taciturn057

twelvedoors: lol gay penis

LokiLoptr_: twelvedoors: lol gay penis

LokiLoptr_: Should be Twelves quote in the wiki

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austinfauth: DJ never leaves. He must be dead. Problem solved.

Wildmanoftnt: Unless he's just not paying attention

Wildmanoftnt: Or she

austinfauth: It.

austinfauth: It never leaves
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FK123: i think anybody will be stupid to blame God.

FK123: man did this, not God.

taciturn057: god existence is another question.... :p

FK123: well do you think that life on other planets exists?

taciturn057: it s very likely that some other planet might have had the good condition to have some life starting on it, yeah....

taciturn057: *conditions

FK123: no do you believe that there is life right now on another planet?

FK123: my idea is...

FK123: if you believe that there is possibility of life on other planet ....

FK123: then with some regard you believe in God.

taciturn057: i ve no clue about it, and we didn t see any proof of it yet... but it s very likely there might be

taciturn057: and... what would god have to do in any of it...?

FK123: well you say that there could be life on other planets that automatically opens the possibility to god.

taciturn057: life is the result of conditions brought together, then evolution if that s possible. there is no need to bring god in any of it

FK123: sure there is

taciturn057: how do you link those to ideas.... ô_O

FK123: depending what you think god is

FK123: god could be the process of evolution

taciturn057: humm.. hahaha... hahahaha

taciturn057: i think i ll stop there... this is taking an absurd direction...

FK123: nah

FK123: i got you

FK123: thats all :)

taciturn057: yeah sure.. if you want.. you should think about a career in debates... trump might even hire you

taciturn057: you would win all cases by having your adversary leave the debate after 2 min of your saying and reasonning

FK123: thanks

FK123: a win is a win :)

taciturn057: {desperate sigh}

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ranushy: its like i'm jesus, or that i should be forgiving even though they will continue the killing :)

twelvedoors: yes

twelvedoors: if they're going to continue the killing anyway

twelvedoors: why not have the moral high ground?

ranushy: unbelievable, the fact that i'm arguing this with a 30 year old ignorant blind man just made me realize what this world has to offer :)

ranushy: "thats what jesus would have done" :)

twelvedoors: oh, maybe you're right; we should just kill everyone

peck420: Your life to waste as you see fit.

ranushy: no everyone, just those that deserve it :)

twelvedoors: that'll fix it

twelvedoors: so, like, abbas

ranushy: not* :)

peck420: That would certainly solve the water issues.

ranushy: all the Zionist Israelis :)

twelvedoors: we should all just pick sides based on religious tribalism and throw bullets at each other

twelvedoors: that's the solution

ranushy: the Zionists wont stop killing, and those people in palestine wont just give up their land, the fighting will continue until those demon thieves leave the homes of those people :)

twelvedoors: then i guess the fighting will just continue, full stop.

ranushy: unless those thieves and murderers leave :)

twelvedoors: which isn't going to happen

ranushy: https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/

ranushy: just take a look at this twelve :)

twelvedoors: i've seen it

twelvedoors: it's propaganda

ranushy: look at how many are dying :)

ranushy: i've been to palestine :)

twelvedoors: congratulations

ranushy: as i was walking in the grounds of palestine the zionist soldiers were all caring machine guns, ready to fire at any second, and i was just there to visit :)

ranushy: think of those that live there :)

twelvedoors: oh and they shot you?

ranushy: they've shot so many people :)

twelvedoors: they shot someone in front of you?

ranushy: and the fact that you think its ok for them to carry dangerous weapons as a way to threaten those innocent people just shows that i'm chatting with an old ignorant man :)

twelvedoors: the fact that you don't believe in evolution and also that we have an infinite supply of water says something about you too

ranushy: i'm wasting my time with you :)

twelvedoors: clearly

PuRe_Salt: back

ranushy: welcome back silky! :D

PuRe_Salt: :D

celestialheart: hi

taciturn057: weird discussion here :)
taciturn057: i believe in evolution and we clearly don t have an infinite supply of water

taciturn057: and i also think the zionist, in palestine, are the pb there...

taciturn057: 60 years ago, palestinian ppl were tranquil, then the jewish ppl, because they lived the Holocaust, and no one did anything to stop it, were granted some land they claimed belonged to them 2000 years ago...

life1996: You are making my day sir

taciturn057: and no one seem to wanna acknoledge the issue here... if it hadn t been a "protectorat" from british ppl, they would have never been able to get it...

taciturn057: anyways, i seem to have missed the discussion here...

