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While we are at account sharing, let me remind you that Hotshot2k4 told me that Pescado is using “abandoned” Tyrant accounts (even some from BO if I remember correctly) to play Tyrant, but it is “all legal” because the accounts were transferred before the Tyrant TOS change. Such a transfer is of course against Kongregate TOS. The thread where this was pointed out got hijacked by bad trolls such as yourself SolaceAvatar so the discussion went about how evil I am to post a PM to forums.
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Because if you where right, they’d have banned Pescado and everyone else in CO from Kongragate entirely, and not bothered to update the ToS for Tyrant. Since the opposite happened, I have to conclude that they disagree with you.
Also, they way they got around it (as far as I understand it and what anyone’s said) is that they log in, disengage from Kongregate, and let an outside program give someone else access to the running Tyrant-only game, or possibly the computer running the Tyrant-only game. Bad for your personal security, sure. But letting someone else play the game on your computer (at that point) wasn’t disallowed.
EDIT: So get the Kongregate mods on it. Also, once again, there’s a difference between “disagrees with you” and “is a troll”. In the real world, you do have to deal with people who don’t instantly agree with whatever you say, and it’s even possible for them to be right, you know.
… heck, even if I’m wrong, it’s still possible for me to think I’m right, you know. :P You have to hold up your end by arguing well, not declaring the only possible explanation for dissent is mischief.
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Pescado admitted using direct links to log into Tyrant so your remote access blah blah is invalid. You should know that Kongregate TOS is not really enforced, even me who openly admitted to a lot of cheating got away with a one week ban. Also I would like to point out that Pescado (like myself) is still permabanned from Tyrant AFAIK.
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And I did bring it to the kong staff (not mods) but they were helpless without the devs cooperating. Kongregate account sharing is almost impossible to prove, especially if they are using direct links.
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Honestly, to me, that seems more like a “keeping the peace” ban than a “he actually did something wrong” ban, or they’d have banned the whole faction, since to my knowledge they where all doing the same thing. And I said remote access /to the other player’s computers/, and even that is an outright guess, like anything you’ve said. You’re just calling for his head because it’s in your favor to guess the worst possible thing.
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> *Originally posted by **[bafodalho](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=8#posts-3957140):***
> > *Originally posted by **[SolaceAvatar](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=8#posts-3956949):***
> > > *Originally posted by **[nalgae](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=8#posts-3956886):***
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> > > I love how everyone repeatedly ignores Caad’s confession to botting. Caad was actually IN CO.
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> > I didn’t want to comment on it, not knowing Caad, but sure, I’ll give it a shot. First off, /was/ in CO means he doesn’t have anything to lose from messing with them. Second, and more importantly, given the actual pre-TOS explanation of CO’s actions, if he’s talking about that era, it was actually allowed. He didn’t say “we used a bot”, he said “we used a program that let someone else spend my stamina”. You could certainly argue that that was underhanded and more than a bit excessive to win a flash game, but unless Pescado’s /still doing it/, it was allowed. You can declare a vendetta against him for being too aggressive if you feel like it, but it wasn’t a genuinely illicit activity.
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> and what do you call a program that actions for you?
> [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet\_bot](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_bot)
I was in CO until it died, and I was also in Sparkle Motion for a few days. I don’t have anything to lose as long as this doesn’t cost me gaining Pesca as an enemy :P . I was talking about post-TOS era. I didn’t use the word “bot” because that would be exposing to technical deviations, my point was in CO the game wasn’t being played the way it’s intended to be played, I don’t think it really matters how or why.
I post this because I don’t like seeing players leave because of those methods, I’d like to see Tyrant keep growing, and we don’t have such a large community that we can just spare some factions on a hate crusade..
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“I’d like to see Tyrant keep growing, and we don’t have such a large community that we can just spare some factions on a hate crusade..”
Yes.
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> *Originally posted by **[nalgae](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=8#posts-3956886):***
> > *Originally posted by **[SolaceAvatar](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=8#posts-3956869):***
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> > @peoneill and people like him: The /only/ reason I’ve been arguing on Pescado’s side is that it’s /not/ his job to prove that your every accusation is false, it’s your job to prove your numerous, shifting accusations are true. “I don’t think the other team would be so much more focused than my team” is not proof. Have you considered that with you whining and him winning, people who want very much to be on the winning team can pretty easily guess which side to join up on? You’re saying “oh it’s clearly inhuman concentration, literally, so it’s ok that no one on our side can do it”, and he’s saying “everyone on our side is highly skilled and determined”. If I’m the hardcore competitor that’ll do anything to win, that second one is both the message that’ll attract me, and what I can actually provide.
