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# MORE FILTER??? OMG, JO, WHYYYYY? #
As many people have brought up over the years, a lot of the problematic behavior in on Kongregate is from accounts created solely to cause trouble. We're going to begin addressing that problem by applying a *stricter set of rules* to users who are new *or* who keep saying things they aren't supposed to say a high percentage of the time.
The best example this is the ability to post website links. If a player has a positive history, we want them to be able to post links from youtube, image hosting sites, or use link shorteners. On the other hand, a new account might spam their personal channel, post something inappropriate, or post something harassing towards another user and not care if we ban the account. If someone is new or if they have misused this privilege in the past, they will be restricted from posting these things.
So, we're no longer having the same rules for everyone.
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# HOW WILL IT BE DIFFERENT? #
**In Chat**
Initially: Lots more stars, I'm afraid, however, my hope is that when users realize that they can't make a new accounts and spam their link here, we'll be even less attractive to spammers. We're sure people will try to find ways around it, and we appreciate reports. You can private message me or post in this thread, or even email support@kongregate.com.
We also hope this will decrease the ability of players to harass players in more serious ways.
As I'm able to experiment more: There are some rules, especially some of the multiple word rules, that I hope to loosen up for the more trusted users but keep them in effect for the users who haven't unlocked trust. There will also be some language that I'll further restrict for newer users.
**Important** If something you try to say in chat gets filtered, please don't keep trying to say it repeatedly. If you're sure it's a mistake, report it. But in some cases, it could cause your chat to be more restricted. Don't worry, though, it will wear off again by chatting politely for awhile. Don't test the filter, just report what you noticed and the account that was filtered.
I don't expect this to be perfect or solve all problems, but I expect this period of extra attention to lead to some good results.
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# HOW WILL IT BE DIFFERENT? #
**In the forums**: If you haven't earned the privilege of posting a links/images yet, then if your post contains an image or link, your post will be held until and admin reviews it.
Most users will see something like this:
Please be patient! During the first week or so, we will probably go through all the hidden posts at least twice a day. If your account is brand new, your posts might be premoderated for awhile, but if you've been around for awhile and use our social features positively, we'll manually change your status so you can post links without them getting hidden for a time. If your posts keep getting hidden again, you are probably using some pretty bad language or mentioning some awful sites in your posts, or something is wrong. Email support@kongregate.com and we'll investigate!
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I personally welcome the additional restriction. Nothing like more rules to appreciate the freedoms we're given.
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nice I honestly thought y'all were going full PC and banning cuss words from the forums as well
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> *Originally posted by **[ajx30009](/forums/1/topics/1839151?page=1#13159313)**:*
> nice I honestly thought y'all were going full PC and banning cuss words from the forums as well
OT would go up in flames.
**EDIT:** Hold on a second....
> If your posts keep getting hidden again, you are probably using some **pretty bad language** or mentioning some awful sites in your posts, or something is wrong. Email support@kongregate.com and we'll investigate!
I don't like this bot.
**EDIT EDIT:** It's for really bad language.
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> *Originally posted by **[JohannasGarden](/forums/1/topics/1839151?page=1#13158948)**:*
> # HOW WILL IT BE DIFFERENT? #
> **In the forums**: If you haven't earned the privilege of posting a links/images yet, then if your post contains an image or link, your post will be held until and admin reviews it.
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> Most users will see something like this:
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> Please be patient! During the first week or so, we will probably go through all the hidden posts at least twice a day. If your account is brand new, your posts might be premoderated for awhile, but if you've been around for awhile and use our social features positively, we'll manually change your status so you can post links without them getting hidden for a time. If your posts keep getting hidden again, you are probably using some pretty bad language or mentioning some awful sites in your posts, or something is wrong. Email support@kongregate.com and we'll investigate!
While I support trying to block the spammers, I got the "post requires Administrator review"
But this wasn't in a public forum, I'm the moderator for my guild posts which is only available to guild members and I have been making these type of posts weekly for 4 years, shouldn't I already have been approved without a review?
It did get approved but being as I need to make a few changes shortly after I don't want to wait to finish the post of information my guild wants for the current event.
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This is... annoying, to say the least. The old filter was vastly less irritating.
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> *Originally posted by **[dsblackout](/forums/1/topics/1839151?page=1#13160223)**:*
> This is... annoying, to say the least. The old filter was vastly less irritating.
No kidding I just made a slight text update to an already approved post and now I'm locked out waiting for review again and not being able to provide our guild with event information.
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I for one approve of these surprise moderation mechanics. It keeps the forums fresh and intresting. \*twitch\*
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Good thing I'm retiring from the forums soon so i don't have to worry about this BS
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good thing ive built up a ton of pseudo-swears over the past few years, I'm solid
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So, more people are initially getting "pre-moderated" than I thought would be the case, and I apologize for that. We had been sending data to show me posts that would be filtered when we turned the system on, but it turned out that I didn't have all the settings correct for some of the forums. I didn't realize this until we did turn it on and some spamposts weren't being hidden as expected :( I expect this to get sorted out before long, and again, I'm sorry more people are having to go through the "pre-moderation" stage than we'd hoped.