ranushy: exactly! :)

taciturn057: haha

ranushy: finally, someone with a brain! :D

ranushy: besides me and loki :)

ranushy: and silky :)

PuRe_Salt: Sorry I'm doing some math work

taciturn057: i think twelve has a pretty good brain... i usually agree on most of what he says

taciturn057: but apparently not on palestine vs Zion

ranushy: ^^^^ :)

ranushy: true :)

taciturn057: do you really don t believe in evolution ranu ??

ranushy: thats fine silky, just focus on whats important :)

ranushy: in a way i do :)

taciturn057: i d say there aren t that many ways, you know.... evolution is a very basic theory that you can hardly argue against... no?

celestialheart: it took an hour to do my math homework yesterday

taciturn057: just long, or difficult?

celestialheart: it was long and a bit difficult

twelvedoors: to be clear, i'm not taking sides in the israel vs. palestine conflict

twelvedoors: but

twelvedoors: before i listened to loki calling for the destruction of israel day in and day out, i was very anti-israel

DJ_Church: I'm so sad

DJ_Church: I always imagined insanely ignorant and crazy people were all gone

ranushy: you know the fact that you changed sides just because of a one man's way of saying doesnt make sense :)

taciturn057: do you mean that loki made you change yr mind?

DJ_Church: And people only thought the moon landing was fake because it was funny

PuRe_Salt: DJ

twelvedoors: i mean that loki helped me realize how much both sides of this conflict are just propaganda efforts

PuRe_Salt: You asked how people even speedrun Fallout like 2 days ago

PuRe_Salt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o5yJAYIhKc

taciturn057: i know loki is a bit harsh on it, but the fact that jewish ppl invaded a land that didn t belong to them is a fact... history, neutral history, is just about facts...

twelvedoors: well, that's the history of all nations

loki_loptr____: But nowadays we have international laws, right to self-determination

loki_loptr____: Human rights

ranushy: yet doesnt make it right and that doesnt mean that the people should just give up their land just because "its the history of all nations" :)

ranushy: fighting for our rights is what keeps us going :)

twelvedoors: then have fun dying for them, too

loki_loptr____: I only present the facts

loki_loptr____: Israel has been targeted by at least 77 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by 1.

taciturn057: it s just weird how ppl i find reasonable and who make sense, usually want to remain neutralin this current hot topic... how can history about the facts can be seen as palestinian side, or propaganda....?

twelvedoors: that's not all you present

loki_loptr____: 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and at least 48,488 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967.

loki_loptr____: Israel currently has 261 Jewish-only settlements and ‘outposts’ built on confiscated Palestinian land. Palestinians do not have any settlements on Israeli land.

ranushy: ^ :)

ranushy: those are all facts twelve :)

twelvedoors: so what?

twelvedoors: what do those facts matter?

ranushy: we're all going to die, but will we die for a cause? or die as losers who gave up whats rightfully theres? :)

twelvedoors: they're fuel for the conflict

ranushy: and allow the thieves to just have what they want :)

twelvedoors: die as a loser who gave up what was rightfully theirs or die as a loser who got shot in armed conflict

twelvedoors: either way, you're a loser

twelvedoors: and dead

ranushy: no, they're heros, who are fighting for their rights :)

twelvedoors: but they lost

twelvedoors: so they're losers

twelvedoors: by definition

ranushy: thats what you dont understand, yet you're fighting for water lol :)

twelvedoors: we all need water

twelvedoors: none of us need jerusalem

loki_loptr____: Twelve does not stand a chance in this debate so he resorts to petty trolling lmao

ranushy: they did not lose, they're showing the world whats going on around them, how much lives are getting lost by these thieves :)

ranushy: you're just too blind to see it :)

twelvedoors: i see it, believe me

twelvedoors: you're too blind to see that there's another way

ranushy: how can i believe you when you're just talking nonsense :)

twelvedoors: maybe you could try listening

ranushy: 2 people agree with me here :)

ranushy: because they see whats happening :)

twelvedoors: i see what's happening :)

twelvedoors: i know what's happening :)

twelvedoors: i'm informed and i have perspective :)

ranushy: yet you changed sides because loki said the truth in a way you didnt like lol :)

kisbi: :) :) :) whats with all the faces

twelvedoors: no

loki_loptr____: RIP to the latest (non combatant) victim of jewish violence

ranushy: kisbi, you're new here :)

loki_loptr____: January 17th, 2018: Ahmad Ismail Mohammad Jarrar, 31, was killed by Israeli soldiers at dawn while at his cousin’s home in Wad Burqin area, west of Jenin.

