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> *Originally posted by **[PescadoJM](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955154):***
>
> Hatred is like that. It’s pretty much one of the few higher emotions that actually has a use, since without hatred, there’s no point in doing anything. In fact, hatred is so important that it is hardwired into the brain at a fundamental level, with an entire section of brain that exists specifically to process it. Everything else, one can do without, and some of us just simply lack them. We live so that we can hate, because without hate, living has no meaning.
emo much?
i live perfectly fine without hate in my life
> *Originally posted by **[PescadoJM](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955154):***
>
> Hatred is like that. It’s pretty much one of the few higher emotions that actually has a use, since without hatred, there’s no point in doing anything. In fact, hatred is so important that it is hardwired into the brain at a fundamental level, with an entire section of brain that exists specifically to process it. Everything else, one can do without, and some of us just simply lack them. We live so that we can hate, because without hate, living has no meaning.
master troll…
No, emos are about being sad, and crying, and cutting themselves a lot. They’re wastes of space, never accomplishing anything. Hate, on the other hand, is useful: The kind of directed rage that motivates to one to create great works for the purpose of destroying the hated thing. If you don’t hate something, you have no reason to change it. If there is nothing you hate, then there is nothing you change, nothing you do. Your existence is thus empty and devoid of purpose. Whereas if I hate, say, your face, then I desire to change it, specifically, to reduce it to a mangled ruin. I now have a purpose: To rearrange your face. To achieve this end, I will create methods of search to find where you hide, powerful weapons to destroy those places and drive you into the open, and finally, rearrange your face…all because I HATE YOUR FACE. If I didn’t hate your face? Why would I bother? That’s the power of hate. Hate is what drives change, what drives progress, what promotes innovation: To destroy the hated foe before he can destroy you.
I suppose in that regard, fear is also important, but fear is pretty primitive and low-level, and lacks the kind of focus that hate does. But fear leads to anger, and anger leads to hate, so…hate is clearly very important.
> *Originally posted by **[inorix](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=6#posts-3954608):***
> > *Originally posted by **[jaedaprince](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=6#posts-3954309):***
> >
> > I myself have joined after being ganked by several alliance faction felt fit to gank my team of players, so inorix your records are incorrect. Alliance has attacked “random” fraction for no good reason unlike empire. So you might want to check all the facts before assuming that i just gank for no reason.
>
> This is a lie. Not that you weren’t ganked, you weren’t even attacked by a SINGLE alliance faction until you joined Pescado’s ganks. Even then, we negotiated with you and you agreed to back out. After that, we left you alone until you resumed your gank attacks. We tried to negotiate again but you refused to cooperate. Only then your faction was attacked. And you can be sure I have records of every single war what happened so far in Tyrant.
> Edit: Apparently even I have a somewhat poor recollection of the events, attacks did happen before first negotiation.
>
> 30th of May: RPN joins in on Pescado’s ganks
> 1st of June: two Alliance factions “gank” RPN as a warning, then RPN and Alliance agree to avoid ganking each other
> next eleven days: Alliance attacks RPN exactly 3 times in this period, no attacks overlap or even occur on the same day, RPN leaves Alliance alone
> 12th of June: RPN resumes ganking with Pescado, ganking Alliance factions until Sparkle Motion and other factions of Pescado are locked
> next twelve days: RPN leaves Alliance alone, Alliance leaves RPN alone (except for 3 attacks by IFS)
> 24th of June: RPN resumes ganking with Pescado, and continues to do so ever since
>
> Alliance attacks on RPN: 18
> Alliance ganks on RPN: 1 (2 factions)
> RPN attacks on Alliance: 49
> RPN ganks on Alliance: 35 (4-15 factions depending on Pescado’s current rally skill)
>
> Considering that Alliance consisted 15 factions at its height, you were attacked extremely rarely by us. And of course no attacks happened before you joined Pescado as your faction FP was so low that it didn’t make sense to attack you.
