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Just wanted to point out that I don’t think this is an either/or situation between the ACA and the status quo.
I would LOVE to see amendments enacted that clean this up.

That being said, it’s the first time in a LONG time that the problem has even been addressed.

Is it perfect? Not by a long shot.
Does it need (obviously) a lot of work? Yup.

That’s about all I’ve got at the moment.
I’m not defending the Dems, except to day that caving to a bunch of fucking ideological terrorists would have been the wrong move.
The push to delay enactment wasn’t for the good of the nation.
It was an attempt to defund the bill through the back door.
Don’t come off all high and mighty that Cruz and Co. were out to save us all; they were trying to obstruct to the point of defeat, in the same circular cycle of bullshit they’ve had going since their inception.

  • Claim government doesn’t work.
  • Actively obstruct function of government.
  • Point at obstructed, ineffective government as “proof” that government doesn’t work.

It’s self-fulfilling nonsense.

Is the rollout a train wreck? Again, yes. I completely agree that it’s unacceptable how fucked this is.
It’s also a big problem that information wasn’t clear ahead of time, regarding pricing and coverage.
No argument there.

But we need something, and this is currently the only option.

 
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When I searched for “doctors quitting because of ACA” one of the leading hits, routed through a couple different sites, was a politifact article from last summer.

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I’d like to see where you’re getting the info that all of these doctors are leaving.
I’d also like to see (and it may not exist yet) a comparison of mean insurance premiums vs coverage, before and after implementation of the ACA.

The fact is, the ACA changes the health insurance industry in a pretty fundamental way.
And Obama definitely overreached quite a bit when he stated that you will be able to keep whatever plan you have.
He failed to mention that if those plans didn’t meet minimum federal requirements (because of things like lack of coverage, loopholes, ability of the insurer to drop coverage when a catastrophic illness presented, etc).

And yeah, it’s a fucking mess right now.
But implementation of something like this is going to be messy. Does that mean everything’s all right? Maybe not.
But it’s reality.

As to the GOP House; if they don’t like the plan, they need to draft legislation that changes it, and work with the Senate to compromise and get something workable down.
You know…legislation? Their job? That thing they get paid to do?
Instead, they threatened the economic security of the nation as a whole during a juvenile temper tantrum.

And before someone chimes in with that old “The Dems in the Senate wouldn’t even compromise OMG!” chestnut, let me point out that “compromise” doesn’t mean “bend over and accept every irrational, bullshit nonsensical request that’s on the table”.
If you really think “compromise” is completely undoing something because a small faction of rabid assholes want it, you’re way, way off base.

Finally, if you think that everything should just stay exactly like it was, what with our shit coverage, insurance companies ability to drop you when you need them most, and highest percentage of GDP spent on less coverage and less effective medical care…
I don’t even know what to say to you. You’re not thinking rationally.

 
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I sure can’t wait to go through this again in January!!!!!!!

It’s gonna be AWESOME right?!

le sigh

 
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Welp, the can has been kicked it seems.

“Today’s legislation won’t help us reduce our fast-growing debt,‘’ Mr. Ryan said after the vote. "In my judgment, this isn’t a breakthrough. We’re just kicking the can down the road.’’

LOL except the national deficit has been shrinking since 2009. SOURCE
So, yeah, can kicked, and Paul Ryan is still a fucking liar. Awesome.

 
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You really need to retire this talking point.

OK, I’ll leave that one be then.
Can we agree that claiming to be a group of “fiscal conservatives”, and then proceeding to stomp all over the government like a drunk elephant, isn’t exactly the way one should govern with the economy in mind?

The fact that you say the Koch Brothers entirely fund the Tea Party is both A) wrong and B) ignores the millions of small donors that gave to Tea Party groups and candidates.

First, I never claimed that the Kochs are somehow the sole source of funding for the Tea Party.
I cite them as an example because they’re pretty much the model for what’s wrong with political funding in the US.
They funnel literally billions of dollars to extremist groups, media campaigns, pseudo science…all with the goal of keeping the voting populace ignorant and focused on front issues while the real work of deregulation and loosening of rules governing big business takes place in the Congressional back rooms.

Further, if you compare the volume of money people like the Kochs have put in, vs that of individual contributors, there’s really no contest.

Do you honestly think this is going to last for two months?

It’s not so much the idea that this will actually carry through to a full default, as the knowledge that people like jhco think it wouldn’t matter if it did.
This is just stunningly flippant. I mean, really…the lack of understanding of what a default could do to us economically. It’s scary.

Again, focus your argument towards that devastating effects it will have on markets and the economy in general. It’s not as sexy and probably not as politically effective at terrifying the public, but it’s actually accurate.

