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Running 3 4 quad cell nefastium connected by coolant and surrounded by coolant was getting me about 2.77B tick and maintenance plus the cash button was about all I could manage. You could do 4 and make money just a touch faster. It was pretty fast, the experiment took just a few minutes to get back my investment and then I let it melt down. It wasn't fast enough to get me to 200T, however, lol, maybe some people would sit there that long.
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Not taking advantage of the last update, my setup still does really well, 497m per tick. http://imgur.com/30Pu6Ps -- It's limited only by the number of capacitors, which can be reduced if you have the 50T upgrade.
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So a definite bug, after shift-right-clicking one thing, and then not holding shift but right clicking another, it performed the same 'remove all' functionality. Good thing I took a screenshot.
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So here's an important question: Does adjacent include diagonal? The difference between heat being dispersed among eight components and among four components is substantial...
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Why is the heat level so unstable? It jumps around all over the place as soon as I start using those heat exchangers. I've had a couple of meltdowns as a result of this =/
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this the maximum efficiency reactor i could build. there is probably a few things to improve though http://snag.gy/8intX.jpg
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THE COOLANT CELL IS A TRAP!!!!!! is like a time bomb maibe if the exchanger get the heat from the coolant cell to the vent will be fine but the coolant cell only get and get heat whiout disperse the heat (and yea with the constant change of the coolant cell we lose money soo it doesnt work for me)
PD:when i put the 4 tier cells my machine explode but i have the best things to cold it now i know that the coolant cell is the responsable
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Here's a setup that might or might not inspire someone:
http://snag.gy/NL5PH.jpg
Replace fans with T5 ones, the cells with single Nefastium, and higher reflector ones. With only the first nefastium base power upgrade, and 4/6 heat upgrades.. running the setup at 100M/109M heat, you'll get ~304 mil / tick. (You won't be able to sell that fast unless you have the last capacitor upgrade though.)
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“Shift-left-click a depleted cell while you have a cell of the same type selected!” is kinda useless. It’s not the right click that takes time but finding the component you want and placing it at the appropiate place on the board. + for shift+click to just replace the unit under the coursor
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So even with all 6 Ticktime upgrades, if you take the time to upgrade the Nefastium, any of the 3 types can take Over 9 days to deplete fully. Also, I think with 6 upgrades for everything, there should be a 6th set of vents and what not, for as far as I can tell, it's... basically impossible to use a double or quad Nefastium on like any setup I've tried yet.
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@TheFroggy: Many thanks for inspiration. I improved your build a bit. 226 Million per Tick with dolorium!!!! And the reflectors make actually sense now!! http://i.imgur.com/F7TzeZj.jpg
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@Cazaan P.S. Damn you, now I'm tempted to scrap everything just for a 1% buff... :-) Actually I'll wait until I get the last capacitor upgrade which hopefully allows for two circles ;)
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@Cazaan Circle idea is brilliant! And you could increase output further by re-arranging the right side so that only one of the reflectors is touching a single cell!
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cooling cells are overheating? no problem: just sell them and replace them with new ones. yeah, it can be expensive, but you plant didn't blow up, aye?
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i'm still missing the last capa upgrade but this is how it should work:
http://i.imgur.com/2QjmWNb.png?1
look at the left side of my build; i'm trying to circle my nefas to use every reflector with 2 cells; saves me one tile compared to a chain - peanuts, but useful for those who love perfection ;)
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With the boost to power while heat is in the reactor, could we also get a double the effectiveness of plating, similar to the capacitor upgrades?
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My reactor so far
1st image 422mil http://oi59.tinypic.com/fwtweh.jpg
2nd image after a little heat reactor 637mil http://oi58.tinypic.com/ta1z4h.jpg
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@Axel. I have the 3rd nefastium upgrade (before upgrade costs got patched :P)
@The_froggy. 'without a reason' is a bit harsh. Note that I have 3x the power output as your reactor; as power scales up you need to dedicate much more space to capacitors so making do with the fewest cells is the key (currently).
@Zanatar. Take a look at mine (below), its what I've found to work best, but fine-tweaking depends on your upgrades.
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Very smart move give reward for heat. My reacror again overheat . it is fun,it is genius Everyone heat reactor to the maxium and then just one little mistake and booom.
