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Topic: Off-topic / List 20 Of the Best Games Ever

smash bros

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / A Hard Concept To Grasp

I don’t anything is entirely un-sentient. If the matter that composes us produces sentience of a particular sort, why wouldn’t matter composed in different arrangements produce different sorts of sentience? It would be very unlike the experience that we have, but I think it would be experience nonetheless

 
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Topic: Off-topic / I Went Ninja On This Asshole At School

yea, the spinning back kick is def my favorite method for dealing with bullies

 
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Topic: Off-topic / opinions on this picture

fucking SICK bro

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Quote Discussion, Current quote: “Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm.”

I’d say it’s certainly a goal. The way I see it it’s the only thing at all with any objectively positive value, and so the only thing that makes sense to even be a goal. Everything else is only evaluated as good or bad to the extent that it generates happiness/suffering. Why is being nice good? Because it makes people happy! Clearly others’ happiness has to be taken into account along with the happiness of oneself, but I still don’t see why it isn’t the ultimate goal.

I think the motivation behind her quote was about trying to stop people from focusing on “why am I not happy,” “I want to be happy,” etc. and start focusing on their real life and what’s actually going on now…which is the best way to be happy. So basically if you are “obsessed” with the idea of happiness and dwell on it all the time, you likely will not be happy, but on the other hand, I think it’s a little excessive to claim that it’s not a goal at all. One just has to take a more balanced approach in achieving the goal…

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Are you like this face-to-face?

This sort of aggressive behavior occurs in people on all sides of all arguments on the internet, not just atheists. So why stress atheism in your post? I feel like your question is more of a jab at a particular group than it is a genuine interest in whether or not people act the same in real life as they do on the internet (the answer: no, they don’t).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Debate: Is Human Nature Inherently Good Or Evil?

Well, both. But the evil lies primarily in conditioning that occurs to the mind (although the mind’s inherent “ability to be conditioned” is what allows this), whereas I believe the good is more inherent (i.e. get rid of conditioning and you are left with goodness).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Chicken or egg

Egg. The change in genetics occurs with each egg that is laid, so whatever was the first animal with “chicken” genes began in its egg. The genes don’t change anymore after the egg is laid.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Amanda Todd

Everything happens as a result of some cause or another… she was the person she was because of her genetics, upbringing, society, etc. This doesn’t make her any less worthy of sympathy than someone who lost their life due to a slightly more ‘external’ cause.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Are viruses and fire considered living things?

This is just a definitional question—the answer simply depends on your idea of what the word “life” means. So if you want an answer to the question you have to provide a definition of “life” that we can decide based on.

But one way or the other, our understanding of “viruses” will still be exactly the same, and they will have all the qualities that they had prior to us answering the question; we will simply categorize them differently.

 
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Topic: Off-topic / a quote for life?

“It is better to travel well than to arrive.”
-Buddha

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Morals.

I don’t see why morality can’t be objective without God. Consciousness and experience is objectively, ontologically real—the most certainly real thing that there is—and the experience of happiness is inherently good. Thus, a moral system oriented around happiness would seem to be objective. Simply because happiness is a “subjective” (i.e. internal) phenomenon doesn’t mean that it cannot be quantified and accounted for in a single system. I suppose you could call it “objectively subjective,” but it wouldn’t be relative, per se (meaning that one can still have an ‘incorrect’ view on morality; everyone’s views are not equally valid).

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Morals.

You did not use the definition:
Right = benefits the greater good

You used, and I quote you here:
Right = intending to benefit sentient beings.

I meant “sentient beings” as the whole of all of them, and thus benefitting said whole would be the same as the “greater good.” I suppose my language could’ve been a little clearer though.

Also, to reiterate, it is the intention that is crucial. The motivation behind the actions. Just because something happens to benefit the greater good in some way doesn’t make it a moral action. After all, it is ultimately impossible to accurately judge the final effect something has had on the greater good (chaos theory etc.). We can only make the best judgment we can.

Punching someone quite clearly causes much more suffering than having someone be a little hungry for a while.

That’s entirely your opinion. It’s quite easy to this argument around.