Sorry, guess I haven’t been clear. I was thinking of the markets and the US economy as a whole, in regards to the default.
If our credit gets downgraded again, the end effect on the economy is potentially very, very negative.
Is it a guarantee? Nope.
But markets being what they are, it’s also not something you want to test just to prove a point.

Certainly, although seeing as you pretty consistently refuse to blame the Democrats for anything, you shouldn’t be upset that you are perceived as a stalwart Democrat.

Again, I think you misunderstand me.
In THIS instance, I wholeheartedly blame the Right.
The TeaOP House started this current ball rolling, by refusing to deal with the budget/default without trying to wring something out of the Administration.
They attempted to use the budget/default as leverage to undo the ACA, which had already passed into law and been upheld by SCOTUS.
The House changed the rules shortly before the shutdown in order to prevent a break in their own ranks from bringing a “clean” bill to the floor for a vote, which suggests a premeditative move in the direction of a shutdown.
In THIS INSTANCE, I feel it is the Right, specifically the House GOP/Tea Party, that are to blame for the situation we’re in.

Suggestions that the Democrat-controlled Senate and the Presidency somehow should have done more to “negotiate” are asinine.
There was nothing to negotiate. The demands from the House were completely unreasonable, and without merit.

 
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Now, to your second post:
First, a quick note: anecdotal “evidence” is ANECDOTAL.

It isn’t just republicans who cater to the multinational businesses, democrats are knee deep in kickbacks as well. If you are a politician, you are taking money from these big corporations. Have you ever seen a poor politician?

No argument there. Simple solution: Get the money out of politics. Money ≠ free speech. Rulings like Citizens United need to be overturned, or at least amended so that they aren’t gate-openings to corporate money in the election process.

You grip about the 60’s, but we were all working and making a living. How many people can say that now?

Unions. Organized labor provided the framework needed for a strong middle class in the US.
Yes, they’ve stepped out of bounds over the years in some places, but a strong organized labor movement carries the clout needed to protect all workers, and provides a stable base from which to bargain for better compensation, fair compensation, for workers.
But oh no the unions are the devil shut em down bust em bust em!

Walmart stuff

I find it kind of ridiculous that you’re using Walmart as an example of how the gubment/Nobarmar is having a negative affect on business.
Walmart, the company that has kept a large amount (majority?) of its employees on food stamps for years.
Walmart, the company that has been running the small business you profess so much admiration for out of business for years.
Walmart, the company that has contributed to the wage slave conditions both here and abroad with no remorse for years.
THIS is your shining example?
Buddy, you need to rethink that.
Walmart has been screwing over its people for decades now. They’re not somehow under pressure because of regulations passed in the last 4 years. They’re using any opportunity they can to screw people some more, and they’re counting on the ignorance and lack of perspective you’re currently displaying to make it fly.

the rest of that paragraph

I’m going to go ahead and ask for a citation or two here.

  • Proof that doctors aren’t “accepting” the ACA? (I don’t even know what you mean here, actually, but sure, show me something.)
  • I’d like to know where you got your astonishingly low figure regarding PPACA enrollment.

It seems you can’t grasp the idea that our country is in trouble and the democrats are in charge. They cannot blame Bush and they cannot really blame the republicans. These are their policies we are living under.

It seems you can’t grasp the idea that the current slump in the nation started way, way before the current administration.
Arguably it has roots in a number of different Administrations over the years. Clinton, for sure. Reagan helped a lot. You could even trace the financial train wreck that the US has become back to the post-war era.
Really I blame folks like Milton Friedman. The view of capitalism as an ideal is flawed, always has been. And when you basically make up rules and observations in some sort of pseudo-science the way the Chicago School did, all you’re doing is building up your own fantasy world.
But here we are.
Granted, the more current Administrations haven’t been helping matters. GWB had two terms to let shit snowball and didn’t do a goddamned thing but dig us the biggest hole in US history (when you consider we were running a budget surplus when he took office), and Obama is in no way the socialist some non-informed voters think he is. He’s just as much in the corporate machine as GWB was (maybe more so, in some ways.)

But sure, keep claiming that all of the decades of setup for the shitshow we’re currently dealing with is somehow the black guy’s fault.
Why not.

As for BSG’s comments on working/making a living; he’s pointing out that, based purely on the numbers, there is so much more wealth and supply available than there are people, technically speaking everyone doesn’t need to make a living.
Technology has advanced so far that theoretically, a large percentage of the population could be supported by a minority, accomplishing the same tasks and meeting the same market and social goals.
We have the reverse, especially here in the states; the masses labor and the smallest minority reaps all the benefits.

But yeah, Murka. We’d rather slave away in ignorance and foolish pride than do something that’s good for us as a whole.
Because being selfish and stupid is lauded as “patriotic”.

