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The way I evaluate balance is drastically different from you. When I consider a class is balanced or not, I am not talking about the fastest possible time but whether a class can finish a run without significant risk under 45 mins, because this is how the game is envisioned by the developer: a short strategy game with different experience each time. Any classes can be done below 20 mins by having better rng and taking greater risk. Rogue has talents especially sprint and dungeon sense that can speed things up, but those runs are more related to gambling, not correct decision-making (aka "strategy"). After lots of run I can confirmed there are many scenarios where you can't find enough useful scrolls, charms and wands. There is very little thing you can do to speed things up if they just don't show up. And I did not complain anything about potions and food, actually any people familiar to this game shud never run out of potions and food anyway.
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@vurogj- if you have another scroll or the charm, you can blink out again so I think this was intended. I haven't test it but might also let you jump the locked level gates
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@Izhy Fire elemental is also one you don't want to dominate. He keeps spawning those exploding fire orbs to 'cover' you even if there is no enemies :D
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@Axsen: Ah, is that what is happening with win streak? xD Under 10 minutes is entirely possible, if you go rogue, jump in pits and get a bit lucky.
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The freezing condition seems a bit overpowered, the Ice Levels are harder than everyhing else in this game ^^ But it is fun :) 8/10
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i used scroll of domination on Queen Spider, when she laid an egg, it had green circle on them, but when it hatched it be becomes my enemy.. 'you, ungrateful spider! your queen is on my side!' :D
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I managed to get myself trapped behind a gate with no way out by using a Blink scroll onto the visible treasure item behind the gate. I'm an idiot for doing it, but should it have even been possible in the first place?
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If we score 'Highest Win Streak' of All Time with more than 10 consecutive winnings, we're automatically de-registered from the scoreboard (you're probably thinking we're cheating), but 'FastestWinTime' of All Time in less than 10 minutes is acceptable in the scoreboard. Really?
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FINALLY, a game that's not an idle game but it's still GOOD. I have been waiting so long for someone to make a game that's not an idle game, and still make it good. No offense to idle games as they are really fun, but there are wayyy too many right now, and not very many good ones.
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game could use a clearer indicator when you can't do an action you can normally do for some cases. I was trying to move diagonally and it wasn't doing anything; thought something was wrong with my keyboard before I realized it's that I have the slow condition, so moving diagonally isn't possible. I was only moving via hotkey, and it gave no indication that that was the problem
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There seems to be a small chance that the lever needed to open door to the next level does not spawn, I'm stuck on Vault of Yendor 13/16 with no way to open the gate :/
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@Littleheran Rogue is the best at speed running, the only class I can get sub 10 minutes with. All the rest are equally able to sub 20. Merchants sell lots of good stuff, particularly the scrolls, food and pots. I believe the random damage is going to be reduced. All the other points fair enough.
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A short tier list for the classes. Strong: Enchanter, Necromancer, Ice mage. (Charm/Summon skeleton/Freezing cloud are your best-friends.:P) Medium: Ranger, Fire mage, Storm mage. (Can be pretty safe if played slowly since you can walk off and cast strong skills like fireball and tunnel shot etc) but have some risk in speed-run, especially in certain terrain) Weak: Warrior, Barbarian, Rogue. (Just charge straight to the end from level 13 onwards with a combination of scrolls and skills, if you are too obsessed with taking down those ranged units, you can't finish it in 45mins)
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Basically finish with this game for now with most classes below 45min, was fun but honestly can't rate this game a 5/5. The game has some of the most funny enemies I have seen for a while, but seems the devs have zero sense of how to balance a game. You know something is off-track when some of your weapons and enemies can do something between 2 to 20 damages even on empty terrain, and the levels filled with packs of enemies in open-area without corridors, not to mention some of the more unfair ambush/pit trap/teleport trap as well as merchants that sold nothing useful, also when you obtain talent books and weapons that are never useful and the classes are not properly balanced, and when you're doing speed-run but faced lots of level with switches. Jesus, the list just seems to never end. The devs shud have a basic idea about what the player is going to experience, currently you re too obsessed for making different runs different, without considering whether each run is fun or not.
