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dagger is for rogue only frosty.... However, the base dmg is way too big difference. Axe can do more dmg(this is sure,the base dmg difference increase more than bonus dmg from dex gained by dagger. Each lvl, dagger gain more 6 dmg, 3 str and 3 dex, while axe have 3 dmg bonus only, but the base dmg diffrence is just too big.), plus have minotaur axe, but the dagger, i cant find any orange dagger.
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I just checked and I think I found the most viable team for both survival and extreme campaigns :
Warrior (full endurance) : Resolve, Shield Wall, armor passive
Cleric (full intellect) : Party Heal, Revive, Anoint (benediction passive)
Mage (full intellect) : Electrical Storm, Power Siphon, Flickering Flames (offensive passive)
Ranger (full dexterity) : Swiftness, Hall of Arrows, Focus (creature lore passive)
Basically, since ANOINT works with both Hall of Arrows and Electrical Storm, you are able to kill the enemy's team with 2 aoes (only bosses survive).
Gear:
Warrior:full endurance/hp regen [heavy]
Cleric:full power regen/intellect [light/medium]
Ranger:full power regen/dexterity [medium]
Mage:full intellect/power regen [light]
Weapons:
Warrior: 1hander+shield
Cleric: 1hander+offhand
Ranger: Crossbow
Mage: Staff :-3
I managed to winish the first campaign on extreme with this team, fairly easy - same for survival mode.
Have fun guys!
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Well you almost figured it out (and before I finished posting my comment, good for you) but the formula is multipicitive. Base damage*temp buff*perm buff*attack buff.
Thus anoint+power attack =228% (1.75*1.3*100) damage, anoint+power attack+adreinline =296% damage (1.3*1.3*1.75)
I have confirmed these numbers in game
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anoint and hide boost skills, I have been anointing overwhelms for the past 50 levels, and there is a signifigant difference. The rouge team I am bringing through right now has been using hide and sneak attack, and if they didnt stack I would be leaving the monsters alive instead of killing them in one blow. It does work, the boost is not just the skill, I can do math, its not hard. I sugest you test again, make a cleave attack, write down the damage it does vs a 0 armor enemy, then anoint and cleave against a 0 armor enemy. As for Ax vs Dagger, at early levels the Ax wins, however at latter levels the Dagger does the same damage (and is faster and one handed). The test, at the store at lvl 118, the steal dagger dealt 1400 damage base, the steal ax 2200 base, for a difference of 800 base damage. My warrior has 370 dex (for his stats the ax would do 60 more damage), my ranger next to him has 411 str (never pumped str) so for him the dagger would do 22 more damage.
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Oh, warrior buff is dmg buff, and annoint and hide is next att buff, so they stack,and the formula is base dmg*(skill dmg boost + buff)%
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Oh, sorry, my mistake, annoint work with spell, but not with hide, last time i try is hide+annoint, and only hide boost dmg is applied. So i thought it never work with other skill. Just now i try, with annoint + sneak att, it work, double my rogue dmg. So hide and annoint won't work together, because the buff dmg won't stack together, and that include inspire. The formula is base dmg* skill boost dmg* buff boost dmg.
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Oh yea, like i said, dagger dmg lose to axe, not sword or mace. Look carefully, i talking about 2 handed axe. Dagger dmg is second high, on par with spear, and i talking the real dmg, not only base dmg.
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Frosty, i has try it, and it dosn't not boost the skill, instead you waste the buff, the only dmg buff that can be used with skill is warrior inspire. If you don't believe, just go try it, and you will see the dmg done is just the skill dmg.
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Also, as a rule of thumb, I think skills besides damage dealing and healing skills - save for Shield Wall - are not actually useful. I still haven't played campaign 3 though.
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dstar264 - "kamoranesis, first of all, with rogues u need to upgrade their STR and DEX (both add 2 damage)" STR and DEX add the same amount of damage when you attack with a dagger, so you can boost either with the same effect. But while there's really no reason for a mid-high level Rogue to use another melee weapon, it might happen you may have to wield a bow. Hence the DEX boost. "and u add END to EVERYONE, no question" Sure, but less so if your char is a well-armored cleric in the back row "second, i think that the best group setup is: cleric-warrior-rogue front row and mage in back row. works for me all the time" That's what I used to do myself. Still, Mage is weak IMO: most of his skills aren't so deadly and his passive skills are all but useless. OTOH, Rogue is by far the most effective - and also quickest - damage dealer in the game. Just give my setup a try and you won't be disapponted. Trust me ;-)
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entlee, if you are going to make arguments based on mechanics, at least know the mechanics. Anoint works on skills, hide works on skills. temporary multiplies with perminant multiplies with skill. the daggers base damage is on par with sword/maces and then it gets two stats added instead of just one. The all rouge party is viable, but it does require you play smart and understand the mechanics, know when to fight know when to run and try again. So yeah I will concede its not viable for you, as you dont understand the mechanics, but once you learn and start playing smart, you will be able to make it work too.
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it would be a hell of a lot nicer if the market to sell your stuff didnt req an item...i think i deleted 60 items just waiting for it to pop up..
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Keeler, I had fun doing an all warrior party for a while with high leadership skill. Welcome to Slaughter Town! At least on norm on the low levels ;-)
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Wow, I have really liked reading everyone's comments today. Nice! (I just got back from watching Star Trek. Very awesome movie.)
