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Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun Issues

And I believe YOU have lost all credibility as someone capable of discussing this issue rationally.

Any and all suggestions, no matter how reasonable, are dismissed.
You essentially just answer “BECUZ FREEDOM” to everything brought up, including the ongoing train of horrors that is children killed by firearms.

Your complete inflexibility is disgusting.

Many of us, myself included, are or were firearms owners.
And yet we don’t get all foamy when someone suggests that owning a firearm is a responsibility that needs some regulation, in order to keep people safe.

You roll out old chestnuts like the inaccurate “Well what about cars and knives huh?” analogies, and “It’s a TOOL”, which serve to further convince me that you simply do not care what happens to others, so long as you are allowed to feel “free”.

Meanwhile, you laud the likes of the NRA, a corporate front for the manufacturers that are gouging you at the register RIGHT NOW simply by feeding you some paranoid bullshit, knowing full well that you’ll swallow it down without hesitation.
Believing the propaganda and spending even more of your money to fatten the wallets of industry; that’s an interesting definition of “freedom” you’ve got there, old timer.

Before Newtown, Obama had done LITERALLY FUCKING NOTHING to curtail gun rights. He’d actually EXPANDED THEM in some areas, for fuck’s sake!
But OH NO NOBAMA COMIN FER MAH GUNZ!!!!

You’re a delusional moron. Kindly die and let the country move on in a more rational direction.

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Oh look everybody, it’s the “WELP there’s no magical way to fix EVERYTHING so might as well not bother trying!” guy!
He likes to show up every time anyone suggests any sort of improvement for the common good.

Dude, issendorf…I’m pretty sure you don’t think that there’s not lots of room for improvement.
I assume you’re just looking for “realistic” options.

How about mandatory training and licensing for all firearms purchasers?

You prove you’re not a fucking moron, and you can handle and own a weapon responsibly, and hey! You get to own a gun!

Obviously, people like jhco, who think any ignorant asshole should be allowed to endanger himself and his family BECAUSE FREEDOM, aren’t going to agree.
But in my mind, that’s likely the same kind of dumbfuck that let’s his kids get their hands on a loaded firearm while he’s not looking.

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Yup.
Nothing has been working well so far.
Why change anything?
God knows we wouldn’t want to sacrifice the sensibilities of the “true patriots” out there.
LOL

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Just another responsible gun owner.

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Way to be a nationalist, jhco.

Hitler would approve.

Hrmm…maybe Goebbles, actually. Hitler was just a friggin psycho. Goebbels depended on closed-minded nationalist assholes to swallow his propaganda and keep the Nazi Party marching ever forward.
Goebbles would love you!

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I like the semi-apocalyptic predictions that jhco throws out about political futures and such.
Like how “the people” were so sick of Obama, there was just no way he would be reelected.

Oh, wait…

To the point at hand, if the businesses in question feel the need to move their operations to a different state, so be it.
They have the right to do that.
They also have the right to spend a metric shit-ton of money during the process on new facilities, re-tooling, likely a lot of re-staffing (and training), etc.
They know that they’ll likely make that money back, as the federal government is so deep in the pockets of business and the NRA, the likelihood of any meaningful legislation being passed is roughly slim to none.

In the mean time, flagfuckin morons like jhco eat this shit up, and continue to pay through the nose for weapons and ammunition costs driven up by an industry-generated paranoia, whilst crying tears of ignorant joy as the NRA and its sound-bite generation macine spew forth quote after quote of ludicrous nonsense.

LOL, you are so scared of a problem that doesn’t exist, and you’re so eager to eat straight out of the hand of whatever profiteer comes along and says “FREEDOMY FREEDOM!!!” enough times.
It’s ridiculous.

Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun Issues

Actually, to an extent, I’m saying what that third person above mentioned;
If you’re so mired in a bereft culture that you don’t except history despite all of the facts, maybe leading a modern legal and lobbying organization isn’t the job for you.