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You seriously need to fix this. Had a wall of fire cast around my back, shift clicked to move through it, but since I clicked ONE square further than the wall instead of on it, the age old "I FOUND A SAFE PATH" derpy algorithm problem moved me closer to the monsters instead of away. This is EXTRA important when the situation is dire enough that you decide to move through the fire instead of using abilities or holding your ground. Clicking away from enemies should NEVER move you toward them.
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The most horrifying thing for dark elf sentinel is not just its kiting attack pattern, but also the extreme slow attack animation which chips off 1 second whenever it attacks. They just ruin my 45-min run with skeleton-based necromancer through this. :D
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finally got got a win with warrior , 40 tries on this save, dont know how many i had before i deleted my cookies, but i atleast have a win with all characters now
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first rogue playthrough was pretty damn good, just a shame that the 6 since then seem to wanna be unwinnable {groups of enemies everywhere and no darn ranged weapons to be seen cept the weakling bow.}
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I did beat the game with enchanter and warrior (and clear optional dungeon too!).
confuse spell is the key for later level.
My warrior was built on stealth, evasion, and reflect with no malee upgrade.
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Barbarian is definitely the hardest class. Spend everything on getting more HP. Get sprint at level 2 and strafe attack at level 4. Try to get a ranged weapon to help with strafing. Rely on consumable items. Scrolls are what makes the last few levels easy.
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Got myself an ice tome-storm mage but it was not until the last level that I get freezing cloud with extra talent point from talent trainer. It turns out that the cloud can conduct electric! And it was a perfect combo XD
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Screw this GAME! Can I play arcade without dying and losing all my stuff??? I spent 2 hours playing on a save and a pit trap sent me to my death. THANKS. RNG shift!
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@raziel334 I once finished with the Ranger (very good range) and once with the Storm mage (great damage against groups), and once nearly with a warrior before I fell to death after clicking wrong^^
General strategy I would say be careful, don't be too conservative with enchanting or items in general, and luck... I'm not sure if every game is beatable, let alone in under 45minutes, but maybe the people on the Discord server can help^^
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Ok, so I really like this game, and I think of myself as an avid gamer.. maybe its bad luck, not sure.. I love that this game has its difficult moments, but I cant seem to get to lv 16. I would like to assume that the fire mage is one of the better classes, he/she has range and area damage and then hope for multi class books.. or straight fighter class for tank purposes.. Soooo? what did "you" beat the game with and what are strategies without give aways?
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Sometimes I loot an item and it says the name of it, but I don't have it in my inventory so it just faded from existence.
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I love when my melee character dies and I start a new game as a ranged/magic character only to forget and charge right in for a silly death
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Btw mages not having resistance of their own is not actually a big problem. In the first 8 levels the mage enemies have too few hp, so that your skills should be able to one shot them, don't fight them with normal attacks unless you have another staff of a different element. The problem appears when you get into 9+ floors where elementals etc start to appear, but at that point you shud have already obtained some scrolls, wands, other talent books and javelins to deal with them, as you should be able to access at least 2 merchants at this point. Mages are still the "easy mode" of this game, with the enchanter being slightly more powerful than the rest.
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lol finish a couple of runs for warrior under 45mins..You know he sucks when you use wand of confusion and scrolls more than any of his skills, especially for some forms of crypt lv4 and vault of yendor lv4 where you have to face monsters inevitably and his native skills are almost useless. The reason why he sucks so much is his lack of sprint, his extra hp cannot compensate for lack of this. In fact even if you have 30+hp and it would still be enough to take 2 hits from elementals and spiders, his extra bulk is pretty pointless, and I am still not brave enough to use him to explore the side dungeons.
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First run and I'm already in love with this game! The game makes me think of Pixel Dungeon. And the music is fun! I'm excited to get this on steam when it releases.
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part 2
It was beautiful, like seeing real world panicked mistakes only in the game... I chuckled thinking 'death by panic, love it'.
I dont know if this was intentional, but it really brought life to the game and inspired me to play another 5 or so times.
Also strafe shot is god tier.
(sorry for a two part, and thus for 3, messages...)