It’s certainly my opinion—as is everything else that I can ever communicate to anyone. All ‘knowledge’ is opinion, based on possibly fallible information and inferences. And from looking at the situation, my best judgement would be that punching someone and stealing their food to feed my slightly hungry girlfriend would be highly detrimental to the greater good, and thus it would not be something that would arise out of my compassionate intentions. Of course, if the particulars of the situation were different—perhaps my girlfriend was starving, we were unable to acquire food elsewhere, and the person was himself well fed but still unwilling to give it to her—then I very well might do such a thing.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Immortality: A blessing or a curse?

I think I’d enjoy it. I’d have plenty time to develop my mind to perfection, and everything after that would be easy.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Morals.

Originally posted by EPR89:
Originally posted by congregate5:

Right = intending to benefit sentient beings. Wrong = the opposite.

Imagine the following scenario:
Your girlfriend is hungry. You see someone coming out of a McDonald’s with a cheeseburger in his hand. You walk over there and knock him out. You take the burger and give it to your girlfriend.

Helped a sentient being. Knocked another one out in the process. Since only intentions count, this obviously was morally right, right?

How does this benefit the greater good? Punching someone quite clearly causes much more suffering than having someone be a little hungry for a while. One’s conceptualization of the world would have to be pretty seriously fucked if their compassion expressed itself in that manner. But regardless, as long as your actions are motivated by genuine compassion they are moral, as you are making the best decision you can. Maybe it doesn’t work out, like a doctor who performs an emergency surgery and makes a mistake resulting in the patient’s death, but it was motivated by compassion and thus is moral.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Morals.

Right = intending to benefit sentient beings. Wrong = the opposite. The intention itself is the only thing of importance when it comes to morality; the resultant actions are based on specific information and reasoning which can be fallible due to luck etc.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What do you think that happens after death?

It will simply be a swirl of ever changing experience with no notion of self, past, or future. The experience that occurs will also be of a very different sort than the sort of experience that is happening now.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Do you think eating other people is morally wrong?

There’s nothing inherently wrong about it. It’s all situational. If, for instance, you are starving and the only thing to eat is a dead body, it’s common sense just to go ahead and eat it.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Moral philosophy?

I would say that the closest thing to an objective moral code is simply acting with the intention of bringing about the greatest benefit for the greatest number of people. I believe happiness itself is an objective good, and therefore it would seem to follow that actions that aim to increase it are moral, and those that aim to decrease it are immoral.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / What is happiness?

Happiness is simply positive subjective feelings and states, from simple physical pleasure to mental bliss to states such as the flow state.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Infinite question

^ Xeno’s paradoxes.

Also I don’t know much about it, but in mathematics there are actually infinities of different sizes. The number of real numbers, for instance, is greater than the number of integers, despite the fact that they are both infinite in the general sense of the word.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why not suicide?

^ Just because things are determined doesn’t mean we don’t influence our own path. The brain itself is part of what determines what happens to the brain in the future, and our consciousness arises from that brain. So striving to change oneself is the equivalent of the brain altering itself in order to form a state that equates to greater happiness. As a consciousness yourself, you have choice. The choosing process itself just happens to be determined as well. Determinism is an interesting philosophical idea, but it has few practical implications.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why not suicide?

Well, there is no such thing as an ‘objective’ or ‘inherent’ purpose, since the idea of purpose itself is dependent on some sort of sentient being that is directing something towards a goal. So saying there is no purpose would be like saying there is no goal worth striving towards—that there is nothing that is truly valuable to us in any way. But here I would disagree. The subjective experience of happiness is undeniably good—it is ‘goodness’ itself, the only thing with any real value. The fact that you will eventually die isn’t significant—isn’t 50+ years of enjoyment and happiness better than none? Isn’t a single moment of happiness better than none? So ultimately the only goal worth working towards is that of living your life in a manner that best makes yourself and others happy.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why do you care if people are religious?

They can keep it out of Government policy and it’s all fine right?

Religion has a significant impact on the outlook of the person in question, which unquestionably influences their voting whether or not the laws in question are explicitly related to religion.

 
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Topic: Serious Discussion / Why do you care if people are religious?

Because I live in the same society as they do. I would rather that governmental policy not be influenced by irrational beliefs.