loki_loptr____: January 17th, 2018: Ahmad Ismail Mohammad Jarrar, 31, was killed by Israeli soldiers at dawn while at his cousin’s home in Wad Burqin area, west of Jenin.

loki_loptr____: January 17th, 2018: Ahmad Ismail Mohammad Jarrar, 31, was killed by Israeli soldiers at dawn while at his cousin’s home in Wad Burqin area, west of Jenin.

ranushy: ^ :)

twelvedoors: i moved to a more moderate position because loki has exposed a deeper truth to me

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ranushy: ^ :)

twelvedoors: that this conflict is artificial, and perpetuated by the people who claim that they want to stop it

ranushy: they want what they worked hard to achieve :)

twelvedoors: and what is that, exactly

twelvedoors: jewish genocide?

loki_loptr____: January 17th, 2018: Ahmad Ismail Mohammad Jarrar, 31, was killed by Israeli soldiers at dawn while at his cousin’s home in Wad Burqin area, west of Jenin.

ranushy: they worked hard on their land, their agriculture, their buildings, building their homes :)

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.

twelvedoors: who, specifically?

ranushy: yet the jews came and destroyed all of it :)

ranushy: the palestinian people :)

twelvedoors: where's the list of names of palestinians who are working hard on building farms and houses?

twelvedoors: not just the ones who have been killed?

loki_loptr____: During Fiscal Year 2016, the U.S. is providing Israel with at least $10.1 million per day in military aid and $0 in military aid to the Palestinians.

twelvedoors: but the ones actively engaged in that, right now?

kisbi: I like pollo

ranushy: lmao, give me the specific names of the people that built ALL the homes on america twelve :)

twelvedoors: i'm just saying, you've got lists of the dead

twelvedoors: because those are the people you bother to track

twelvedoors: because it's good propaganda

taciturn057: it s not about being right or wrong... i m trying to understand how , with perspective, one can come to take a neutral positon on smthg that, for me, is pretty crystal clear

twelvedoors: the us gives more aid to palestine every year than any other country

taciturn057: i really don t get you on this one twelve

kisbi: or everyone could not give a shit about everythin

ranushy: because those that died died innocently, fighting for their rights, they died for a cause, yet you want the names of those that built all the building lol :)

twelvedoors: because palestine has been super effective in advancing their side of the conflict

twelvedoors: they don't tell you about how they convince young palestinians to act as human shields

ranushy: you're obviously mistaking israel for palestine :)

twelvedoors: they don't tell you about all the times abbas outright rejected peace talks

taciturn057: every war is dirty, twelve, that s not smthg new

twelvedoors: exactly

twelvedoors: so there's no good side here

skaren: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To7EAl2qkII

loki_loptr____: Twelve spews zionist propaganda lol

twelvedoors: in 2016 alone, the US contributed $355,177,827 to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNWRA), of which $95 million was earmarked for the West Bank and Gaza.

twelvedoors: UNWRA also operates Palestinian refugee camps in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.

loki_loptr____: Is absurd to say that the Palestinians do not love their children lmao

twelvedoors: In total, therefore, the US gave around $712 million in aid to Palestinians in 2016, and is the world’s largest supplier of such aid.

taciturn057: with that reasonning, my country would have been german by now, and the allies would have never come

loki_loptr____: They allow their children to die at the hands of zionists to make israel look bad?

ranushy: yes there is, its like a home being taken away from the family, and that family is supposed to accept that? :)

twelvedoors: and yet palestinian leadership claims that they don't receive any such aid

loki_loptr____: How stupid does that sound when put in prospective

twelvedoors: that's exactly what they do

twelvedoors: dusty old clerics

twelvedoors: telling young people that israel is the enemy

twelvedoors: and that to die for palestine is a virtue

loki_loptr____: Palestinians receive zero military aid for the US

twelvedoors: that's because palestine doesn't have a military

twelvedoors: duh

loki_loptr____: Ranu, stop allowing twelve to troll you

ranushy: yet the US provides weapons and money to the Zionists to kill the innocent palestinians and kick them out of their homes :)

twelvedoors: The $290 million dispensed to the PA via the USAID program in 2016 was spent as follows: $71 million for Gaza humanitarian assistance and water,

ranushy: ya, this is such a waste of time :)

twelvedoors: $41 million for water supply and sanitation, $31 million for economic growth, energy, and private sector development, $31 million for infrastructure, roads and community Infrastructure, $25 million for education and youth

twelvedoors: and $12 million for democracy and governance. Another $75 million was given for indirect support for debt relief.

