It appears I made some mistakes with my main team. They are to far along to rebuild something new at this point, so I'm going to have to spend the Gems to dump some pretty strong skills in order to fix them. DPS is great, but survivabiity needs some work... They pretty much only die when they get 1 shot, but that happens a lot. Currently at 5/153 as my farthest point, and getting waxed by tower 10. Team from front to back with my thoughts on saving them: Demon King lvl 185 Escapist 17 psychic shield 14 (switch to Strange magic ?) Repurpose 17 Sneaky 16 (May switch out) Stealy 13 (swap for mud shield?) Vampire 17 Demon King lvl 209 Addict 20 Combat blessing 17 Escapist 17 Killing streak 17 (mud shield/strange magic swap?) Tribalism 16 Vampire 13 Angel lvl 141 Ancient power 4 (just switched, removed heal, more on this later) Combat Blessing 16 Healing aura 14 (probably switch to strange magic) Horse energy 13 Mud shield 14 Tactical 14 Demond King lvl 200 Addict 18 Greedy 18 Intensity 9 Team Player 17 Tribalism 15 Vampire 9 (recent switch to allow me to drop healer from angel) Demon King lvl 149 Ancient power 17 Piercing 14 Tactical 14 Team Player 17 Tribalism 14 Vampire 13 With everyone packing vampire healer became useless. DPS starts at aroubnd 100Mil before i feed potions to up the addicts. each vampire hit heals more than 10x the max hp. They only die if they get one shot, leave 1 hp and they fully heal next attack. Now I just need to figure out how to keep them from getting one shot, hence why I'm considering moving in some more Mud shield, strange magic. Even with a large defence potion tower 10 one shots my monsters. Any thoughts on how to fix it? I'm resigned to having to buy gems, but I want to figure it out before I start

You can make your team a bit better, but there are some significant fundamental limitations to that team. 1) You have demon physical dps, you are using a demon physical tank. ( Deflect, Lobotomize, and Mesmerize will be deadly) 2) Not enough physical pierce. Without this your dps will get one shot via deflect. You have multiple dps. You only need one team member with pure dps traits like addict and kill streak. Ancient power: Why? This just adds to the one shot problem. You should include speeds of your team members. Rather important stat for deciding roles. I would suggest: Switch tank to a Pegasus. The tank that should be hitting for much less then its total hp to mitigate Deflect, Lobotomize, and Mesmerize. Thus your tank needs healing by other then vampire. Add physical pierce to all demon kings. Ditch Ancient power. Need to know speeds to suggest anything more.

> *Originally posted by **[Ochiix](/forums/1042299/topics/1854027?page=1#13215989)**:* > You can make your team a bit better, but there are some significant fundamental limitations to that team. > 1) You have demon physical dps, you are using a demon physical tank. ( Deflect, Lobotomize, and Mesmerize will be deadly) > 2) Not enough physical pierce. Without this your dps will get one shot via deflect. > > You have multiple dps. You only need one team member with pure dps traits like addict and kill streak. > Ancient power: Why? This just adds to the one shot problem. > You should include speeds of your team members. Rather important stat for deciding roles. > > I would suggest: > Switch tank to a Pegasus. The tank that should be hitting for much less then its total hp to mitigate Deflect, Lobotomize, and Mesmerize. Thus your tank needs healing by other then vampire. > Add physical pierce to all demon kings. > Ditch Ancient power. > > Need to know speeds to suggest anything more. > > I havent had any issues with Deflect, according to tooltip it can only return 60% of HP, and vampire overheals every hit. Lobotomize and Mesmerize of course are a death sentence. speeds, front to back to match the order above are: 2.06, 1.89, 1.84, 2.18, 2.16 I had considered the tank switch, I've been building some other options to try out. I have a pegasus I had built for a mage team also that with some tweaking could work. Other tank options: Pegasus lvl 135 speed 2.14 Arcane knowledge lvl12 Healing aura lvl 8 Intensity lvl 8 Optimized heal lvl 14 Strange magic lvl 12 Tribalism lvl 11 Only Skills i imagine I could keep would be optimized heal and strange magic for this guy to work Healtank Angel: lvl 79: speed 2.01 Healer lvl 8 healing aura lvl 4 Holy Spirit lvl 8 Optimized heal lvl 11 repurpose lvl 4 Vampire lvl 9 This guy was built with lobo/mesm in mind. everything he hits, including himself, is a full heal.would take some time to catch him up in levels. but angels have huge health pools,

I have also got the impression that my DK in the second position was to slow for DPS and 1.89 as he rarely gets to land a shot. Other options I could build on: Pegasus lvl 112 Currently a support/dps cross build. spd 2.18 addict, darkness, greedy, growl, excapist and focus Cerberus lvl 80 SPD 2.15 deflect, psychic shield, repurpose, sneaky, steely, vampire Various other lower level Angels, Pegasus, Cerberus, PHoenix, couple of dukes, and a Crit Gorrila

Your healer at 1.84 is slowest so will be a very inneffective at healing. Your 2.14 speed pegasus is slower then your two top speed dps at 2.16, 2.18. Not looking good. Unfortunatly I am not seeing much that can be done without serious re-build. To my best knowledge for a team build of tank, healer, two support, one dps. You want healer with highest speed, primary dps with second best speed(if using kill streak, else doesn't matter as much.) The primary dps is ideally one shotting everything so only healer and dps are hitting the enemy. Which is why you need healer, to heal the teams incidental damage becuase the tank, and support shouldn't be hitting and thus making vampire on them low value. I don't see how you can do that with your existing team without non trivial re-work. A Pegasus heal-tank with speed >2.18 while eventaully replaceing the angel with a Duke or another Demon king. Is probably your best bet to keeping your team mostly as is.

just to update, did some wholesail changes after all. With infuse added to the game it made sense to do it now. Team is working much better, currently on 8th reset. Tank pegasus SPD 2.19 Level 209 Fuse 3,7 Combat blessing Horse energy Mud Shield Optimized heal Strange Magic Vampire Main DPS, DK SPD 2.18 level 239 fuse 3.7 Addict Greedy Intensity Team Player Tribalism Vampire Res/support Angel SPD 1.84 LVL 179 fuse 3,7 Ancient power Combat blessing Healing aura Horse energy Tactical Mud shield Support DK SPD 2.16 fuse 2,4 LVL 179 Ancient Power Piercing (likely will change, probably combat blessing or strange magic) Tactical Team Player Tribalism Vampire Support/back tank Duke SPD 1.5 LVL 209 Fuse 3,8 Combat blessing Horse Energy Strange Magic Team Player Tribalism Vampire Team is working out really nice. I actually tank quite a bit with the DPS DK in the human section where there is no lobo. really huge improvements with new set up