Not that i expect you to tell the truth at all inorix giving your history of being a lier and cheater lol but we infact was attacked by the alliance before may30th didnt really figure it all out at first until we started reading into these attacks and seeing that the teams where tied into the alliance thats when i decide to work with other factions. We won wars againist alot of your teams solo and also loss wars, cant win them all especially if your in other battles when getting attacked by two or more teams at a time but hey shit happens. So it really means nothing that you try and claim that my team cant win solo i’ve been with this team from jump, no one knows our history better than me so save ya bullshit. At the end of the day its just a game and i made a choice for my team that i stand by it.
Well, you see how he’s obsessed with the crusader mentality. The other side MUST somehow be EVIL, and they must therefore make up some justification for how their side is better, to justify their behavior to themselves and everyone else. But honestly? It doesn’t need to be that complicated. What’s wrong with just picking a side because you like that one better?
> *Originally posted by **[PescadoJM](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955188):***
>
> No, emos are about being sad, and crying, and cutting themselves a lot. They’re wastes of space, never accomplishing anything. Hate, on the other hand, is useful: The kind of directed rage that motivates to one to create great works for the purpose of destroying the hated thing. If you don’t hate something, you have no reason to change it. If there is nothing you hate, then there is nothing you change, nothing you do. Your existence is thus empty and devoid of purpose. Whereas if I hate, say, your face, then I desire to change it, specifically, to reduce it to a mangled ruin. I now have a purpose: To rearrange your face. To achieve this end, I will create methods of search to find where you hide, powerful weapons to destroy those places and drive you into the open, and finally, rearrange your face…all because I HATE YOUR FACE. If I didn’t hate your face? Why would I bother? That’s the power of hate. Hate is what drives change, what drives progress, what promotes innovation: To destroy the hated foe before he can destroy you.
>
> I suppose in that regard, fear is also important, but fear is pretty primitive and low-level, and lacks the kind of focus that hate does. But fear leads to anger, and anger leads to hate, so…hate is clearly very important.
motivation doest not originate from hate…it originates from the need to fulfill certain needs
hate is just a motivation to eliminate the hated object through negative emotions, but i can be just has motivated to re-arrange lets say, your teeth, without me hating you, if i have a superior goal than just hate…lets say, if i destroy you, i may be rewarded with peace, and thus, motivating me to attack you, without me hating you
> *Originally posted by **[bafodalho](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955296):***
>
> motivation doest not originate from hate…it originates from the need to fulfill certain needs
Because, why? Why do you need to fulfill that? Does starving to death not appeal to you? Perhaps you really hate starving to death?
> *Originally posted by **[bafodalho](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955296):***
>
> hate is just a motivation to eliminate the hated object through negative emotions, but i can be just has motivated to re-arrange lets say, your teeth, without me hating you, if i have a superior goal than just hate…lets say, if i destroy you, i may be rewarded with peace, and thus, motivating me to attack you, without me hating youAnd why do you want this “peace”? Because my existence causes you fear? That’ll give you your hate right there. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. If you start from a position of total indifference to my existence, there is no reason for you to involve yourself in it. Otherwise, at some point, hate enters the picture. Something about me, you, or someone who might pay you to deal with it, hates. You yourself might be motivated to do a single specific action purely by greed, but why do you have greed? Because you need things to ward off other things you fear and hate.
> *Originally posted by **[PescadoJM](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955219):***
>
> Well, you see how he’s obsessed with the crusader mentality. The other side MUST somehow be EVIL, and they must therefore make up some justification for how their side is better, to justify their behavior to themselves and everyone else. But honestly? It doesn’t need to be that complicated. What’s wrong with just picking a side because you like that one better?
If I did want a crusade I’d probably still play this game. Your faction was taken down that was my agenda, since then I just advise people to leave this game. But then you are better at driving people out, only dwarfed by the devs themselves who have no idea how to keep their players.
Just picking a side sounds fine to me though I believe you and not them were doing the picking. But he shouldn’t lie about attacks that never happened, especially to someone with the infamous “cheat site” on his hands.