But hey, I suppose we could just let the lunatics run the asylum.

Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun Issues

Ha, yeah, my bad guys.
Posted the link after a quick read, then realized it was a less-than-credible “source” :D
Deleted it as soon as I figured it out, but not before one of you saw it. Oops!

On the flip side, it is documented that this guy still refers to the Civil War as the “War of Northern Aggression”, so there’s that bit of nonsense in reality. :|

Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun Issues

jhco
I saw a lot of numbers in your post.
I didn’t see a single backing source.
And you’re chiding me about “imaginary” and “made-up” numbers?

Further, the one source you half-claimed to have, internal polling from the NRA…are you that out of it that you think an internal poll by an organization that does nothing but lobby against gun control and legal action is at all comparable to a vetted media source?
Honestly.
You’re being a bit ridiculous.

Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun Issues

It is no secret where they spend their money, after all they are in the business of firearms politics. And don’t give anti-gun group links. They are who we are fighting most of the time. They are our opposite. I’m sure the manufacturers donate money to the NRA, it only stands to reason. However, most of their money comes from member dues and donations.

Except it wasn’t just “anti-gun” groups that supported the expansion of background checks for gun sales.
Depending on the poll, it was anywhere from 70%-90% of those surveyed, including gun owners and NRA members.

The problem here is that the NRA used its money and influence to lobby against the will of the people.

You talk about “tyranny” an awful lot, but when confronted with the tyranny of corporate money in politics, just handwave and ignore the facts.

Once again, that was a bill that UP TO 90% of the US population (based on polling) was in favor of.
But the NRA and lobbyists shut it down.

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Last time I checked, you couldn’t kill multiple individuals in rapid succession with a movie, or a copyright lawsuit (valid or not).

But please, continue to use this horribly flawed analogy. Run it straight into the ground.
Oh, and don’t bother disputing the fact that the NRA has become nothing more than a once-removed lobbying arm for firearm and ammunition manufacturers.
Or that the paranoia that the NRA helps to foment is more responsible than any other single factor for the current cost and scarcity of firearms and ammo.

Don’t bother responding to the figures presented, just make a completely irrelevant comment about an unrelated subject.
Good work.

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Sigh….why do you think it has to do with corporate money? Couldn’t be because sometimes politicians do the right thing? And why would corporations feel the need to pay off politicians on this subject anyway? We in the gun community have butted heads with them form time to time. I will say this about Obama…he is the greatest gun salesman in the history of our country.

Gee. I dunno.
Guess I was just imagining things, somehow got the crazy idea that around half of the NRA’s funding comes from firearms manufacturers.

Oh, wait. It does.

So, the NRA receives large sums of donations from its “Golden Ring of Freedom” (seriously, that’s the flag-fucking propaganda name they’ve given their corporate fundraising program) members, like Beretta, Ruger, Springfield Armory, etc.
Then, that money goes…where? Where does that money go, do you think? Hmm. It couldn’t possibly go toward swaying Federal policy, could it?

Oh, wait. It does.

Tell me again how the NRA isn’t a shill for the gun industry, and how Congress isn’t bowing to that industry?

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…what are you basing your statements on?
“Set up”?
How so?

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You’d be discouraged too, after Congress had blatantly shit on what you wanted, and backed the corporate money.

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Can someone please get all foamy about the UN charter on international arms control that was passed?
Please?!

I love it when strict “Constitutional” experts can’t tell the difference between international treaties and domestic law.
LOL NOBARMAR UN COMIN FER R GUNZZ!!!!

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Hey jhco, care to cite some valid sources telling us that crime is on the rise, as a result of the worsening economic crisis?
Please? Pretty please?

Come on, tell me where you read about that.
LOL

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Don’t supposed the infant getting shot in the face got mentioned in here, or that if there were less guns, less easily accessible, it might have been prevented?

No?