 
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The Tea Party is a party in name only. They are an everyday people grassroots organization. They are American citizens who are tired of government corruption and tired of both parties in power.

…except your “grassroots organization” is funded and organized by billionaire corporatists like the Koch Brothers.

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The only reason you hate them is because they won’t accept your ideals at face value.

Actually, the reason I despise the Tea Party pols is because they seem to lack ideals altogether.
They don’t represent anyone but the corporate backers that have engineered the “groundswell” you are so proud of.
They rode into their seats on promises of fiscal responsibility, and proceeded to get the US its’ first credit downgrade.
As “fiscal” conservatives, Tea Party politicians have introduced more anti-abortion legislation than any other kind of law. Many of those laws actually cost the states more money. Fiscal conservancy? Not really.

Next paragraph…

Sure, the shutdown has been survivable thus far. I’m sure all of those “non-essential” employees are doing great. I’m sure the mortgage companies are all very, very understanding and perfectly willing to let those furloughed employees slide for a month or two, no problem!
Of course then there’s the federal debt ceiling. I don’t suppose you’re worried about that.
I don’t suppose you think it’s a big deal, letting the US default on its’ loans.
I don’t suppose you think any of this, shutdown or default, really has an impact on the health of the US economy.
Of course none of you do, apparently. SOURCE

And I suppose that’s a bit bothersome to me as well. You think that potentially sinking our economy, as flawed as it is, into more trouble is somehow fiscally responsible.
Your group is so far out of whack, and out of touch with reality, that you applaud the hostage situation in the House and laud these fucking idiots as “true patriots”, when in fact they have to potential to be responsible for the economic downfall of the nation you claim to love so much.

I’m going to point out AGAIN, since you don’t seem to understand me when I say it, jhco: I’m not a proponent of Obama’s Presidency.
I don’t see him as some golden child messiah who can do no wrong.
I find plenty of fault with the man and his policies, just like I found plenty of fault with his predecessor.
Just because I think what the TeaOP is doing in the House right now is a fucking stupid waste of time, not to mention a dangerous gamble with an economy that’s already fragile, doesn’t automatically mean I agree with the other party in play.

I’m allowed to have a more complex take on things than “I hate side B so I must love side A”.
Because Murka, I can do that here.

 
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A little update.
Seems Boehner and Co. were working to draft a (temporary) solution, but between their more conservative (read "Tea Party Whacko) members and outside groups, they gave up and went home for the night.

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The House GOP bill met powerful headwinds when the conservative political group Heritage Action on Tuesday evening announced its opposition and said votes on the measure would be included in the group’s influential ratings of lawmakers.

Working for the people?
Nope. Working scared of the purse keepers.

 
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Oh, and another little note for the “both sides it’s both sides it’s not just the GOP GAWD” crowd;
Tell me, then, why the Republicans changed the rules two weeks ago to make it nearly impossible for anyone to introduce the “clean” bill to the House floor for a vote.
Of course, that couldn’t have been a move aimed at just this situation, and one designed to prevent the issue from going to a vote (one the House GOP would very likely lose, since a lot of them aren’t the raving ignorant maniacs that Cruz and his ilk are).
Nope, no blatant obstruction and hostage-taking here, folks! Move along! Nothing to see! Blame the black guy!

 
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So, how’s everyone feel about the upcoming debt default?
Seeming more and more likely every day.
Hell, our credit got downgraded the last time we were anywhere close to a default. (Thanks again, Tea Party freshmen!)

So, I guess everyone in support of the current batch of nonsense thinks a national default will be just great, right?
I mean, there’s no way that could possibly go wrong!

 

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Tell me again, jhco, about the will of the people.

 
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PS: there was some discussion of why I seem dead set against the Right in this situation.
A big part of it is that the Tea Party faction currently crying like little bitches are working so hard at fulfilling their own prophecies.

LOOK OUT! Gubment is bad bad bad, and it just doesn’t work!”
/scumbag Tea Party
“WE’RE GONNA SHUT DOWN THE GUBMENT! SEE HOW WELL IT WORKS THEN!!!”

 
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What was that common thing I keep hearing lately…something about the Democrats not being willing to negotiate?

Right. Completely unwilling. All 19 times they tried.

 
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You didn’t look very hard as it popped right up.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/21720/fiscal-cliff-2013-obama-gives-the-least-productive-congress-in-history-a-raise

Ah, see? There’s that tricky little “context” thing I mentioned earlier.
He didn’t give Congress a raise, alone.
He gave all Federal employees, including Congress a raise. And not much of one, at that. Barely 1%.
So your tone is a bit off.

Oh, and also?
Your facts are a bit off.

Perhaps you should be reading current articles, instead of perusing 9 month old pseudo-news?