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Honestly I think the forum "pre-moderation" system is like trying to take out forum spambots with a thermonuclear bomb.
The worst thing about is editing a post's text forces the post back to review, and this can **hide threads from public view**.
I have no proof a Chess Evolved Online piecemaker tourney even exists due to this
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This is really not good. I don't see why such an insanely extreme moderation method needs to be enforced. Seems more harmful than good IMO since there's gonna be massive wait times now for threads that use links.
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Can we lax the rules on posting links that are to kongregate.com games? Last night I saw someone post with a 20 post history that's released 3 games, but their post was hidden for review because they were posting their newest GiTD entry game link. I thought any Kong/Kart/Zendesk links were allowed to be posted but maybe I'm misremembering that.
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> *Originally posted by **[say892](/forums/1/topics/1839151?page=1#13161878)**:*
> Can we lax the rules on posting links that are to kongregate.com games? Last night I saw someone post with a 20 post history that's released 3 games, but their post was hidden for review because they were posting their newest GiTD entry game link. I thought any Kong/Kart/Zendesk links were allowed to be posted but maybe I'm misremembering that.
> *Originally posted by **[James1011R](/forums/1/topics/1839151?page=1#13161809)**:*
> Honestly I think the forum "pre-moderation" system is like trying to take out forum spambots with a thermonuclear bomb.
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> The worst thing about is editing a post's text forces the post back to review, and this can **hide threads from public view**.
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> I have no proof a Chess Evolved Online piecemaker tourney even exists due to this
> *Originally posted by **[say892](/forums/1/topics/1839151?page=1#13161878)**:*
> Can we lax the rules on posting links that are to kongregate.com games? Last night I saw someone post with a 20 post history that's released 3 games, but their post was hidden for review because they were posting their newest GiTD entry game link. I thought any Kong/Kart/Zendesk links were allowed to be posted but maybe I'm misremembering that.
It isn't! I'll post a message in the forum and I have escalated the problem to our third party provider. In the meantime, I'll go to the GiTD thread and make sure all entrants can post *and* I'll post a tip. I'm very sorry that the transition has been rougher than I'd hoped :(
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You know I didn't actually read this thread until now, but holy shit is this actually a really good change. No more shitty gimmick alt accounts on OT.
Thank you, mum.
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> *Originally posted by **[BloodScourge](/forums/1/topics/1839151?page=1#13162054)**:*
> You know I didn't actually read this thread until now, but holy shit is this actually a really good change. No more shitty gimmick alt accounts on OT.
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> Thank you, mum.
It only stops them from posting links & images, and the person who runs those accounts is most likely aware so the gimmicks will still exist.
Also, [this exists](https://www.kongregate.com/forums/2-off-topic/topics/1839707-this-isnt-a-shit-post-its-a-guano-post#posts-13161612)
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> *Originally posted by **[BloodScourge](/forums/1/topics/1839151?page=1#13162054)**:*
> You know I didn't actually read this thread until now, but holy shit is this actually a really good change. No more shitty gimmick alt accounts on OT.
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> Thank you, mum.
As Holy said, it's limited, however....well, we'll see how this goes. Let's just say that *some* gimmick could have all ended up having their first posts hidden because all their first posts would have contained an image or link. I haven't quite decided on policy on those. I'm more likely to notice bandwagon gimmick alts faster, but I'll chat with y'all about that on another week, I think :)
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Ah well still, it may help slowing them down. It'll definitely get rid of spambots that's for sure.
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If I look at this forum, perhaps we should still keep those 'first post cant be links' in. ^_^
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I have 139 posts, none of which have been moderated or deleted as far as I know. My account is 11 years old. Seeing as the goal of the changes was to hamper new and badly behaving accounts, why couldn't I post a youtube link (assuming that is why the post was held)? Seems I don't fall into either problem group.
This post says "During the first week or so, we will probably go through all the hidden posts at least twice a day." It has been over 2 days, so at least 4 sweeps, and it hasn't been acted on. Why? Here is the link to the post: https://www.kongregate.com/forums/727068-technical-issues-feedback/topics/1840291-swole-bug-having-attack-but-not-attacking
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> *Originally posted by **[JohannasGarden](/forums/1/topics/1839151?page=1#13158948)**:*
> # HOW WILL IT BE DIFFERENT? #
> **In the forums**: If you haven't earned the privilege of posting a links/images yet, then if your post contains an image or link, your post will be held until and admin reviews it.
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> Most users will see something like this:
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> Please be patient! During the first week or so, we will probably go through all the hidden posts at least twice a day. If your account is brand new, your posts might be premoderated for awhile, but if you've been around for awhile and use our social features positively, we'll manually change your status so you can post links without them getting hidden for a time. If your posts keep getting hidden again, you are probably using some pretty bad language or mentioning some awful sites in your posts, or something is wrong. Email support@kongregate.com and we'll investigate!
When should an user get the posting external links priv? (Includes images)
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Both of you above me should already not be having your posts hidden even if they contain links or images. Isol, I am having trouble with that one post of yours and am trying to see why I can't get it to appear.--working on it, my apologies. h4ch34, I'll check your posts right after that.
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