twelvedoors: In addition to the USAID money, Washington gave the PA $54,824,000 for security and justice assistance.

loki_loptr____: wasnt 2016 the year israel cut water supply to gaza lol

twelvedoors: Such funds can cover training and supplies for the Palestinian security forces, as well as training for lawyers and judges. Further funding included $8.7 million under the Middle East Partnership Initiative for West Bank- and Gaza-specific programmin

twelvedoors: $2.1 million for public diplomacy to support education, civil society and women’s empowerment; and $2.2 million for the English Access Microscholarship Program.

twelvedoors: The Palestinian Authority’s leaders are open about their policy of providing salaries and other benefits to Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails

twelvedoors: , including those convicted by Israeli civil courts of murder and terrorism, as well as to their families if they are killed while carrying out their attacks.

loki_loptr____: Someone killed someone in war time? =O

loki_loptr____: woah twelve

twelvedoors: so that totally invalidates your crocodile tears for dead palestinians

loki_loptr____: If I stand behind you and hit you in the head with a bat, we didnt have a fight

loki_loptr____: I assaulted you

loki_loptr____: That is what is going on in the occupied territories

twelvedoors: because countries are individuals

taciturn057: resistants in france were enrolling ppl to kill german, and sacrifice theirselves for "greater good" ... and dying for a free france was a virtue too... what is the difference here, twelve? i don t get it

loki_loptr____: right over your little head

meganon22: the only reason the us does all that is so that they don't have to feel guilty for all the stuff they've done to them and so they can make themselves look good

loki_loptr____: See Ranu

loki_loptr____: Twelve is like a trained monkey

loki_loptr____: He can be taught things, be he is still an idiot

loki_loptr____: Do not bother with him

twelvedoors: why israel–palestine, loki?

twelvedoors: of all the injustices in the world

ranushy: obviously twelves needs to be put in the palestinian situation, he needs whats happening to them to happen to him in order for him to understand how harsh the situation is, you think losing a loved one that died so young is easy? :)

twelvedoors: why are you so focused on the jews?

Somewhat1337: have you guys ever seen mike matei's massive schlong

taciturn057: it s not about jews....

loki_loptr____: ^

twelvedoors: then why do loki and ranu keep talking about the jews?

loki_loptr____: Lmao

loki_loptr____: Twelve understands so little

twelvedoors: if it's not about the jews, don't make it about the jews

ranushy: while you, an old man sitting behind a screen is defending the zionists the young palestinians are fighting for their rights and dying for it :)

taciturn057: beacuse it s a larger meaning for zionist

loki_loptr____: Just let him tire out, Taci<3

ranushy: while the* :)

twelvedoors: that's the main problem i have with all this propaganda

twelvedoors: so what are you doing to help, ranu?

twelvedoors: why aren't you on the front lines?

twelvedoors: why are you just a child sitting behind a screen?

loki_loptr____: Twelves mad

twelvedoors: defending the palestinians?

loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: why are you just a child sitting behind a screen?

twelvedoors: i am mad; i'm mad ta you can so flippantly call for genocide

twelvedoors: it's disgusting

meganon22: twelve shut up i've had to put up with watching you rant about water and now this for nearly 2 hours give it a rest and just play the game

loki_loptr____: lolol

twelvedoors: so go to a different chat room

twelvedoors: not like you've had anything to say

loki_loptr____: We like Meganoon

meganon22: yes because i dont care enough to add any input

loki_loptr____: Why so salty, Twelve

ranushy: i'm a child thats defending my rights, no matter where i'm at, and i'll grow up to become someone great unlike yourself :)

taciturn057: play yr ****ing game meganon and stfu

twelvedoors: what rights are you defending?

meganon22: ranu literally joined this chat saying "im gay sos" and you ranted on about water

loki_loptr____: international human rights

ranushy: the palestinian rights :)

twelvedoors: so not your rights

meganon22: tacti feck off

twelvedoors: their rights

loki_loptr____: right to self determination

ranushy: its human rights! :)

twelvedoors: so the israelis also have a claim to them

loki_loptr____: Taci mad too =(

twelvedoors: they being human too

ranushy: being a thief has always been wrong, and fighting for what belongs to you has always been right :)

twelvedoors: you couch this conflict in such simplified terms

twelvedoors: no wonder you have such a one-sided view of it

ranushy: the israelis have claimed whats not rightfully theirs, you dont see that :)