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complete and utter nonsense JAMA is counting justified homicides as well. Of course in states with less restrictive gun laws where people can and do use firearms for self defense you will find more firearm fatalities its the general thing you do when someone is trying to murder you……you shoot them nice try thou. you find me a study that shows I am actually safer when I dont have a gun then you can have my agreement.

pretty sure its not darkninja’s job to be his errand boy I merely pointed out why his craptastic study was dismissible now if he wants to add to it thats fine with me. I gave him a goal if he wishes to change my opinion as well do you even have the open mindedness to change your opinion on this issue?

You made the statement. It’s therefore your job to back it up.

I’m not saying the JAMA report is right or wrong, I’m just saying this bit of sarcasm protecting the allegedly impartial has been shown to be a poor decision time and time again.

Fair enough. Maybe the sarcasm was unwarranted.
I do feel, though, that there is an attitude of distrust towards sources for no reason.
The entire political Right (at least the audible punditry) has been nurturing this feeling for some time now.

Just look at the above response; That study is crap. I don’t have to prove it, because it just is.
Kinda what a lot of arguments boil down to these days, it seems.

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[SARCASM REDACTED]

PS: As far as the JAMA study counting “justified” homicides, I’m sure they did. I didn’t read any part of that which stated “self-defense” shootings were not included.
What’s your point?
That doesn’t contradict the idea that MORE GUNS = MORE DEATHS FROM GUNS.
Of course admitting that has, somehow, become the ultimate evil in the minds of those that think any regulation is somehow infringing their rights.
Because extremism can’t allow logic and reason to undermine its flawed underpinnings.

Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun Issues

Originally posted by jhco50:

Oh come on Softest. I have heard that stupid mantra for so long. Just another liberal BS statement. Just like handgun control claiming Florida’s concealed carry would make blood run in the streets. Just utter BS. The least you could do is use common sense instead of emotion.

Yup, ma gun just jumped up and shot them.

…Pretty sure I’m using facts.
You know, those things that are borne out by observable evidence?

Like the evidence used in that study!
Florida? Oh hey, look at that! Florida is in there!
Hmm…falls into the second highest bracket of gun deaths, and the second lowest bracket for gun laws. Fascinating!
It’s like there was some hard data that someone looked at, and they drew a conclusion from it! Crazy!

But hey, whatever…it’s all liberal BS, right?
Not my fault that reality tends to support a “liberal” position on many issues.

Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun Issues

Tell me again what percentage of shooting deaths are legal self defense shootings.
Tell me again which is more likely with a gun in the home:

• shooting an intruder in self defense
• an accidental injury or death of a family member or fellow resident

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I know what you’re all thinking:

“You mean more gun laws = less guns = less deaths because of guns?!?! _NO FUCKIN WAY!!!”

Crazy, right?

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And today, in the “Absolutely Shocking News!” category:

Study: More Gun Laws Equal Fewer Gun Deaths

SOURCE: JAMA

Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun Issues

So I am gone for a few days and you liberals take advantage of that to use me in every post. Cowards. Karma, You have been on the wrong side of every thread on this forum. I haven’t got a bit of respect for someone so against the American society.

So, opening with “you liberals” and “cowards”. Nice.
And for the guy that refuses to cite any sort of valid source for his opinions to call someone else out for being on “the wrong side”…Cute.
Disagreeing with your outdated, closed-minded opinions doesn’t mean someone is anti-American. They’re just anti-you.

Guns, those horrible devices of death and mayhem. Those inanimate objects that take on a live of their own and go hunting children. They hunt down innocent victims and then return to their safes at night,, before their owners, who are despicable people in their own right for fighting for their freedoms against the Marxist assault on the country. I don’t suppose you have seen how Sandy Hook has been forgotten in the assault on gun-owners? Of course not, as you leftists are salivating another assault on freedom, in you’re eyes, another nail in the coffin of freedom.

This paragraph is so riddled with hyperbole, I almost don’t know where to start.
I might start, though, by pointing out that no one I’ve seen in this forum considers guns as self-aware death machines. No one here thinks that there’s not an issue with the people wielding them.
I might point out that the root causes of gun violence have been discussed by those on both sides of the issue.
But it wouldn’t matter, because freedom. That’s your short-sighted, trite answer for everything, isn’t it? Freedom.
Read a book.

