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RamboBatman - Having lots of bad options isn't better than having 1 good option in most cases, so having a lot of options doesn't make Helene good when all of her options are usually subpar. People also like to say how she is cool because she can deal all 3 types of damage, but that is really not a significant advantage at all. |||| As for ValkAnex, Matching speed 7 absolutely should not be ignored - 37 (in powerzone) or even just 25 damage that you wouldn't get in otherwise, nearly every single game? That's better than other items (even after accounting for resistances, dropping damage to 34.3/22.3) which only average 10-20 extra damage per game, and it is highly relevant for all of her moves - not just BC. Throw in an enchant too and you're talking 30.6/46.6 from another BC hit.
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Heh, I played with an opponent, he uses the onimaru while I uses yoshiro. At first, he keeps attack and I always exchange, den he started intercept but that time I stay instead den later he hit but luckily, I change. This support that this games only require you to think like your enemy
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rumiko is a cheat.
rumiko has 70% chance to stun opponent and I have not seen any chance Eviscent does not stun opponent.
from range rumiko use only 35 energy to make 44 damage.
samari is the only guy can beat rumio by using sword flurry but from range, samari is still losing.
rumiko can also switch out without losing damage.
how can anyone beat rumiko , rumiko is too strong by switch and stun.
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Man, long comment not my style, anyway, I think this game is all about psychology, just try to predict your enemy next move =D
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Man, Rambo, you made me do maths. I hate that. Seat of the pants every time hitherto. Turns out the absolute worst-case scenario (long) for Anex/Valk isn't as bad as I assumed. Higgy can't kill without a crit. Phoebe? She's got a 30% chance of not being dead.
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Anyway, I don't think I'll convince you or Twinge that Helene isn't terrible but I'd suggest going to sirlin's page and checking out beta-Helene, she used to be ridiculous and they just went a little overboard when they nerfed her.
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Also, the metagame you mentioned (anex, cc, vv) was around long before ranked was popular (though at the time yoshi was more popular than anex because she had yet to recieve her buffs) and let me tell you, I know how boring playing against the same decks gets; its the main reason I stopped playing top tier kongai. The aspect of the game that has always been the most fun for me is priming my opponents and then violating their expectations for tactical gain. People these days tend to rely on attacks like boomerang chakra in order to finish characters with 100% certainty. While this is a good way to kill a character its much more fun (and certainly better if you can pull it off) to kill with an intercept. Helene, despite her faults (and lord knows she has a few) is useful for forcing switches as people try and take advantage of her less than stellar energy costs.
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Dick: i'm not a mathematician but, 65+4+3=72 potential light damage from an insignia using higashi and anex has 70 hp plus 6 light defense, leaving her at 4. And, while she will die in subsequent turns to the burn, she is alive at least long enough to kill higashi with a toss.
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Nope, un-valked Anex against Insig Hig runs the risk of being toasted without a hit. Thus the Valk. It's the odds you see. Worse case scenario (with valk) is a dead in the water, clutching on to life hig and a dead Anex. The other possibility (50/50)is a dead Anex and two of your characters with huge chunks missing. You were wondering what that Radiance Burst was good for ....
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Yup, Rambo, the mechanics are the same. The meta is different. The high ranking players you've played in unranked aren't putting out the first team. They're putting out their "fun" decks and aren't too concerned if they lose. Immerse yourself in ranked. When you get to R30 you'll have been swimming in a Anex (Valk)/ CC(Necro or girdle)/ VV (Necro or vial) sea for some time.
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Dick: I honestly do not know what you're talking about. Are you discussing the value of valked anex vs. higashi? I believe that all that the valk does in this case is make a winning matchup for anex slightly worse. Unvalked anex takes a chi blast and then kills higashi with power toss. Valked anex simultaneously takes the blast, and probably knocks higashi into the bench. In both cases anex ends up exactly the same but, without the valk higashi is dead and with it he is alive. Also, I don't understand your reference to phoebe (although I realize I've left out powerlash in my previous post).
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Seem's we're writing at the same time Rambo. The scarcity of Cain is due to the proliferation of Anex/Valk and CC. Helene's underpowered or over-costed. You can debate which (or both) but that's all. It's not a concern which pansy-slap she's hitting with.
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Twinge: Finally, 99% of the more than 2000 games I've played occured before the shift to ranked matches. While my skill rank is relatively low (I played to the badge and then pretty much gave up on 3-card) I'm confident I've encountered players of all different skill levels (if not ranks). You claim that high skill rank matches are different from others but, I'm fairly certain the mechanics of the game remain the same. The difference between speed 7 and 5 at range still boils down to 8 moves: chi blast, dark chi blast, tiger frenzy, eye of the tiger, voidstreams, teleport, and ray of light. There are also many speed 7 moves that boomerang now equals but this is of dubious value as it has the potential to prevent Anex from attacking within her innate range. Regardless of skill rank, these are the moves affected by Anex's change in speed, if you think thats worth it then, by all means, valk your Anex.