As for your second response…I’m not even going to bother.
“I’m old and a narrow-minded asshole, so whatever you say that’s different makes you a commie pinko queer!”
That’s pretty much how that came across.

You know what’s really funny about all of this? I think that the crux point here, the ACA and the GOP’s hostage taking because of it, has a lot of problems.
I don’t staunchly defend the Left, because in many ways they’re just as fucked up as the Right is, and just as likely to throw the nation under the bus to make a buck and satisfy corporate greed.

But I can’t abide the kind of temper tantrum bullshit the Right is pulling at the moment. It’s ludicrous.
And yet here are a bunch of no-info voters just gobbling it up as “patriotism” and “pride” and the like.
Jesus fucking christ…is that really what you think patriotism is? Obstruction? Fingers-in-the-ears cognitive dissonance?
That’s not patriotism. Patriotism is getting the fucking job done, and moving forward, despite political disagreements.
Patriotism is respecting the law of the land and working to change it within the framework of that law.

What’s happening on the Right at the moment is one step from terrorism. Throw in a couple of suicide bombers, and you’ve got basically the same style of mindset that the fucking Taliban operates with.

And since I already know pretty much what the response is going to be, let me reiterate:
I am NOT A LEFTIST. I agree with some of their social stance, yes.
Just as I agree with some financial stances on the Right, as well as the general tone regarding criminal justice.
So, feel free to blow me off as just another pinko liberal bla bla bla.
If it helps you not have to think about anything.

 
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No. If you can’t watch the news on TV yourself then you need to bury your head even deeper than it is now.

Actually, I Googled repeatedly trying to figure out just what the fuck you were rambling about THIS time, and I couldn’t narrow it down.
If you want to throw comments out with the rest of us, better start backing that with something akin to evidence.
PROTIP: Your barber Merle’s story about that one time he talked to his buddy about a thing his buddy read on the interwebz…that’s not evidence, skippy.

Wow, simple and to the point………..and I agree. You must be conservative.

Oh, it’s simple all right. Oh look, and you agree with it without thinking critically about it for even 10 seconds!
SHOCKER!

LOL keep being the perfect little GOP base poster boy, cap’n.
They’re counting on you to march to the Party drum without a moment’s hesitation.
Because they know you’re so scared of anything other than the status quo that you’ll rationalize all manner of ridiculous behavior as “patriotic” before you’ll look for one second at the farce the GOP/Right/Tea Party has become.

EDIT: added information, removed insults
Here, I did your homework for you.

YOUR NONSENSE CHAIN EMAIL SOURCE WAS BASED ON SATIRE

 
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Soooo, you’re not going to answer any of my questions about the payroll thing, jhco?
Ok.

 
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Wtf are you on about?

 
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This is how they try getting people angry and thinking the republicans are the bad guys. This is common practice with this administration, to make it as hard and disruptive to the populace as they can. Yet, they all got raises this year.

This is how they try getting people angry and thinking the republicans are the bad guys. This is common practice with this administration, to make it as hard and disruptive to the populace as they can. Yet, they all got raises this year.

  • Who is “they”?
  • How much of a raise did they get?
  • What was the scope of those raises? ie, strictly Executive? Congressional? Federal in general?

LOL I know. I’m just being a stupid lib, asking for documentation and context in order to concede your point.
MAN, what kind of soshulist pinko commie must I be? What with all the “show me the facts” and all!
Feel free to ignore this request just like you do all the rest, jhco.

 
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Damoiseau1894:
There’s nothing to compromise on.
The ACA is the law.
Blaming Democrats for “not even compromising” is just a lie.

 
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Not to mention this isn’t really a socialist model being implemented.
Sure, it has some elements of the society working as a whole…but the money still goes to the insurance companies.

But yeah, he doesn’t need no advice and talky-words from some damned ferner tellin’ him what to do!

 
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Seriously.
Your rebuttal is to link to a blog that chronicles a woman’s active and immoral manipulation of her children’s world view.

Wow. That’s…that’s something.

May I just point out the most obvious problem?
Your southern belle there…she was on Medicaid. She had both of her sons, according to her own post, on the taxpayer’s dime.
She’s like the fucking Ayn Rand of baby making.

 
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AHAHAAAHAHAHAHAH HOLY SHIT!!!!

THAT?! THAT is your rebuttal??!!?

LOOOOOOOOOOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 
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Only in the twisted bitter mind of someone like jhco can the current state of the GOP be considered “too moderate”.

jfc man, are you kidding?
The Right-wing lunatics have hijacked the GOP, that’s the whole reason that party is eating itself before our very eyes!

 
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beau, time was that that’s pretty much how the US budget process went.
Not so much the last few years.