Somewhat1337: mike matei's dong is massive guys

twelvedoors: the israelis are thieves, the palestinians are heroes

taciturn057: calling for a genocide isn t right, it s obviously absurd, anyone here can get it i think, but being against that do not force you to be ther whole cause

twelvedoors: is your solution to kill every last israeli or is it not?

taciturn057: *be against the whole

twelvedoors: i'm obviously against israeli occupation of palestinian lands

twelvedoors: i'm obviously appalled by the gross imbalance of power thre

taciturn057: yes i can go to sleep tranquil tonight =)

loki_loptr____: a bit of a contradiction lmao

ranushy: my solution is to get the israelis out of our land for good :)

loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: i'm obviously against israeli occupation of palestinian lands

twelvedoors: no contradiction whatsoever

ranushy: it does not belong to them :)

loki_loptr____: DEFENDS ZIONIST AGGRESSION*

twelvedoors: where do you want them to go?

twelvedoors: they say it does belong to them

twelvedoors: they say god gave it to them millennia ago

taciturn057: thet weren t there before wwii

twelvedoors: i'm not defending zionist aggression and i never have

ranushy: america seems to be provides them lots of help, britain put them in our land to cause trouble, they can go to those places :)

twelvedoors: what i'm opposing is palestinian aggression

ranushy: providing* :)

taciturn057: resistance

loki_loptr____: State of israel created in 1948

twelvedoors: i'm happy to take them but they want to stay there

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

ranushy: where are the palestians gonna go? :)

twelvedoors: why can't they stay there and coexist?

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

ranushy: obviously underground considering they killed most of them :)

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

ranushy: yet you stand with murderers :)

twelvedoors: jeez, so palestinians killed 134 children?

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

rich90master: what

ranushy: 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000 :)

ranushy: do you see that number? :)

taciturn057: i understand you better then, twelve... but still, you can take this argument to make their presence, AND ocuupation right... that s the consequences from their acts... they werent there before 1948... not in that way...

rich90master: im legally blind

twelvedoors: so it comes down to scores for you

twelvedoors: the side that kills less is morally better

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

taciturn057: so where should they go shouldn t be the matter here

loki_loptr____: Not stealing land, massacring people

twelvedoors: well, they were there before 1948, they were just gone for a while

loki_loptr____: Yeah Id say morally better

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

ranushy: you do realize that most of those palestinians ARE children :)

twelvedoors: so if the palestinains had killed more children than the israelis, you'd be on israel's side

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

rich90master: what even is this chat

ranushy: to technically its children tha killed those israeli children in which those israeli children tried to kill those palestinian children :)

ranushy: so* :)

twelvedoors: so the solution to this conflict is for palestinians to kill more israeli children?

loki_loptr____: We are on the side of humanity

loki_loptr____: 134 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 2,167 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000

twelvedoors: and you still haven't answered me: why this conflict?

twelvedoors: why is this your pet issue?

taciturn057: someone comes in your house, want to stay because it used to belong to his ancestors, would you be happy that police don t want to get him out because of where is he gonna go... ?

loki_loptr____: I like how Ranu presents facts and a reasonable argument

loki_loptr____: andd twelve goes for the strawmen

twelvedoors: it's not a straw man

twelvedoors: unless you're made of straw

twelvedoors: i'm asking you, personally

ranushy: because its truth :)

twelvedoors: and i'm not arguing against palestine

ranushy: just like what you're presenting loki :)

twelvedoors: i'm also only presenting facts and reasonable arguments

twelvedoors: and you still haven't answered

taciturn057: not that much twelve sorry

loki_loptr____: hahaha

taciturn057: looks like israel propaganda

twelvedoors: what i'm arguing against is the vilification of people based on their religion

ranushy: twelvedoors: kill all palestinians :)

twelvedoors: ok that was to mock you

ranushy: twelvedoors: and i'm not arguing against palestine

loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: kill all palestinians

taciturn057: twelve,

taciturn057: someone comes in your house, want to stay because it used to belong to his ancestors, would you be happy that police don t want to get him out because of where is he gonna go... ?

loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: ok that was to mock you

loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: i'm also only presenting facts and reasonable arguments

twelvedoors: ok so not ONLY

loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: ok that was to mock you

twelvedoors: but neither are you

loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: i'm also only presenting facts and reasonable arguments

loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: ok that was to mock you

twelvedoors: no i don't want people to intrude into my house

twelvedoors: obviously

loki_loptr____: LMAO

twelvedoors: not really the same thing

ranushy: LOL :)

twelvedoors: loki why israel–palestine?

