> *Originally posted by **[911ultima](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=10#posts-5739326):*** > > OMG! YES YES. been looking for this for ever. this shows the true dedication of IFS and why it has stood through everything and will continue to stand strong Although please Pescado come back to annoy shian?

> *Originally posted by **[lonelyterrorist](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=11#posts-5739400):*** > > *Originally posted by **[911ultima](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=10#posts-5739326):*** > > > > OMG! YES YES. been looking for this for ever. this shows the true dedication of IFS and why it has stood through everything and will continue to stand strong > > Although please Pescado come back to annoy shian? Yes please, I sorry for not knowing who you are if that helps with you coming back.

nubs these days no not of the history that makes us great

> *Originally posted by **[911ultima](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=11#posts-5740446):*** > > nubs these days no not of the history that makes us great I’ve been playing since April of last year….. And I’m a nub still? qq

> *Originally posted by **[The\_Lone\_Pisces](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=11#posts-5741343):*** > > *Originally posted by **[911ultima](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=11#posts-5740446):*** > > > > nubs these days no not of the history that makes us great > > I’ve been playing since April of last year….. And I’m a nub still? qq March for me. stfu shian incarnate.

> *Originally posted by **[911ultima](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=10#posts-5739326):*** > > OMG! YES YES. been looking for this for ever. this shows the true dedication of IFS and why it has stood through everything and will continue to stand strong I think necro-ing the IFS war diary thread would have been cooler.

+1, We need limits.

> *Originally posted by **[Redlaw](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=11#posts-5741502):*** > > +1, We need limits. Can’t tell if trolling or just very stupid. this is a thread from July 2011. Infamy has existed for a long time and made the game into a boring grindfest. The whiners have won and the winners have been banned.

> *Originally posted by **[Egalisator](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=11#posts-5741511):*** > > *Originally posted by **[Redlaw](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=11#posts-5741502):*** > > > > +1, We need limits. > > Can’t tell if trolling or just very stupid. this is a thread from July 2011. Infamy has existed for a long time and made the game into a boring grindfest. The whiners have won and the winners have been banned. Can tell if trolling, and very stupid. _Botters_ were banned. Game was a grindfest before infamy.

It’s ridiculous how people were soo sure it was bots. Especially since the bots learned surging so much faster than anyone else back then. And yes, it got out of hand, but alliances were kinda fun. The “botters” did make suggestions about middle ways (not unlimited, but not 1v1 like now). It was not their fault that the system favored gang attacks over anything else. … I really missed this kind of discussion/trolling ^^

oh yeah the good old times…. Empire vs. alliance, WW 2, the drama, the QQing….back then tyrant was quite interesting xD And now….yawn. No drama, no faction bashing, nothing interesting apart from telling shian he should shut up. I know the old times sucked in some aspects, still it was cooler then.

> *Originally posted by **[Egalisator](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=11#posts-5741533):*** > > It’s ridiculous how people were soo sure it was bots. Especially since the bots learned surging so much faster than anyone else back then. And yes, it got out of hand, but alliances were kinda fun. The “botters” did make suggestions about middle ways (not unlimited, but not 1v1 like now). It was not their fault that the system favored gang attacks over anything else. > > … I really missed this kind of discussion/trolling ^^ 24/7 activity was a bit of a giveaway, unless you buy Pescado’s alarm clock explanation. Here’s my favourite Pescado alt, [http://www.kongregate.com/forums/65-tyrant/topics/207311?page=3](http://www.kongregate.com/forums/65-tyrant/topics/207311?page=3). It’s a “military veteran” explaining that Pescado is better than a great leader, and the only man he’s felt like a shadow to. (Despite serving 6 years in the military, and only knowing Pescado via a flash game.)

So you’d rather admit that you lost to bots (which is very humiliating since bots are stupid) than even consider the other options there are for 24/7 activity?

I challenge your assumption that bots are stupid. They are as smart as they are implemented. There are degrees in sophistication, and it was not simple auto-clickers that was used. From what I have gathered, early server to client communication had numerous exploits that could be leveraged to create intelligent bots. This requires knowing how to intercept and interpret data sent during server to client communication. Sending commands to the server is as simple as whipping up some HTTP POSTs, with proper authentication. This means that sophisticated bots can pick which card to play, just like a human. It was documented that a private (and _fast_) battlesim was available to Covert Ops members. Some members also had tools that allowed you to see the order of AI def deck cards to be played. It’s fairly well known that def decks were also easily discoverable. With enough effort, these tools can be used to create “bots” that adapt fight (or surge) decks based on the defense distribution, and then intelligently play cards with full knowledge of what cards the opponents would play. (Note: many of these security exploits are now closed thanks to the efforts/exploits of folks like Inorix, 0hio and NETRAT.) The weight of evidence and testimonies of former Covert Ops members all support the conclusion that the armies that once grieved IFS and other alliance factions were indeed sophisticated automaton. Now the purpose developing of these bot armies is clearly to grieve other players and seek attention. The more the community dwells on the “bot” aspect of Tyrant history, the more we fulfill the desires of the griever. Let’s not do that. **I highly recommend shifting the focus of conversation back to the perseverance of IFS and its members.**

Hm. I have a bot that also does not click the quit button. Zero lines of code. Perseverance: 100%. Win rate: 90% of what the non-bot players could achieve, as proven by the opening post. As history is made by the winners, let us introduce an “IFS members did not click the button” memorial day. Bercause that was so hard.

Your reductionistic approach to analyzing the situation suggests that you do not have a firm grasp of the typical motivations for playing a MMOCCG or how this impacts player behaviour. Therefore this is a discussion not worth having.

Actually, as far as playing itself is concerned: Being farmed to the ground does not make using the fight or surge buttons harder, either. They don’t have a spring that gives more resistance the further down your FP are or anything. After Tyrant WW2, my faction was crappy activity-wise and lost FP. Did not disbanding and merging into a stronger faction make me a hero? No, it was just stupid. Sacrificing acess to better reward cards in order to have a pretense for forum trolling. Thanks for feeding me, by the way. Tasty. I do respect IFS for making machete factions useless due to them getting out of the high damage range (iirc Pecado had to disband a lot of those thanks to you guys), and for continuing to bind them instead of just quitting like others. But it’s obviously not as impressive as what the other side did.

> *Originally posted by **[kagrunz](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=11#posts-5741567):*** > > oh yeah the good old times…. > Empire vs. alliance, WW 2, the drama, the QQing….back then tyrant was quite interesting xD > And now….yawn. No drama, no faction bashing, nothing interesting apart from telling shian he should shut up. I know the old times sucked in some aspects, still it was cooler then. +1… just because.

registered in april (first badge 04.04), started playing right after blight expansion was released :\>

Someone should start a petition to get rid of infamy.

> *Originally posted by **[OOHnirav](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=11#posts-6399049):*** > > Someone should start a petition to get rid of infamy. You need to stop necro-ing things first!

> *Originally posted by **[tudordan](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=11#posts-6399080):*** > > *Originally posted by **[OOHnirav](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=11#posts-6399049):*** > > > > Someone should start a petition to get rid of infamy. > > You need to stop necro-ing things first! NEVAH!!!