McAlty, while I don’t have anything to do with the operations of Pescado’s army, I believe they have a higher standard of ‘being attacked’ verbally (or whatever the phrasing was) in order to actually add someone as a target, so you’ve troubled yourself pointlessly.
Next, I usually only bother to get into the conversation when called out, and so often it’s by inorix, who would’ve surely drowned in his own hypocrisy if he continued playing. I don’t need nor try to defend Pescado, or his army’s actions, as he seems to enjoy the hate. I’m only defending the story, the actual story, rather than the “zomg super evil cheaters killin up everybody! This game is ruined! Quit while you can!” mentality that’s so pervasive here, without just cause. The alliance remenants sound like some kind of under-educated lobbyist group. What I’m really defending isn’t Pescado, but the game, and the desires of people to continue playing without fearing that big evil Pescado might come along at any second and ruin it for them, so they should just fear for their safety or consider quitting when there really is no threat to them.
So yeah, as long as I see inorix participating in an argument and saying something stupid, I might hop in and remind him and everyone else of what he’s been guilty of, and try to prevent the opinions of the loud few from clouding up the Tyrant zeitgeist and causing unnecessary quitting. Also, I never bring BO into these discussions, and what I say is only my opinion mixed in with a bit of motive to share it, so I’m not sure why people continue to bring up BO in these talks. Is it some kind of weapon to stop me from having an opinion? Either way, hopefully you and anyone else who cared to read this far in (I sure as hell don’t qualify) has a better understanding of what I’m doing with these posts.
“Your tears are what nourishes are our hate. Never forget. Never forgive.” I love the poetry in this. Our antagonists are correct in that having a story and a development is part of what drives this kind of game. But bullying and cheating are still bullying and cheating, dress it up as you might. It’s a shame because they’re creative and dramatic and if they were using their imaginations to create something they thought would be a fun challenge for all then I bet it would be awesome to play with them. Instead they focus on domination by manipulating the rules and wildly aggressive revenge tactics.
For the Pescado apologists: no one has been able to answer for any of the social evidence against the bot theory. Those who claim to be neutral may argue that I am simply lying about the wars being redeclared upon us within seconds of ending, but the ability of Pescado’s accounts to reorganize and persist at his agenda is simply sociologically impossible. Again I reiterate: who can find it plausible that so many people share his willingness to simply drop pursuit of FP and participate in extended revenge campaigns? All at his direction and bidding while playing 24/7? I don’t find it at all unreasonable for a community to have concluded that cheating was occurring. If you really have 40+ people who play 24/7, have no presence in the forums, are willing to reorganize not only logistically but even their goals and motives at your whims, then I think you simply have to anticipate that this is so improbable that it appears to be cheating and the onus would be on you to demonstrate it is not. But who are we kidding? As if we needed more evidence Pescado runs a cheat site and the so-called liars are dozens of unrelated persons (whose honor many of you taking “neutral” positions are impugning quite nonchalantly).
And Starcrafted please do not feed the man’s ego. If you’re impressed or find his feints and screens anything more than crass and obvious than you must really be starved for intellectual content.
whatever the content of this thread, the title and OP were directly addressed to Synapticon
what I find amazing is that the devs still haven’t made their voice heard in any form as of yet
> *Originally posted by **[BenchBreaker](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955460):***
>
> whatever the content of this thread, the title and OP were directly addressed to Synapticon
>
> what I find amazing is that the devs still haven’t made their voice heard in any form as of yet
It seems to me that devs like to watch people slug it out and then interfere at the last possible moment. :)
> *Originally posted by **[PescadoJM](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955333):***
> > *Originally posted by **[bafodalho](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955296):***
> >
> > motivation doest not originate from hate…it originates from the need to fulfill certain needs
>
> Because, why? Why do you need to fulfill that? Does starving to death not appeal to you? Perhaps you really hate starving to death?
I thought most people would fear starving to death rather than hating it. I reckon fear is the bigger motivator for the gankings, you fear they may attack, you fear their power, you fear that you may not win without help. (Not necessarily you, but i put it in the 2nd person to emphasise my point.)