taciturn057: it looks like exactly the same thing

loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: i'm also only presenting facts and reasonable arguments

loki_loptr____: twelvedoors: ok that was to mock you

taciturn057: and it actually is

twelvedoors: so all americans should return their land to the native tribes

twelvedoors: by that argument

loki_loptr____: We didnt have 'international rights' in the 1600s

loki_loptr____: Nowadays we have such things as international law

ranushy: ^ :)

taciturn057: indeed, with loki on thta one

ranushy: brb :)

twelvedoors: still doesn't address the issue of what to do now

taciturn057: this isn t a reasonnable question

taciturn057: my previous analogy still stands

twelvedoors: so all the israelis

twelvedoors: including the ones who were born and raised there

twelvedoors: should just get out

taciturn057: of course

loki_loptr____: When twelve gets wrecked by Taci and Ranu <3

loki_loptr____: LMAO

twelvedoors: i don't feel wrecked

twelvedoors: outnumbered, maybe

taciturn057: how can you even ask twelve?

twelvedoors: because i care about human rights

twelvedoors: and displacing people from their homes

celestialheart: gotta proofread my essay

loki_loptr____: 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and at least 48,488 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967

loki_loptr____: Same Twelve

taciturn057: if there had been 1 generation of german ppl born i france before the d-day, should have we kept them?

loki_loptr____: 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and at least 48,488 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967

loki_loptr____: 0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and at least 48,488 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967

twelvedoors: i care about them too

twelvedoors: what upsets me is your call for violence

celestialheart: violence is bad

twelvedoors: and since there's nobody else here to defend the innocent israelis on that side of this conflict, i guess i have to

twelvedoors: "there are no innocent israelis"

twelvedoors: yeah, yeah

taciturn057: the consequence of their atcs belong to them and shoud not be in the "negociation"

twelvedoors: you're talking about children who had no control over where they were born or raised

taciturn057: celest <3

taciturn057: yeah and so..?

ranushy: taci speaks truth! :)

twelvedoors: and so there are no easy answers

ranushy: back :)

loki_loptr____: Starting in 2019, the U.S. will give Israel $38 billion over the next 10 years – $3.8 billion per year, which is $10.41 million per day.

taciturn057: because of that ppl who never asked for that sh*t should deal with them??

twelvedoors: well, that's trump for ya

twelvedoors: it's not about them or the other them, but about all of us

loki_loptr____: Obama did the same thing...

twelvedoors: israel hated obama

twelvedoors: israel loves trump

austin8515: I hate trump

taciturn057: and why israel-palestine issue/topic?

taciturn057: because israel-palestine is currently the biggest injustice in the world, that all our "developped" countries have helped put in place

twelvedoors: what about the rohingyan genocide

twelvedoors: or POK

twelvedoors: or the water crisis in south africa

twelvedoors: or the collapse of the venezuelan economy

taciturn057: they re not the biggest

twelvedoors: or ongoing human rights violations in china

taciturn057: injustice

twelvedoors: they're all equally unjust

taciturn057: that s why

twelvedoors: or US corporations using sweatshop labor

taciturn057: we didn t play such a role in it, twelve

twelvedoors: we do in the lattermost

celestialheart: tweilve i got a question

twelvedoors: at least, we americans do

twelvedoors: yes celest?

DJ_Church: So I'm watching a professional art critic reviewing some popular contemporary movies right, specifically a discussion over original ideas and when is a copy a rip-off

celestialheart: An important thing to notice is the use of metaphors to comparison of kitchen items to the young woman

celestialheart: does this need a comma

loki_loptr____: Israeli forces shot dead Ahmad Abdul-Jaber Salim, 28, with a bullet to the head. They then fired teargas canisters at ambulances and medics trying to treat him. Eye witnesses say the Israeli soldiers were firing live ammunition at Palestinian protes…

twelvedoors: "An important thing to notice is the use of metaphors comparing kitchen items to the young woman."