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Can someone post an image of their reactor AFTER the patch from the latest update? An image that is viable to use Nefastium tier cell's? Has anyone found a strategy to use Quad Nefastium cell's yet? Please post a pic ..
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@axel and @vts6482
you guys are overcomplicating it too much without a reason.
http://s7.postimg.org/sfxl9ynbv/untitled.png
I ONLY have first 2 length and effectiveness upgrades for dolorium, and i have 1 tick per second less than Axel.
Also i don't have final levels of 1% upgrades for venting and power.
I am 100% certain that this layout gives better result once i have the same upgrades as axel. and is far simpler and safer to build.
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Almost liked this game. Then managed to get up to Seaborgium cells. Had the factory running without excess heat or heat buildup, and went to take a shower. Came back to the entire factory gone. This was my third try and the longest run I'd had... and it died in less than 30 minutes AFTER being watched carefully for any problems. Now to start over. Not.
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you would can add a resetwith bonuss thing, like refine radioactive restarting world or something like it and add plus parts
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@vts6482 mhhh... interesting. I'd like to have any use for those refractors...
anyway, nice build. What is the upgrade you have that I don't, by the way?
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@ChaoSpectre In many ways the update to exchanges is a step in the right direction, but the speed between components is still waaaay too slow. Needs to be something like 13M/tick transfer to be viable end-game (assuming auto-replacing quad nefastium surrounded by 4 coolants and 8 exchangers).
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@Axel 1989: The best neutron reflector is still another cell. The only exception is, when the cells become expensive and cannot be grouped due heat. Look at http://i.imgur.com/gxOIJxA.jpg . I got the same upgrades like you (i got just one of the new heat bonus more), so you should be able to build this.
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@MasteralucardHS Screenshot? If the fan is eliminating all its heat every tick it will look like zero. The heat exchangers (currently) move heat around very slowly, so a good fan will eliminate all the heat it gets every tick. Depending on your arrangement, having coolant with heat and fans with none is quite possible (albeit confusing at first).
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you should add an optional pre-built reactor as very fun but don't have enough time to get very far and is very slow to start
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Until quad-dolorium becomes somewhat efficient this game is nearly impossible after seaborgium without hours of idling.
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I'm not sure the change to the exchangers was really the right way to address their inconsistent behavior. Aside from getting rid of the specific issue that they weren't venting to exchangers at all, this change has turned heat in the reactor into a real bottleneck, as it will always take more effort to get heat into/out of the reactor than it will to place even one vent next to an exchanger. These new rates are painful.
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I would highly recommend reviewing the applications of head dissipation. I was under the impression that a fan would alleviate the heat produced by the cells next to it by x amount per tick. I put a level 2 heat exchanger to the left of a cell, put two level 2 coolant cells above and below and fans surrounding each cooling cell and a more powerful fan (level 4 versus the level 3 ones) to the left of the heat exchanger. Why is it that the cooling cells are retaining up to 8k heat and the fans aren't extracting heat from the source? Shouldn't that set up basically operate in the same capacity as a heatsink from a desktop computer? (Block of metal that absorbs the heat of the processor temporarily as a fan cools it down)
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@Rhazaak Nothing happens offline; as the game simulates the system tick by tick, it isn't feasible to just calculate progress for an offline period like other idles (that is also the reason why this one is more interesting). Well it would be possible for some of the popular reactors now that completely avoid the system the dev intended... :/ Anyway, your fuel-cells might have been disabled because you loaded a new version; dev said that is intended to avoid cases where a patch causes certain reactor designs to go boom :-)
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http://postimg.org/image/4mzyrgp1r/ OK, with the new build, new configuration!
first build all the reactor plating then put a 2x2 Quad.Seaborgium Cells and pay close attention to the level of heating. when it reaches almost 75M, then start putting vents arround. use some minor cells to get exactly to maximum heat possible (you could even go a little over, then wait for the auto cooling that distributes heat around). Last thing to build is the four rows of capacitors. If you do all correctly you get a nice 144M per tick. with some tick upgrades, that translates to half a B every second!
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@zbigi The reflectors were changed in the last update to increase only power not heat, making them useful. The tooltips don't make it clear, but you get the bonus from all the heat upgrades, not just the one corresponding to the fuel tier (I'm still waiting for the 200T upgrade myself).