaps you don’t spend as much time working with computers as me, but I’m sure that normal people don’t leave their computer running on an autoclicker 24/7 doing nothing but wasting electricity to fuel a pointless game.

Basically wouldnt you even need to hold you computer logged in if you made a bot that accesses Kongregate and this game from an remote website on the internet and performs autoclicking to emulate you being on your computer…? Its not an encouragement, because I am pretty shure your acount gets deleted if you’d try that… :S

Originally posted by KristjanR:

Reply to JiffyJuff
The bot is going to run on the server, because the website is not cited on hot air you know… or how do you explain some MMO players having high stat accounts while working from 8-17? Thanks for the reply :)

That’s not even possible for this game.

I’m not sure what you are asking about people who play MMOs with high level characters. Is that a rhetorical question? Are you trying to imply something about them? Please elaborate on what you are trying to say about them.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Morg

Originally posted by tienyuen:

why waste souls in morg when you have solomon

Because Morg increases the DPS boost you get from each HS you aren’t going to spend on other Ancients, and Solomon doesn’t. You can still put HS into Solomon, and then feed any you weren’t going to spend on Ancients to Morg, after all.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Dread knight.

Originally posted by MrMortimer:

Can you get the hero after him without hiring Dread Knight? How much is he/she?

Yes, but unless you are really far into the game that isn’t likely to happen because Atlas’s hiring cost is 1e55 before any reductions by Dogcog.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Dread knight.

By getting to a high enough level to hire him which won’t be until past 260. I usually hire him around 280 when his price tag is easier to pay for.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Time World / Update

Originally posted by Gremmerz:
Originally posted by daexion:
Originally posted by MrJ17:

Implying playmage will actually take his time to check who cheats. Or better yet, implying he will take any action unless a lot of pressure is put into him.

Playmage DOES NOT READ REPORTS AND PRIVATE MESSAGES. Is it clear now? If people do not complain in threads then Playmage DOES NOTHING, only openly visible pressure succeeded and even that just barely reaches him after a long time because he is so careless and only fears new players will learn how badly he treats his playerbase, or in other words he only cares for his wallet and new players not staying with the game to generate him profit.

Are you sure it was the whining and ranting on the forums that worked or did that just coincide with whatever actions they took?

 
Flag Post

Topic: Off-topic / Gamestop registration to sign into Kongregate

Originally posted by Aleazor:

Fronebular,
If you don’t have anything to hide, why are you so threatened by this topic?
I didn’t exactly drop a bomb here. It’s a simple suggestion.
ID verification curbs inappropriate behavior.
That’s a good thing right?

That isn’t actually true. The truth is nothing can really stop or prevent inappropriate behavior from happening. All you can realistically do is have a system of consequences for when someone does something inappropriate: bans, suspensions, mutes, account limitations etc.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Off-topic / Gamestop registration to sign into Kongregate

Originally posted by Aleazor:
Originally posted by dias17se:

Aleazor you completely lost it. Are you even serious about identity verification ?

Do you like it when a shitpost thread hangs on the front page because half the people posting in it are the same person?

Do you like it when random accounts flood this forum and spam it with inappropriate material that could be exposed to kids?

Do you like it when people personally attack you with no way to hold them accountable?

All this can be curbed with identity verification.

Problem 1 : “Flag post”
Problem 2 : “Flag post”
Problem 3 : “Flag post”

I don’t see the need to treat the Kongregate login like accessing your bank account at the teller when the only reason is because of forums that are moderated and have a way for users to bring posts to the moderator’s attention.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Time World / Update

Originally posted by MrJ17:

Implying playmage will actually take his time to check who cheats. Or better yet, implying he will take any action unless a lot of pressure is put into him.

If you’ve played this before, then you likely remember just how annoyingly hard it is to communicate Playmage. Over time, we learned how to deal to deal with him, sadly it does involve shock treatment. I did react bad at first, but I guess we can’t just let them play as they see fit, eh? The accusations turned out to be, quite literally, admitted, and nothing was done, with people literally yelling at him from all sides. Imagine if we were just quietly reporting and PMing.

The forums would be better off without the threads. The threads are more akin to lynch mobs as opposed to a rational attempt to get Playmage to do anything.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Time World / Update

Originally posted by nvillian:
Originally posted by daexion:
Originally posted by AlbertoV05:

Talking about cheaters is derailing the subject of the forum? If I were to start a thread congratulation people who don’t cheat and saying they deserve a massive reward….that would be on topic? See…you can’t have it both ways.

Threads complaining about cheaters tend to end in flame wars of one sort or another. Threads accusing players of cheating are considered harassment. Threads revolving around not cheating are likely to devolve into being about cheaters. It’s best to not post about cheating or not cheating for any reason on the forums, period, and such threads should be locked, in my opinion.

Your “opinion” is the worst ever in history

I seem to have hit a nerve.

That is simply my opinion. Neither the worst nor the best in the history of anything regardless of what you might want to believe.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Time World / Update

Originally posted by AlbertoV05:

Talking about cheaters is derailing the subject of the forum? If I were to start a thread congratulation people who don’t cheat and saying they deserve a massive reward….that would be on topic? See…you can’t have it both ways.