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RamboBatman, there's no argument against Twinge's Anex/Valk points. 'Specially when you consider the energy costs involved. And assuming she's coming in at long. Higgy 'n' Insig's maybe the biggest threat. But, even if he hits his proc then he's dead in the water. If Anex switches, he's dead in the water. If he misses the proc, you've got two very large chunks missing from your character roster. (Please, no-one mention Pheobe). On the Ashi/Oni front I've got to disagree. Ashi/Valk has significantly more flex/threat than Oni/Anyitem. But, if you've only one valk then it should be on Anex. There's an argument can be made that Anex isn't broken at all: Valk Charm is.
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As for ashi vs. helene, I bring up the topic only because you claim that there can be no arguement made about Helene's quality, when I can make several. Helene has several viable moves in many situations whereas many characters considered superior have only one. VV for instance, is just Double-Slash on a stick, feast of blood is overcosted, ditto ray of light and radiance burst only has limited use as a bench killer (leaving the issue of 5-card tactics to another time). Ashi is similar, she will spend most of her time spamming bleeding slice, handle is a poor finisher despite its speed and power swing is only really useful in preventing pilebunker. Its true that Helene doesn't have a move as good as bleeding slice but, having multiple options makes her much less predictable which is of incalcuable value.
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Twinge: The "drastically important" aspect of the anex vs. valk anex mirror is irrelevant. Anex can't use power toss but, it is simple to prevent valk anex from using hers. Anex is better than Cain without charm and the scarcity of Cain hardly makes schooling him an incentive for charm.
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anex is way too powerfull,she took out my andronema in 1 shot and killed both my battle axed and my trapped in 2 shots
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anex needs 2 fixes: first and foremost - slash needs its speed debuff reduced to 1. 1 is plenty, and as it stacks it would still be HIGHLY effective. second: boomerang (and all attacks that hit a fleeing opponent) should be on a lower proc than 100% - i'd argue for a 50%. that would make her more fun to play with and against.
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@ morganfreeman: for someone who has played close to 600 games and is at sr30, id think youd be a little better mannered than to close the window, instead of forfeiting the 'right' way, after being spanked.
but congrats on being the guy who got me to sr30.
/ragequit ftw.
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RamboBatman - You're missing a drastically important part in the mirror - non-ValkAnex won't even have a chance to use PT at all if ValkAnex procs her PT, which is usually the case (88%). Also, you are drastically underestimating the power of a speed 7, 100%/100% hits fleeing move that can be at 37 damage in powerzone. Anex's innate is significantly better than Cain's even though they're identical, and Valk is the primary reason. Admittedly, part of the reason non-ValkAnex is bad is because there are so many ValkAnexes out there to begin with, but in general Valk is VERY powerful. CandleAnex has decent odds against her in mirror, though is probably still worse overall; haven't seen enough Candle users to really say for sure there. Side note - play ranked more, it's a lot different than unranked. See if you still think ValkAnex sucks when you get in the SR30 range. It's not broken or even required for a good deck, but it's clearly a bit overpowered.
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Haffacracka - Actually Taf vs Oni is pretty close, and I'd usually give the advantage to Oni, though he does have more variance there. You simply have to realize that it's okay to eat an Ambush or Leafy Trap and you're already doing well. |||| Ice_Burner - You are simply wrong, CC has the definite advantage against Oni. There's enough of a guessing game that sometimes Oni can pull off a sneaky DS, but in general Oni cries and wants to get out of there if possible.
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RamboBatman - Average energy cost of moves is pretty irrelevant; you're counting Axe Handle and Enchant Blade in there :P Mostly what one should be looking at is Bleeding Slice and Frenzied Strikes, the primary means of dealing damage, and Ashi definitely has the advantage there. 30 energy is a *lot* less than 40, especially for a monoranger; Helene can be range-danced out of FS much easier than Ashi's BS. While I agree Axe Handle is clearly one of the worst moves in the game, Helene is full of crappy moves, and she lacks something solid like Bleeding Slice to make up for it. For comparison, FS averages a pathetic 22.5 damage unenchanted and only jumps to 36.9 damage enchanted, while BS averages 40.2 damage total -- for less energy and less variance! Obviously there's a lot more to it than that, but the comparison is still noteworthy. (Slash averages 25.0). Personally I prefer Oni for my tanking needs anyway, but any decent player will choose Ashi over Helene and for good reason.
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You automatically get the win if they leave.
(and they also get a loss so it doesn't matter if you try to run.)
So you should get the badge, whichever one it is.
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Lol I agree. I wiped out two of the people with just the daywalker and so he just left. It was funny though, I owned him. =D
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this sucks, every time I get a good intercept my opponent chicken out and disconnects and now I still dont have my friggin badge
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Actually, the biggest attributes for Anex involve here slow down + her bonus damage when low on HP. If you calculate wrong while doing something to her, and she gets a big hit back, chances are you will get messed up.