I often wonder what happened to common sense. It is not so common anymore. Look at Karma. What is it he wants for America? Sure he will deny it but in reality (from his own posts) he wants America to become anything but the country that made the world better with it’s people and their creativeness. He wants a country that is broke, a country that takes from the producers to spread to the drags on society. He wants the illegals to flow over the boarder, taking the jobs and the American dream from the real citizens. He is treasonous to the country that gave him the life and riches he enjoys.

You’re making some pretty bold statements here. I’ll just reiterate that someone with an opinion that differs from yours isn’t “the enemy” or “a traitor”; they’re someone with a different opinion.
It’s called representative democracy. You should look into it.
Oh, and I like that you’re about one step from that old Chestnut, “America: Love it or Leave it!”
Keep up the critical thought.

Today, my state debated the gun control laws they want. None of them will affect the criminal, none of them. Yet because we have democratic representatives and a democratic governor, they feel free to move legislation against the wishes of the people who elected them. However, the pressure has risen in the cesspool we call a government. Our governor is crawfishing one signing these attacks on citizens rights. What these representatives are missing is our state has a constitution too, and it will come back to bite them.

Look, kids! An abject misunderstanding and/or denial of democracy! You elected these representatives, you don’t like what they’re doing…then don’t re-elect them.
It’s pretty straightforward.
Oh, and we wrapped this paragraph up with another thinly-veiled impotent threat! Nice!

Our federal government is truly a mess. We have an administration that despises the constitution because it gets in their way. Then they have temper tantrums when they don’t get everything they want. To hell with the constituents, they did their job by re-electing that boob of a president. Liberals call him a leader, but he is not. He worries about things that are not important and ignores the things that are important.

Hey, no argument that the Federal gov is a train wreck right now. Deadlocked Congress, a “liberal” President who has continued some of the WORST of the Bush administration’s policies. Not pretty. And not looking to get any prettier, either. We definitely need a house cleaning across the board up top.
That’s what elections are for.
But what on earth could you be worried the President is overly-concerned with? What unimportant issue is he so preoccupied with?

The sequester he has been raving against is such a baldfaced lie. Oh no, $82 billion dollars will be cut from a trillion dollar budget. OMG! The truth? Nothing will be cut except the increase in spending. Just like tax cuts, they are cutting the increase. You won’t hear this from the likes of Karma, it messes up their arguments for their savior in the white house.

Oh.
Yeah, the slowing of an already down economy, and potential loss of 3/4 of a million jobs. Meh, what a waste of time.

Common sense. Yet it isn’t used by the liberals. They ignore the reality and chase their liberal dreams of a utopia of socialism, one step at a time. Right now it is firearms. Doesn’t it make you wonder why Sandy Hook was forgotten? It’s simple, they never gave a damn about those children. It was just an excuse to go after our firearms, something they have been trying to take away for decades. It has even leaked out that Obama can’t complete his transformation of America as long as the citizenry are armed. Yet the liberals keep repeating the mantra for feel good laws, never realizing they are being duped by a treasonous president reaching for total power. Close your eyes until it is too late. Our founding fatheres would be proud to know the liberals sold our country down the creek with their greed and lust for power.

Of course; it’s all the fault of “the liberals”. The ephemeral pinko commies.

• You don’t know what Socialism is.
• If you’d read the article, you’d see that both parties have had a hand in writing gun control policy over the decades…including that model of contemporary Republican wet dreams, Ronald Reagan.
• Our founding fathers actually enacted a lot of controls that your ilk would consider overreaching, if you weren’t so hypocritical and blind to history.

Topic: Serious Discussion / Gun Issues

Good, evenhanded writeup about the back-and-forth between gun control and gun rights over the course of US history, courtesy of The Atlantic