DJ_Church: Wait let me rephrase that

DJ_Church: I'm watching a video of someone making fun of Bee Movie knockoffs, and he said he liked one of them

celestialheart: except the period

DJ_Church: And that one happens to be based off of nazi propaganda?

twelvedoors: is that not a complete sentence?

loki_loptr____: sraeli soldiers conducting a live-fire training near Palestinian communities in Tubas shot a three-year-old Palestinian boy in the head.

twelvedoors: i'm against nazis

celestialheart: i'm just asking if there is a need for a comma or not

twelvedoors: well, where would the comma be?

celestialheart: idk

twelvedoors: no

twelvedoors: no need for a comma

celestialheart: k

twelvedoors: but "comparing," not "to comparison of"

austin8515: hello

ranushy: shooting a 3 year old is ok twelve? :)

twelvedoors: no

twelvedoors: shooting a three year old is not ok

rich90master: maybe that three year old had it coming

ranushy: the israelis you're defending shot that baby :)

twelvedoors: i'm not defending those israelis

PuRe_Salt: The park is in such a chatty mood today :D

twelvedoors: i'm defending the ones who haven't shot any babies

twelvedoors: i'm also not defending the palestinians who have shot babies

rich90master: that three year old prolly was a drug dealer

taciturn057: but still who shouldnt be there... :p

twelvedoors: but they are there, and there's no good way to kick them out

ranushy: the Israelis release bombs at the homes of the palestinians, technically killing the babies in there :)

twelvedoors: i'm still not defending any baby-killers

ranushy: and i know palestinians give birth like rabbits :)

loki_loptr____: A Palestinian Teen Puts His Hand in His Pocket. His Punishment: A Bullet in the Face

twelvedoors: i'm defending people who have not killed any babies and yet are lumped into the same group

taciturn057: anyways that was a good one... i respect yr opinion, i almost totally understand it, but i still don t agree at all

loki_loptr____: For no apparent reason, Israeli forces fired tear gas and stun grenades at a Palestinian high school during midterm exams.

ranushy: a palestinian teen, which let me tell you, is still a child :)

twelvedoors: yes i agree that teenagers are children

loki_loptr____: Israeli forces have killed two more unarmed demonstrators in Gaza. Soldiers also shot a youth dressed as Santa Claus in the legs, and injured over 40 others with live ammunition. This brings the toll of Palestinians killed by Israeli forces to 12 si…

loki_loptr____: This brings the toll of Palestinians killed by Israeli forces to 12 since Dec. 6th. (No Israelis have been killed since September.)

ranushy: those palestinians who died during midterms, those are all children who looked forward to growing up and having a good life :)

ranushy: that was taken away from them :)

loki_loptr____: Deir Nitham is invaded by Israeli soldiers frequently – this time firing teargas bombs into a school full of children. Dozens suffered from teargas inhalation.

taciturn057: for me the consequences of their act should not serve as an argument against their eviction from that land that doesn t belong to them

loki_loptr____: Mohammed is 14 and in a coma from being shot in the face. Now 2 of his female cousins and his aunt are in prison. Because in occupied Palestine, Israel takes revenge on the victim.

taciturn057: because i still stand on that one : someone comes in your house, want to stay because it used to belong to his ancestors, would you be happy that police don t want to get him out because of where is he gonna go... ?

rich90master: bruh can we talk about something else thats actually important

celestialheart: oh shit i have a history test tomorrow

loki_loptr____: Israeli army sharpshooter couldn’t target the lower part of his victim’s body — he didn’t have one. The 29-year-old, who worked washing cars, lost both legs in an Israeli airstrike during Israel’s 2008 invasion of Gaza.

DJ_Church: :(

twelvedoors: if someone came to my house and said that the people who sold it to me had stolen it from them

taciturn057: good luck with that celest, asyou obviously forgot about it

twelvedoors: i might listen to their argument

DJ_Church: I have to unplug my computer again

DJ_Church: And move my desks

DJ_Church: and I don't wannat

celestialheart: i don

celestialheart: t get rhombi

loki_loptr____: Israeli forces have recently abducted and imprisoned over 230 Palestinians – dozens of them children – who now face inhumane conditions in prison. Soldiers refer to them as “Trump detainees.”

loki_loptr____: Video shows shows soldiers dragging a young Palestinian man through the streets of Hebron, repeatedly kicking, slapping, and manhandling him.

rich90master: does anyone actually care what loki is saying

taciturn057: who d be the thieft her etwelve ô_0 ?

taciturn057: *here

twelvedoors: exactly

loki_loptr____: srael is keeping Palestinians in the Dark Ages technologically, at least 16 years behind the rest of the world in internet access, denying human development, which is a human right.

