Too bad you didn't get those 171 Kreds with the offerwall, so you could have not spend 523 Kreds on anything at all.

> *Originally posted by **[Sandoumir](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13646133)**:* > Too bad you didn't get those 171 Kreds with the offerwall, so you could have not spend 523 Kreds on anything at all. I never did those things. I never saw the point.

Reading this thread and all i feel is pain. Was a beautiful website of my childhood, but now is nothing short of a dump. I made wonderful friends on this game, and had some great memories. A shameful waste to see this site go down like this.

> *Originally posted by **[SataiDelenn](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13646134)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[Sandoumir](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13646133)**:* > > Too bad you didn't get those 171 Kreds with the offerwall, so you could have not spend 523 Kreds on anything at all. > > I never did those things. I never saw the point. Is there a way to transfer kreds to other users?

> *Originally posted by **[Senekis93](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13652246)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[SataiDelenn](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13646134)**:* > > > *Originally posted by **[Sandoumir](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13646133)**:* > > > Too bad you didn't get those 171 Kreds with the offerwall, so you could have not spend 523 Kreds on anything at all. > > > > I never did those things. I never saw the point. > > Is there a way to transfer kreds to other users? Not that I know of.

> *Originally posted by **[SataiDelenn](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13652250)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[Senekis93](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13652246)**:* > > > *Originally posted by **[SataiDelenn](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13646134)**:* > > > > *Originally posted by **[Sandoumir](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13646133)**:* > > > > Too bad you didn't get those 171 Kreds with the offerwall, so you could have not spend 523 Kreds on anything at all. > > > > > > I never did those things. I never saw the point. > > > > Is there a way to transfer kreds to other users? > > Not that I know of. That's a shame. I've got a decent amount left from a decade ago. It'd be nice if there was a way to give them away to someone who can make some use of them.

To my knowledge, kred transfers have been done before by people hosting various contests, but the process was done by the admins, and they discontinued it (I assume to prevent possible abuse with the 10 kreds one gets for doing the Kongregate Explored trophy) a while ago. Probably the best thing to do with them is find any dev left that you like that has a game with kred transaction and spend it to support them or something along that line.

All things must come to an end. This site was amazing back in the day.

Please shut it down already

This was a good site, with lots of good games and good memories. RIP.

im here in 2021 about to be 2022 realizing that its a dead site. wow. the memories.

I just don't understand the business decisions here by MTG. $55 million isn't exactly cheap, plus ongoing server and moderation costs. Why spend the money just to run it into the ground? Is "Animation Throwdown" really such a valuable IP off-platform? Has MTG made its money back on Kreds? Does it plan to? Are there even enough whales left? It's so weird to me.

> *Originally posted by **[dorestes](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13656095)**:* > I just don't understand the business decisions here by MTG. $55 million isn't exactly cheap, plus ongoing server and moderation costs. Why spend the money just to run it into the ground? Is "Animation Throwdown" really such a valuable IP off-platform? Has MTG made its money back on Kreds? Does it plan to? Are there even enough whales left? It's so weird to me. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. It is very common to buy a company if it's a rival in some way, and then close it down or run it into the ground in order to eliminate said competition. I've seen it happen to a local company I used to buy from. It's main competitor bought it out, and within 6 months, shut it down. The company which was shut down was the superior company. However, now, only the second best is left.

I doubt that's the case here, MTG had no holdings that would be threatened by a browser game site where most games didn't even have an option to buy premium currency. GameStop was allegedly horrified to realize just how little Kongregate makes for its owner after they bought it; that's why we suddenly had extra ads and the Kong+ subscriptions that existed entirely to disable the ads most of us were already blocking anyways. MTG may have been the same and decided to force them to be profitable in other ways (Kartridge) or shut down everything that wasn't generating profit for them.. or may have bought the site knowing full well that Kong's money-sucking app store offerings were what was truly valuable. Either way, the apps are what's left and they must be maintaining profitability or the teams wouldn't have been around long enough to finish TMNT and reskin Royal Idle for Spongebob.