> *Originally posted by **[PescadoJM](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955333):***
> > *Originally posted by **[bafodalho](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955296):***
> >
> > motivation doest not originate from hate…it originates from the need to fulfill certain needs
>
> Because, why? Why do you need to fulfill that? Does starving to death not appeal to you? Perhaps you really hate starving to death?
>
> > *Originally posted by **[bafodalho](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955296):***
> >
> > hate is just a motivation to eliminate the hated object through negative emotions, but i can be just has motivated to re-arrange lets say, your teeth, without me hating you, if i have a superior goal than just hate…lets say, if i destroy you, i may be rewarded with peace, and thus, motivating me to attack you, without me hating youAnd why do you want this “peace”? Because my existence causes you fear? That’ll give you your hate right there. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate. If you start from a position of total indifference to my existence, there is no reason for you to involve yourself in it. Otherwise, at some point, hate enters the picture. Something about me, you, or someone who might pay you to deal with it, hates. You yourself might be motivated to do a single specific action purely by greed, but why do you have greed? Because you need things to ward off other things you fear and hate.
stupid troll is stupid
your trying to manipulate arguments to your favor
saying survival is equal to hating to die? trololololol bitch please…
and saying that i want peace because i fear you? did it ever occur to you that are dragging down my chances to evolve has a player because you hate someone in my faction that has already left 1 month ago?
i dont hate you, in fact i couldn’t care less about you, i just want peace, so my faction can evolve, so i can have new and better cards…you are in my way…be my enemy, be my friend, be neutral for all i care…just dont stand in my way, or i’ll figure a way around your hate quest
Clearly, those someones in your faction have NOT left, because they continue to hurl the same insults at us that they always have at every contact. Indeed, from their manner of speaking, they were there from the beginning. On the other hand, if every single member that was there at the time has truly left and your faction is around only in name, it is unclear to me why you would keep such a tainted name. But if this is TRULY the case, we will take our machetes to them instead if you point them out to us. But I don’t think it is. The tone and insults haven’t changed at all.
So, feel free to dredge up the perpetrators from the archives and rat them out to us. If they’re truly not among you, you have no reason to protect them.
> *Originally posted by **[peoneill](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955437):***
>
> “Your tears are what nourishes are our hate. Never forget. Never forgive.” I love the poetry in this. Our antagonists are correct in that having a story and a development is part of what drives this kind of game. But bullying and cheating are still bullying and cheating, dress it up as you might. It’s a shame because they’re creative and dramatic and if they were using their imaginations to create something they thought would be a fun challenge for all then I bet it would be awesome to play with them. Instead they focus on domination by manipulating the rules and wildly aggressive revenge tactics.
>
> For the Pescado apologists: no one has been able to answer for any of the social evidence against the bot theory. Those who claim to be neutral may argue that I am simply lying about the wars being redeclared upon us within seconds of ending, but the ability of Pescado’s accounts to reorganize and persist at his agenda is simply sociologically impossible. Again I reiterate: who can find it plausible that so many people share his willingness to simply drop pursuit of FP and participate in extended revenge campaigns? All at his direction and bidding while playing 24/7? I don’t find it at all unreasonable for a community to have concluded that cheating was occurring. If you really have 40+ people who play 24/7, have no presence in the forums, are willing to reorganize not only logistically but even their goals and motives at your whims, then I think you simply have to anticipate that this is so improbable that it appears to be cheating and the onus would be on you to demonstrate it is not. But who are we kidding? As if we needed more evidence Pescado runs a cheat site and the so-called liars are dozens of unrelated persons (whose honor many of you taking “neutral” positions are impugning quite nonchalantly).
>
> And Starcrafted please do not feed the man’s ego. If you’re impressed or find his feints and screens anything more than crass and obvious than you must really be starved for intellectual content.