ranushy: and give them the house, after working hard on fixing it, providing a life for your children in it, paying all that money for it, you'd just give it to them :)

twelvedoors: it would be a complicated issue with no clear right or wrong side

rich90master: phew much better muting him

ranushy: *here, take my house and everything in it, and its ok if you killed my child, i'll forgive you" -twelve :)

loki_loptr____: Tom Cotton, expected to become CIA director, is owned by the Israel Lobby. In 2014 he received $1 million from the Emergency Committee for Israel and additional money from the Republican Jewish Coalition… Foundation for Defense of Democracies is neo…

twelvedoors: loki_loptr____: I like how Ranu presents facts and a reasonable argument

ranushy: thats literally how you sound right now :)

loki_loptr____: A 1-minute video about Mohammad Abu Haddaf, 4, who died on On Dec, 6, 2017 from wounds he suffered three years before, when Israeli army drones fired missiles at his family’s home. He had been in critical condition ever since. The missile also kille…

twelvedoors: then you're not listening

twelvedoors: but what else is new

ranushy: twelvedoors: if someone came to my house and said that the people who sold it to me had stolen it from them twelvedoors: i might listen to their argument

MadCarbine3: whats happening my peeps

MadCarbine3: \

twelvedoors: yeah because maybe i don't have a claim to this house, in that case

rich90master: very dumb convo

ranushy: 2000 years after, you dont have a claim for it :)

twelvedoors: it's complicated

taciturn057: zionist jews came, settled on private lands, called it theirs, it s not very complicated....

ranushy: ^^^^ :)

taciturn057: you can t go back 2000 years ago... it s absurd...

twelvedoors: from the palestinian side, that's how it looks

taciturn057: so from what i get, it s ok to do this for you twelve, if you manage to resist to any evition until you got children there and it s too much complicated to make you move back.... weird....

twelvedoors: look, i don't think religion is a good justification for property claims

twelvedoors: but i'm not jewish

loki_loptr____: Taciturn is a hero

taciturn057: because the only reason ppl start defending now is that they managed to let 60 years go by...

celestialheart: loki do you know any trans ppl

twelvedoors: yeah, and sixty years did go by

ranushy: taci is truly a hero :)

rich90master: man **** this chat

loki_loptr____: We dont have very many trans in the south

loki_loptr____: So no

twelvedoors: i also don't think that religion is a good justification for forcing women to cover their hair

twelvedoors: but i'm not muslim

taciturn057: thanks guys, but that wasn t the purpose

taciturn057: :p

twelvedoors: i don't think religion is a good justification for anything

twelvedoors: and yet it is being used as justification for war

taciturn057: stfu rich, go read the description of this room

loki_loptr____: a modest hero<3

twelvedoors: if it weren't for religious justification, we wouldn't have an israeli–palestinian conflict, just a bunch of people living in the middle east

ranushy: muslim women cover their hair as a way of showing respect to themselves and not have men get attracted to them, its not just muslim women, if you look back not so long ago, all women covered their hair :)

ranushy: even nuns do it :)

twelvedoors: because of religion

ranushy: they used to cover their hair with hats :)

MadCarbine3: twelve you are getting things twisted

twelvedoors: because a bunch of men told them it was immodest and god didn't like it

MadCarbine3: uhhh

taciturn057: half agrre with you one that one ranu

loki_loptr____: Twelve doesnt understand another culture lol

loki_loptr____: Irony

MadCarbine3: yall should do some research before making false claims

ranushy: lol :)

taciturn057: the way it is currently for muslim girl isn t quite like that

ranushy: for some muslim girls its literally cultural :)

twelvedoors: all prohibitions concerning clothing or the lack thereof come from religion

twelvedoors: religious culture

ranushy: to cover is to not show your butt, boobs, anything thats revealing and considered private :)

twelvedoors: dictated by men

taciturn057: muslim guys aren t able to control themselves in front of thier girls so they force them , in most of the case, to wear it...

twelvedoors: i.e. the patriarchy

loki_loptr____: It was apart of the culture

MadCarbine3: yall need to get shit right

twelvedoors: and that's why i'm not trying to tell muslims that they can't wear burkas

loki_loptr____: so custom that religion has adapted it

loki_loptr____: Understand it in the context of history

taciturn057: ranu are you palestinian?

taciturn057: arab?

loki_loptr____: Just like in the jew book, the Torah, it says to kill homosexuals

taciturn057: muslim?

twelvedoors: american?

loki_loptr____: That was generally the custom of the time

loki_loptr____: The holy book adapted it

ranushy: yet some girls wear skin tight clothes and cover their hair, it is cultural, it attracts the eyes more than a girl that doesnt wear a hijab yet wearing a long skirt and a modest shirt :)