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You could probably run 4 sets of 4 quad cells safely... With five cells or four you cash bar would be full in just a couple ticks, so you'd need to mash all the time. With three there was barely enough time to replace 2 components. I'd say getting and actually reaping the rewards of the income is at a few Billions per tick. So, maybe 5.4B/Tick (6 cells) which means 10.8B with the 500Qa upgrade. That's my guess... but there's not time to go pee... and wouldn't have much time to hit the cash button, but it might still have 10.4B in capacity to hold a tick
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The biggest power unit that doesn't produce heat that cannot be captured, AND has two coolants per constituent part for maintenance, is 4 quad cell nefasium components in a 2 by 2 square. You surround it with 8 ultimate coolants. This produces about 900M/tick with the nefastium upgraded 3 times. As I posted earlier, I ran it with three such cells linked by coolants. It made ~2.77B/Tick.. maybe a couple T per minute. Constantly needed attention replacing coolants and clicking the button for cash.
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oh NVM I thought they upgraded a module called a chronometer. They just add to the global tick speed per upgrade in case anyone else was confused.
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high power per tick is easy, i had 1 reactor running with 22 quad nefastium cells and 11 reflectors making 8-9b per tick. the challenge is in making a stable setup that does not require matenence
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Your reactor might be optimized but is it also HAPPY?
http://imgur.com/yTv5h4Z
(This also works as a full loop but loses ~4M/tick when idling)
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http://i.imgur.com/rLl2UFJ.png 608m/tick. i had a full loop going but it produced 700m-someodd power and the capacitors could not sell it all.
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If you have something selected and you run out of money to use it, it should still be selected when you get enough money again to use it.
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Robo i know that i could do that, but it would make no difference; with 81 platings i could increase heat a bit more to put power and autosell exactly on the same amount
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@Cazaan you've got one more plate than you actually need (80 plates is sufficient, instead of 81). You will earn *ever so slightly, fractionally* more if you replace one plate with a neutron reflector. Not that it's really going to make a significant difference.
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With the stats as they are now, the beast possible order would be exchangers>vents>destruction, because then the exchangers would always be moving as much heat as possible into the vents and as long as the vents could keep up they would not need the storage.
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Suggestions for next update :
Upgrades for heat vents
Make heat exchangers usefull
Sandbox mode where everything is free
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@RoboTurtle Nice. Beat me to it, I'm still waiting for the last capacitor upgrade to do a single-loop layout.
@Samnino Yes, it looks like something the dev never intended, so presumably will be patched sooner or later.
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Yah, the heat vents, in a good design, should stay completely chill. The coolants need to have at least enough heat in them to get the exchanger to run at capacity into the vents. That's the theory. The reactor, the heat exchangers, and the coolant should all have some heat in them, in theory, as the exchanger attempts to heat the vents to its capacity every tick and fails, because the vent dumps the heat.
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@vts6482 Nevermind, I just took another look at the heat vents. That actually seems like a design flaw when looking at it.
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@vts6482 I'm not sure what your talking about, but I'm assuming heat vents are calculated on an individual basis, and I've seen no heat vent output more than it can hold. However, I have seen heat vents stay at 0 heat while cooling cells fill up and melt (all connected by exchangers of course.)
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I started playing this just after the Jan 25 build; it was mildly fun, but got boring after a very short time (for an idle game). Picked it up again to see the new changes, and it may as well be a different game! Much better mechanics with the new upgrades, and much more fun to play. Great job!
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50Qa? 500Qua? That is a lot of time to make upgrades more aggressive, I suppose. I have a few 200T upgrades that will make things a little faster, but not like 50Qa faster.
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http://imgur.com/LELQhPz - 576M income per tick, with 553M of it idle (have to click "collect" button every once in a while). Replacing one neutron reflector with a plate and replacing a plate with bank cuts it to 557M, all idle. Plus it has a turtle.
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Part 2... this takes up 25 square and 15 plates or 40 squares. Each repeat tacks up lots of squares that could have just been used build plates on and increase vent capacity instead. Another thing is that the heat exchangers should offer protection against heat, and they seem to do this, except for how they run makes them dangerous. All this stuff adds up to using ultimate plates rather than heat exchangers. In other news, I think I've completed the game, because the further upgrades to the Nefastium are simply too expensive. 5Qa? Idle that is certainly going to take days and days.... anti idle that's still going to take forever, probably over a day, like a whole work week...
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In theory the heat exchangers should melt down when all the heat cannot be sunk and the reactor is above the heat exchangers temp. I'm going to be busy letting it run idle, and am not going to do this experiment right now. So, in my short experience with them, they seem to work okay, just not as good as a direct vent if the vent can fit, and a vent can fit up to Nefastium 1 cell. So, going to Nefastium 2 cell, you'd need over 300 cells or so of ultimate plate to make it possible for a vent to contact a nefastium 2. I believe he's added power to the heat exchangers (HE) to 462.96 (ultimate). Used to cool coolant, then, this can move about 3.7M per tick away from the coolants. We'll use, say 12 ultimate vents. They need to have about a 309k/tick so about 15 ultimate plates (giving you plenty of heat to withstand overheating by the exchangers).
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500 quadrillion for the last nefastium upgrade?... Do you realize how long that would take? Assuming a very efficient reactor at $600M/t and maxed out tick speed, it would be about 3.8 years. Of real time. Running constantly. Not even considering fuel replacement costs.
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Small request, when we roll over a fuel rod in the reactor that's being affected by heat or reflectors, can we please be able to see how much power it's actually producing rather than its base amount?
Thanks.
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are vents suppose to stop working when you over heat, test case: i use a single uranium cell to over heat and my ultimate vents had its heat slowly increase by one every tick
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Even more simple and more effective than my last dolorium build. It delivers 230+ Million per tick with DOLORIUM only!!! http://i.imgur.com/mJGI9Id.jpg Keep in mind, that it requires some upgrades,... before you build, test if 1 dolorium double cell can be cooled with one vent. If not, you should build more plating.
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@Samnio. I think the heat vents area already calculated first; if not, they would explode on most of the late-game reactors where they pump out 3x more heat than their storage rating.
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Suggestion: In addition to venting more heat, the heat capacity of vents should also be increased. My vents vent 1M heat per tick but only hold 500k heat.
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@MasteralucardHS The heat transfer is based on a percentages rather than absolute values. As odd as the game behaves, it actually makes sense. Look up Newton's law of cooling or take a look at this graph: http://www.atmosedu.com/meteor/Newton%27sLawOfCooling.JPG
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http://tinypic.com/r/rhlmdv/8
This is my Seaborgium reactor. I'm sure there are better ways but this is a basic setup to you can use if your having issues. You may need more plating and/or capicitors. I have several upgrades but I just blew up a very expensive setup so I made this to get some money to upgrade more.
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Could you change it so heat vents are calculated before exchangers, that would probably fix the problem of heat never leaving the system.
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Heat exchangers don't seem to favor pumping heat into heat events. I can surround a heat event with 4 heat exchangers and the heat events stay at 50% while the vent is at 0%. This makes it hard to tell if I need more exchangers to pipe heat into vents or more vents.
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Just a heads up, your heat exchangers and coolants are experiencing a bug still there the coolants will have roughly 2k heat still retained, no source of heat, several exchangers connecting them to several fans and they will still generate heat or dissipate them at roughly 30 points per tick when the system allows for a transfer of 240+ per tick? I would definitely wonder why heat is being retained in a system where the power cannot exceed the cooling capacity.