Threads complaining about cheaters tend to end in flame wars of one sort or another. Threads accusing players of cheating are considered harassment. Threads revolving around not cheating are likely to devolve into being about cheaters. It’s best to not post about cheating or not cheating for any reason on the forums, period, and such threads should be locked, in my opinion.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Is using an Autoclicker cheating?

Originally posted by weezyfosheezy:

It is not cheating at a certain point. Got 10m HS gained and decided to go away instead of using one, but no progress occurs after some point without one.

Unless this game gets an update to allow for progress to not stop completely there is a built in point where it seems your supposed to use one. Having started this game 67 days ago it is easy to assume non-aesthetic updates wont come since I’ve never seen an update like that before. At least from 1 person’s viewpoint

There is no built-in point in which you’re supposed to start using third-party programs to play the game for you. If something is a cheat at one point, then it is always a cheat regardless of when you decide to start using it.

If you get to a point in which progress stops almost completely regardless of what you do, maybe stop playing the game as you’ve essentially beaten it, for all intents and purposes.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / What is up with no auto advance?

Originally posted by PaleRaven:

I went to check in, and found myself back at level one (save completely gone from being in the level 300’s with 600 saved ascension levels), but now my auto advance is missing. Now I have to auto click each level to advance. Is this a bug?

No, before you get to level 100 the first time there is no progression mode available.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Hero souls or morgulis

Originally posted by Orakio:

He’s just a bank with a little bonus. Once you account for his summon cost, he’s less than 10% boost. Even less if you buy him early and don’t level him enough as you buy more ancients, since he increases the cost of your last ancient.

Once you’re done buying all your ancients, it’ll take millions of HS to get him back up over a 9% bonus, but he’s never worth more than 9.9999% no matter how many you spend.

He’s worth exactly 10% when you hit the break even point. Doesn’t matter what the point is, but the fact is he will hit that point eventually. Without Morgulis you will never break even on the HS you spend on Ancients.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Is using an Autoclicker cheating?

Originally posted by BigOhStudios:
Originally posted by daexion:
Originally posted by BigOhStudios:

The developers quite obviously built in support for auto-clickers into the game. I don’t think there’s any moral issue with using one. I choose not to, but that’s because I don’t want to leave my computer on all night.

What built-in support?

Many games can “support” third-party bots, but bots are still considered cheating.

Juggernaut. I see no other sane explanation, unless the developers hate everyone that plays this game. To give an ancient whose bonus isn’t manifest until you’ve clicked 10,000 times makes no sense to me unless they were being cheeky. And the whole game speaks cheekiness to me.

I suppose that they might be working for Logitech or something. That’s a possibility I hadn’t considered until just now.

Devs have to take cheats the players use into account when trying to balance the game. They cannot stop players from using cheats, so they have to assume enough players will such that additions like Juggernaut are nerfed before being introduced while still being developed. So, Juggernaut isn’t actually designed to support auto-clickers, but it is designed to minimize the effect of auto-clickers+Juggernaut until several thousand clicks have been made. If they made it so auto-clicker bots couldn’t break Juggernaut at all then Juggernaut would be completely pointless for anyone to use which they couldn’t do, realistically.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Progression Mode not working when I close browser

Progression mode only works when the game is actually running. If the game is not running you only get gold for the highest level you’ve gotten to. The reason for this is the game compares timestamps from when the game was closed last and when the game was opened and gives you average gold/second for the highest level you’ve unlocked for that run.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / [To Devs] Can I get my gilds back?

Originally posted by SingleStar:

Number two, while there is a save button, it’s not totally obvious. I have no reason to expect the cookie save would be gone.

Number three, offering good customer service is a simple way to assure customer loyalty.

The save button in the options menu is totally obvious.

Because the game data is saved locally on your computer there is nothing they can actually do about your game, but you can do something if you really want to have those particular heroes gilded….start a new game and edit the save to get them back.

In the future, save your game manually as you will avoid these types of problems, for the most part.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Is using an Autoclicker cheating?

Originally posted by BigOhStudios:

The developers quite obviously built in support for auto-clickers into the game. I don’t think there’s any moral issue with using one. I choose not to, but that’s because I don’t want to leave my computer on all night.

What built-in support?

Many games can “support” third-party bots, but bots are still considered cheating.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / Hero souls or morgulis

Originally posted by antigonos:

is it better to save hero souls or spend them on morgulis the both seem to do the same thing

Usually better to save them unless you have thousands (maybe hundreds or even thousands of thousands) of Hero Souls collecting dust to feed to Morgulis, at which point he might let you start to get back to breaking even on what you’ve already spent on hero souls. For Morgulis to be useful you have to be able to feed him 10 hero souls for each one you spend or have spent, basically. Morgie is always hungry for more souls.

 
Flag Post

Topic: Clicker Heroes / How long have some of you been playing?

Originally posted by gio1991:
Originally posted by MichaelM1656:

I am 113 days, Level 1900 roughly, hvent tried to push beyond that level for a few days though. Been harvesting souls. Have 600K roughly. I am interested in how high do you level up Siyalatas. i am on 1000 presently however, it seems the cost of souls versus the gain in DPS means I am better keeping the HS. thoughts?

Your Kong account isnt even a month old.

They were probably playing the game on another site before this, like on Armor Games.