Comments for Rogue Fable II

Thanks for the feedback! Looks like the consensus is heading towards 5 range being reasonable for staves.

Will do! Thanks for letting me know.

Spear is because its 2 range on the orthogonal and 1 range on the diagonal, though this may change at some point. Stealth is up for a revamp soon.

I feel like rogue + any of the casting skills is always a solid combination. Stealth and keen hearing just give you so much more control over engagements in general.

Pop into the forums and take a look at the longer explanation post I made. If you still disagree, just leave a comment, we can discuss it. My main thing with the range vs enemy range is simply that: you still have spells, you still have darts, you still have terrain tactics. Greater range should not be the only way you overcome range enemies.

Thanks! Its encouraging to still hear nice feedback in the storm of anger lol.

Honestly I think its more just a misunderstanding. A lot of people arnt familiar with the classic roguelike genre and so they see the game, assume its an RPG, get brutally murdered in the first minute, realize they have to start over and then freak out. Now if this was an RPG I would actually agree that, that's ridiculous and should be balanced. But its not an RPG its a roguelike, and though they may look the same, that's a completely different beast. So I'm not sure I'd call it whining its just maybe getting something you didn't expect. And as a side note, I'm sure as you know, dying after 8 hours in a game of crawl because durrr I've never been into hell before, I'll just pop in for a quick look. That's brutally hard lol!

Haha, I should basically just quote you when people ask why the staves got nerfed. That's why! In regards to 5 range, that's a possibility. Pop into the forums and leave a reply to the thread I started. You've been here since the start so I'm particularly interested to hear your (and a lot of the other experienced players) opinions. 5 range might be fine, I'm mostly just trying to encourage the casters to play more like... well casters, and less like magically inclined snipers/rangers.

Thanks for the well thought out feedback. Will be taking everything into consideration for future updates. I'd like to bring up the two casters (necro is likely fine) though improvements to their abilities rather than their staff. I've started a thread in the forum specifically about the staff nerf if you'd like to discuss this.

Caster staves are already at the maximum range, so there's no way to make rangers have 'more range'. Also I don't want the casters playing like a ranger i.e. standing stock still and firing away over and over again with a ranged weapon. They are supposed to be using their abilities more than any other class, so maybe a boost to their abilities may be in order. That said, check out the forums where I've made a post. Give a response if you'd like, I hope its obvious at this point that I'm quite receptive to your guys feedback.

Check out the forums, I made a post. Read my rational and give a response. I'm always willing to have a discussion. In regards to classes feeling underpowerd, I'm not sure I agree. There are literally hundreds of wins happening every day (see stats tracker) and I've personally won with every class and spoken to many people who have also beaten the game with every class. I've said it before, and this is not directed specifically at you, but this game is not an RPG it's a roguelike. It is supposed to be really really hard. Winning is supposed to be a big accomplishment and not something that every player will ever achieve. The classes are not supposed to feel powerful, you should win due to your cleverness and perfect play, taking every advantage possible. I beat the game with 4 range staves with both the necro and fire mage (I'm sure the storm mage is fine with his stun), so its certainly still winnable.

First few ideas will be in the ranger class (possible release tomorrow). Sleeping bomb is something I've been meaning to do, especially for those late game swarms. For the world map, my next game will use similar combat mechanics but be a much larger open world RPG without the permadeath, and more of a focus on developing a character (or party of characters) over a long campaign.

Check out the forums, I made a post. Read my rational and give a response. I'm always willing to have a discussion.

Check out the forums, I made a post. Read my rational and give a response. I'm always willing to have a discussion. Also always buffing and never nerfing is how you get power creep which eventually destroys the difficulty of the game.

Check out the forums, I made a post. Read my rational and give a response. I'm always willing to have a discussion.

Check out the forums I made a post. Read what I said and respond. I'm always willing to have a discussion.

I think people are downvoting you because pixel dungeon and this game are both classically inspired roguelikes which is a well established genre with many conventions. Neither pixel dungeon (or this game) invented these mechanics. Google roguelike or check out Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup, ADOM, TOME4, NetHack or Angband. These ideas have been around since the early 80s with the original game Rogue.

Yeah there's something crazy with them right now, they are on The List to be fixed.

Will let it stew for awhile. Balancing is always an ongoing process. My main concern is two parts. First I want the ranger, range skills, and range talents to be useful, so making ranged weapons have the best range is an obvious solution. Second, I want to encourage people to not play each class the same each time. The casters so far have been pretty much tied to their staves, there is never a reason to switch to another weapon you may find. With the range at 4 (maybe 5 if 4 is to short as your saying), there is more incentive to change weapons. A randomly generated game like this, in my opinion, should never have starting weapons that nullify any possible loot generated later.

Maybe yes, maybe no, balancing is a ongoing process. Even if this is entirely true (staves are definitely a straight up nerf), I don't see this as a problem. There are plenty of easy games out there for people to play, is it so bad if some of us developers want to make something challenging for a change? There are hundreds of people winning the game every day, just look at the stats tracking on the right, so its certainly not impossibly hard.

It might be, there have been some reports of enemies suddenly gaining super speed. I'm looking into it, this will help with the bug finding process. Thanks for the additional information!

I'd love to add some achievements when all the content, balance and bugs have been finished. Especially tricky ones like killing 5 enemies with a single lightning bolt or cleaving 6 maggots in the same turn with an axe. Thanks for the feedback!

But those poor melees have been dealing with this the whole time lol. Seriously though, balancing is ongoing so maybe 4 will end up being to short. My main goal is to make putting points into range a viable skill path and to make the ranger have some unique selling points. If the staves were left as is the ranger would just be a weak mage that uses ammo. I also want to make it more tempting to drop your staff as a caster halfway through and starting cross training into some other form of attack. The classes in this game are not really intended to be played straight through to the end game with no variation. Your encouraged to branch out as you find items and books.