It seems far fetched to think Kongregate was bought with the intention of closing it down, to eliminate competition, for two reasons. First the games industry doesn't work like that. It's not like airlines, or broadband, where a handful of companies dominate the market. There are countless games companies in a diverse and ever changing market. Buy a company and close it down? The people let go can just start another company – and this happens time and time again in games. Second Kongregate like all other sites hosting Flash games was going to lose 90%+ of its business. In fact it started losing business long before the end of 2020, as new Flash game development mostly stopped and the attraction of the site faded. No matter who owned it the site needed to downscale massively, or close. It might even be the sale is the only thing that kept it going. Without new investment it might have gone the way of the vast majority of sites hosting Flash games, and closed down.

> *Originally posted by **[JWBSoftware](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13656191)**:* > It seems far fetched to think Kongregate was bought with the intention of closing it down, to eliminate competition, for two reasons. First the games industry doesn't work like that. It's not like airlines, or broadband, where a handful of companies dominate the market. There are countless games companies in a diverse and ever changing market. Buy a company and close it down? The people let go can just start another company – and this happens time and time again in games. > > Second Kongregate like all other sites hosting Flash games was going to lose 90%+ of its business. In fact it started losing business long before the end of 2020, as new Flash game development mostly stopped and the attraction of the site faded. No matter who owned it the site needed to downscale massively, or close. > > It might even be the sale is the only thing that kept it going. Without new investment it might have gone the way of the vast majority of sites hosting Flash games, and closed down. Right, but I figured that a company that spent $55 million on a Flash game site *knowing* that Flash was ending, would devote, I don't know, maybe 2% of that investment to programmers dedicated to figuring out how to keep Flash games viable via an emulator/workaround and generating revenue. I have to imagine that a $1 million investment in programmers spending a year on the problem would have yielded a workable emulator at least for the most poular games. But instead it seems like they weren't working on it at all. Which leaves the obvious answer that they didn't buy Kongregate for the community, audiences or the vast library of games and relevant Kreds/ad revenue. But then...what was the value proposition here? Animation Throwdown? The "Kongregate" name? None of that is remotely worth $55 million.

the probs spent it paying their moderators

> *Originally posted by **[Sariah_BTS](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13656695)**:* > the probs spent it paying their moderators Which moderators would that be? The ones they fired over a year ago, or the ones who VOLUNTEER their time?

it was a joke poking fun at the now extict species of poop tier moderators that derived their recompense from power tripping on randoms in chatrooms.

> *Originally posted by **[Sariah_BTS](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13656993)**:* > it was a joke poking fun at the now extict species of poop tier moderators that derived their recompense from power tripping on randoms in chatrooms. Once I saw mod powertripping esculate to the point a user got admins involved and the mod had to apologise

> *Originally posted by **[Tola](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13656141)**:* > I doubt that's the case here, MTG had no holdings that would be threatened by a browser game site where most games didn't even have an option to buy premium currency. GameStop was allegedly horrified to realize just how little Kongregate makes for its owner after they bought it; that's why we suddenly had extra ads and the Kong+ subscriptions that existed entirely to disable the ads most of us were already blocking anyways. MTG may have been the same and decided to force them to be profitable in other ways (Kartridge) or shut down everything that wasn't generating profit for them.. or may have bought the site knowing full well that Kong's money-sucking app store offerings were what was truly valuable. Either way, the apps are what's left and they must be maintaining profitability or the teams wouldn't have been around long enough to finish TMNT and reskin Royal Idle for Spongebob. lol. Gamestonks in charge of making profits...

> *Originally posted by **[Ethanhead258](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13657314)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[Sariah_BTS](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13656993)**:* > > it was a joke poking fun at the now extict species of poop tier moderators that derived their recompense from power tripping on randoms in chatrooms. > > Once I saw mod powertripping esculate to the point a user got admins involved and the mod had to apologise based

> *Originally posted by **[Sariah_BTS](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13657448)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[Ethanhead258](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13657314)**:* > > > *Originally posted by **[Sariah_BTS](/forums/1/topics/1920699?page=9#13656993)**:* > > > it was a joke poking fun at the now extict species of poop tier moderators that derived their recompense from power tripping on randoms in chatrooms. > > > > Once I saw mod powertripping esculate to the point a user got admins involved and the mod had to apologise > > based I'm sorry; "based" on what? A complete sentence would be helpful.