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Ok, some game mechanic need to be clear. Rogue hide is same with cleric annoint, it only work for normal hit, not with skill. Plus, the minimum accuracy is 10%, which can still make the att hit. Like i said, at early, monster dmg not high, but later on, your rogue will be die pretty fast. Somemore, leader party will make the full rogue party die, the leader will not die so easily. Human leader is pretty strong, immune poison. And remember this, hide will allow you to do 200% normal att next normal att, not with skill, which is same with cleric annoint. 1 more thing, dagger may do high dmg but not as much as axe, dager base dmg is damn low, and i cant find a orange dagger, althought the insane poison purple dagger is good enough. Not i hate rogue, i like rogue, but full rogue party is just bad, it never can clear every monster. How about minotaur??
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it makes sense that all rogues is a good party (we all know rogues like to party) because rouges are the best class in pretty much all games arent they? Hide and sneak attack in every game, too bad its not a guarrenteed kill in this game though.
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whoops did some math wrong, its 240+120% poison, still the rest holds true. just remember the party works because everyone hides, forcing the enemy to skip their turn. if one of your guys doesnt hide it breaks down. so target enemy stunners first, then enemy healers, then poisoners, then buffers.
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entlee, just use some simple tactics, the only attacks against the hydra heads are blinding attacks, you go first, everyone hides, hydras pass, you either use flash powder (50% blind) or blinding gear on the heads, other two stab the body (sneak attack can attack any enemy, not just front row). With a little life steal your rouges are going to be at full hp after every attack. hide+sneak attack=300% damage+150% from poisen craft (50%base*300% from sneak and hide) for 450% damae each strike Only a ainoited overwhelming adreiniline warior can oust that damage (300*1.75*1.3=682%) but then the rouge still does more base damage (dex+str to damage) AND the warior needs the cleric so thats divided over two folk. the 4 v 6 isnt that big a deal because after your first attack its 4 v 2. Now admitidily I did this all hardcore normal, I am starting up a hardcore extreme now as proof of scale up. Its tough to start, but once your properly equiped it smoothe sailing till real deep dungeon
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Frosty, you not 4vs4, is 4 vs 6, and how about hydra, how hide and win?? In high lvl, hydra 2 hit can kill my rogue. Although i using 1 rogue and i rely on him to 1 hit kill any damn annoying monster, 1 party 1 rogue is enough. 2 rogue will make your party too fragile. Maybe because i play hardcore and so i pretty much need play safe, so i always put cleric in my party. 1 more thing, a rogue can kill with 1 hit normal att= good. Use hide then kill= not bad but not good.
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Ocifferdave ,survival mode is different. You don't really think your rogue really can 1 hit kill a monster. Only their equip with the purple insane poison dagger(forget name) and their poisoncraft have some certain lvl, then they can 1 hit kill a monster. With hide, i believe only leader can hold your rogue att, but 4 against 6, pretty much impossible to win without a tanker, and how to kill hydra?? You can only use sneak att, but i don't think you have that much time for poison to kill him. minotaur is same, 2 hit can kill your rogue in early and 1 hit kill in high lvl.
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Entlee, an all rouge party works fine. I have taken one to around lvl 90 before losing (I made a dumb move and play on hardcore). If you pump damage enouph, hide and sneak attack will one shot most enemies. Legendaries arnt that hard once your energy regen is high enough to stay hidden all the time, just need to poisen and wait.
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Warrior, Rogue, Rogue in the front row; Cleric in the back row.
Equip your Rogues with daggers and shields, but make sure they always attack first in every battle. Use Poison or Create Opening according to your NMEs weaknessess; use Coup de Grace on stunned NMEs, use Pierce on gargoyles and wraiths.
When you face 5 or more enemies, use Shield Protection on the Warrior. Rogues get Poisoncraft, Warrior gets Leadership; Cleric gets Wrath. Note that several Rogue and Cleric skills are nearly useless: don't waste point over them. Warriors upgrades STR and END; Rogues upgrade DEX (damage), INT (Poison skill) and END; Cleric upgrades INT and - to a minor extent - END. Also, you may wish to carry a good bow to fight off Hydra, against which you are at a decided disadvantage. With the above setup you'll easily win every campaign with every difficulty setting. Tell me if it worked for you :)
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The all conjurers team caps out around level 150. While bloodsprite magic levels up great, pet damage keeps going down until it takes literally dozens of attacks to kill something.
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Went back and tried my two conjurer only party on easy. Made it to level 11 so far. Fun. This time I pumped all points into endurance for the conjurers and augment strength for the skill. I have speed above 60 so i put out two wargolems first, then back them up with one bloodspite (they sure heal an individual wargolem a lot more than the description says it will!) Then a third golem if needed. I then lay down supressive fire with my staffs ...they usually have poison orbs.
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A great way to "Stress Test" a party build idea is to take it for a walk down Survival Mode. I'll have to try those four rogues with rune/soothing (+ to mana/healing recovery). While they hide they heal and regain mana. While they hide the enemy they attacked will still take damage via poison (so, equip with poison daggers). Could work for a few waves. Dunno. Will try...at work. mohahaha...shhhhh!
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Oh ya, i know, the hide allow you to avoid enemy att, but when you facing 6-monster group, you gonna lose badly. Or any legend creature too.
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ocifferdave, your party will be lose badly.1st, no tank; 2nd no aoe skill. Maybe you win with some luck, but when you not in luck, you don't stand a chance to win, at least have some healer.
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I've made it to level 4 on Extreme difficulty with 4 rogues while killing every creature. Gotta love hide and backstab. Got old fast though, and I went on to other party configs.
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Try a, Warrior, Cleric, Mage, And Conjorour... Have the warrior focus on damage and tanking, cleric on healing and tanking, mage-damage, and have the conjorour have wargolem and bloodsprite, the golem will help you tank and when your cleric runs out of power b.s. can heal...I Got along quit nicely with this group, killed a hydra on level 2
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No, character statistics don't affect summoned creatures (which is kinda nice because it leaves your conjurer free to pump endurance)