Caad, who was a CO member, straight up admitting to botting:
“Hi there, I was in CO. while I was there I could have my energy and stamina spent by a system you were in charge to handle that didn’t require my presence or activity at all.
what now?
just stop annoying people Pesc, some of the ones who compensate lack of life with gaming like to be in a happy communnity :P"
> *Originally posted by **[PescadoJM](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955819):***
>
> Clearly, those someones in your faction have NOT left, because they continue to hurl the same insults at us that they always have at every contact. Indeed, from their manner of speaking, they were there from the beginning. On the other hand, if every single member that was there at the time has truly left and your faction is around only in name, it is unclear to me why you would keep such a tainted name. But if this is TRULY the case, we will take our machetes to them instead if you point them out to us. But I don’t think it is. The tone and insults haven’t changed at all.
>
> So, feel free to dredge up the perpetrators from the archives and rat them out to us. If they’re truly not among you, you have no reason to protect them.
lol, so what you are saying is that, once i (has a possibly leader of a faction) left my current faction, i can no longer throw insults to whoever i want?
and, you are saying that we have to change the faction’s name, because you think is tainted?
please…stop and look at what you are writing, this is nonsense
**MASTER TROLL CLASS 101**
Class thesis: Lean what you need to be a standout boob on the internet. What pseudo-intellectual movies and authors to rip off in order to sound pseudo-intellectually pompous
**Lesson 1: Quote your cornball movies**
Star wars:
> And why do you want this “peace”? Because my existence causes you fear? That’ll give you your hate right there. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate.
Conan
> That’s the power of hate. Hate is what drives change, what drives progress, what promotes innovation: To destroy the hated foe before he can destroy you.(NOTE: Hear the lamentation of their women??)
**Lesson 2: Claim that good is evil, and evil good, and that you’ve transcended virtue**
> The other side MUST somehow be EVIL, and they must therefore make up some justification for how their side is better, to justify their behavior to themselves and everyone else.> Hatred is like that. It’s pretty much one of the few higher emotions that actually has a use, since without hatred, there’s no point in doing anything.
**Lesson 3: Blame others, accept no responsibility**
> That barge sailed some two months ago, along with all accountability. There is nothing left except hate now. You have only yourselves to blame for that one, too.
Three steps to being an internet drama queen. If you’ve followed this thread, you are now equipped to be a dick on any electronic forum, anywhere in the world. Quite possibly in any language.
> *Originally posted by **[PescadoJM](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955819):***
>
> Clearly, those someones in your faction have NOT left, because they continue to hurl the same insults at us that they always have at every contact. Indeed, from their manner of speaking, they were there from the beginning. On the other hand, if every single member that was there at the time has truly left and your faction is around only in name, it is unclear to me why you would keep such a tainted name. But if this is TRULY the case, we will take our machetes to them instead if you point them out to us. But I don’t think it is. The tone and insults haven’t changed at all.
>
> So, feel free to dredge up the perpetrators from the archives and rat them out to us. If they’re truly not among you, you have no reason to protect them.
We were actually close to joining a new faction as a group, taking a new name and leaving this ordeal behind us. As you say pescado, it’s the IFS name you are out to kill, so we were going to give it up for peace. Then you attacked Juggernaut and showed us even if we move you continue to attack us. So we came up with alternative plans.
What my comrades say is true. Only ~6 of the 40 members of IFS were present at the beginning of the attacks on CO, and several are low in activity. Most of the original players left the game completely between the fall of CO and rise of sparkle motion. At one point we had to replace 2 players per day just to keep our depleted roster level stead. As several of us were friends from another community, we got our other friends from that community to join. Now our faction is a large group of friends in this game and others.
Not all communications have been filled with hate, venom and insults. I came to you directly in good faith asking for your terms for our faction to be left in peace. I spoke peacefully and diplomatically, but the answer was sadly received 2-3 days later in 24 hours of attacks.
I can understand my current faction mates issues. They didn’t attack CO; many didn’t even know about the ordeal till your group attacked. Losing months worth of work in a mere weekend is very frustrating. They just wish to be left in peace.
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