mkay so im at ~e488 particles. i have every achievment save the last 3 colloms, and the last tax+/no acc/mult challenges. i have every research except the 25,000,000,000 cost one, and 4 of the yellow researches that only increase xp for specific runes. my tax+ is at 16, my no acc/mult is at 12, and i cannot get either any higher after about a day or so of being stuck at that spot. unobtainum ghrowth from resets has become so low that its never worth doing anymore, as its always well below what ive already got unless i idle for like 8 hours. then i get a whole extra e1. so what the hell? why do i seem to have hit a wall with seemingly no way past, as ive bought everything tht has any effect on production and is actually possible to buy. spen quarks on the shop talisman, thinking it actually DID something. for some reason thats unlocked long before you can actually use it, so wasted quarks right there. thanks dev. so if the answer was "pump the shop" thats not possible because the dev allows you to spend 1500 quarks you can never get back, on features you cannot even access, and i guess ill just be never playing this again.

> *Originally posted by **[capkloud](/forums/1071251/topics/1918227?page=1#13429177)**:* > mkay so im at ~e488 particles. i have every achievment save the last 3 colloms, and the last tax+/no acc/mult challenges. i have every research except the 25,000,000,000 cost one, and 4 of the yellow researches that only increase xp for specific runes. > > my tax+ is at 16, my no acc/mult is at 12, and i cannot get either any higher after about a day or so of being stuck at that spot. unobtainum ghrowth from resets has become so low that its never worth doing anymore, as its always well below what ive already got unless i idle for like 8 hours. then i get a whole extra e1. > > so what the hell? why do i seem to have hit a wall with seemingly no way past, as ive bought everything tht has any effect on production and is actually possible to buy. spen quarks on the shop talisman, thinking it actually DID something. for some reason thats unlocked long before you can actually use it, so wasted quarks right there. thanks dev. so if the answer was "pump the shop" thats not possible because the dev allows you to spend 1500 quarks you can never get back, on features you cannot even access, and i guess ill just be never playing this again. Well, one way that should really help you progress is to get the yellow researches, and after that get your runes to maybe 350/300/200/250.

i alredy have all my runes to ~200, so it takes a ridiculous number of them to even gain a single level. is that seriously all i can do, spend ridiculous ammounts of unobtanium for miniscule gains for several days, then pump everything into runes and hope for the best? that seems like a really poor decision for a gameplay loop.

yea that wall sucked hard. it's the ants your waiting on. getting to the e40 crumbs to sac then their loop to buid up is the next stage before you can get futher. it picks back up semi quick after but the slog to e40-e100 sucks

i cant even get ants yet because i cant do the first cost ++ challenge.

Have you tried setting your auto reincarnate to the recommended amount for offerings on your runes page? That may help a bit. Also, focus on the second and fourth rune the most, emphasis on the fourth as it has two upgrades that scale up. You cana probably focus your rune research like this too to get more exp for your runes. Also, the respec feature should allow you to get a refund on the 1500 quark talisman too right?

> *Originally posted by **[Metom](/forums/1071251/topics/1918227?page=1#13429426)**:* > Also, the respec feature should allow you to get a refund on the 1500 quark talisman too right? The description for the talisman specificaly says that it cannot be refunded. Sensible people see the warnings, and export a save right before buying so that they can undo if it doesn't look worth it.

> *Originally posted by **[Haaretram](/forums/1071251/topics/1918227?page=1#13429470)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[Metom](/forums/1071251/topics/1918227?page=1#13429426)**:* > > Also, the respec feature should allow you to get a refund on the 1500 quark talisman too right? > > The description for the talisman specificaly says that it cannot be refunded. Sensible people see the warnings, and export a save right before buying so that they can undo if it doesn't look worth it. sensible developers dont let you waste a massive amount of a limited resource on something they dont let you use yet.

This game is so wierd. So active, then so idle, then a bit active again. Slowed down massively again at e3100 particles and e27 crumbs.

jesus that took disgustingly long. the dev better fix this pathetic excuse for balance, because a full week of waiting because the only upgrades left to buy cost an hour of resources per level is ridiculous.

> *Originally posted by **[capkloud](/forums/1071251/topics/1918227?page=1#13429477)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[Haaretram](/forums/1071251/topics/1918227?page=1#13429470)**:* > > > *Originally posted by **[Metom](/forums/1071251/topics/1918227?page=1#13429426)**:* > > > Also, the respec feature should allow you to get a refund on the 1500 quark talisman too right? > > > > The description for the talisman specificaly says that it cannot be refunded. Sensible people see the warnings, and export a save right before buying so that they can undo if it doesn't look worth it. > > sensible developers dont let you waste a massive amount of a limited resource on something they dont let you use yet. So the shop talisman should be locked until you unlock the talisman feature by completing C9 once.

> *Originally posted by **[capkloud](/forums/1071251/topics/1918227?page=1#13432560)**:* > jesus that took disgustingly long. the dev better fix this pathetic excuse for balance, because a full week of waiting because the only upgrades left to buy cost an hour of resources per level is ridiculous. Dude, if you can't read a description that says that you can't refund that upgrade once you buy it then it's not a dev problem. Even in the Achievements section says that c9 unlocks Talismans. So instead of complain about the game, and spend the 1.5k Quarks on an upgrade that you ''thought'' that it was going to help, you can ask everyone in the game's chat or Discord.