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> I love how everyone repeatedly ignores Caad’s confession to botting. Caad was actually IN CO.
What’s wrong with botting in the past when it was still allowed?
After botting is officially made illegal, Caad’s activity nowadays is so low until several of us have a hard time contacting him.
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@SolaceAvatar: You accuse me of making numerous and shifting accusations, but I am consistent. I have never lied and I have never changed my story. Also, it’s a bit ironic to accuse us of whining when you are one of the most prolific posters and aren’t even directly involved. If you find this thread whiny, just don’t read it, instead of… you know, whining about it.
Furthermore the primary point of my post was that Pescado’s behavior is unacceptable regardless of any possibility of botting or cheating. He’s pretty openly the bad guy – obviously he totally gets off on the villain role (“Your tears nourish our hate”). He even wears the faction names of those who have given up under his duress like some sort of trophy (kfsw destroyers; Zombie Robot Monkeys). This is purely malicious, there’s no possible character defense for this. You’re defending someone who says hate is a good thing and the basis of motivation in humans – which is not only disturbing but has never been cited as one of the fundamental motivators by any reputable social scientist (his claim that there is a portion of the brain dedicated to hate is also completely made up). He embraces the label sociopath.
I don’t understand why you’re trying to pick the “winning” side, anyhow. Would you prostitute your moral standards out to an anticipated winner in real life, also?
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I’m fascinated at how so many people are desperately trying to twist themselves into a belief-defying logical pretzel in an attempt to somehow justify cheating. The same botting that we have heard in this thread that CO was doing, is the same botting that Sparkle Motion got locked for, and is the same botting that is happening in a grand scale right now.
All done by the same person that Synapticon already banned for doing this very same thing.
Remember when Black Ops and covert Ops got disbanded via an exploit? The developers moved in quickly and did the right thing. They restored them to their pre-exploit glory, and everyone agreed that the right thing was done. There were no threads about how perhaps the exploiter might have not actually broken any rules because just maybe, by some far-reaching theoretical scenario, they might not have been bound by the rules depending on how the exploit was executed. There were not a gang of sympathizers who started trolling threads and demanding that the exploitation be allowed to continue because of a potential loophole. No. An injustice was done, and quickly corrected. All were happy with the result, because having people be able to disband other peoples factions whenever they saw fit was clearly bad for the game.
Here we have the same thing. Botting is happening, it’s clear to everyone with a passing involvement with it. But instead of having the community as a whole cry out for justice and an end to the botting because bots are bad for the game, we have a handful of people desperately trying to excuse, justify, and explain away the issue. They do this because they know full well that the botting is going on, who is doing it, and who they are doing it to. They know that they are not the targets of the botting, and they know that they will not be the targets of the botting in the future. In many cases this cheating clearly benefits them, driving down rivals, creating victims of gang-attacks where they can steal an undeserved win from an opponent who is overwhelmed by bots, and allowing them to pick up good players from disbanded factions.
Since there are so many bot-sympathizers in this thread who imagine that having one banned player be able to execute the commands for scores of alts and other players is probably within the rules, lets go ahead and address the question directly to Synapticon and get an official response.
Dear Synapticon,
Could you please clear this up for the community? Should a player who was already banned for botting be allowed to run numerous alts, form multiple factions, run them all via bot, and do this for the sole and express purpose of driving your customers out of the game?
Or, like with the exploit that allowed factions to be disbanded against their will, should that exploit be prevented, and the factions that were damaged by the use of that exploit be restored to their pre-exploit status?
We await your response.
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> *Originally posted by **[Hotshot2k4](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955422):***
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> McAlty, while I don’t have anything to do with the operations of Pescado’s army, I believe they have a higher standard of ‘being attacked’ verbally (or whatever the phrasing was) in order to actually add someone as a target, so you’ve troubled yourself pointlessly.
After what happened to X-Com (an innocent bystander that accidentally attacked a Pescado drone faction and then pointed out their extremely suspicious behavior), I’m not taking any chances. If just pointing out suspicious behavior can get you bot-farmed, then this game is not safe for anyone.
> So yeah, as long as I see inorix participating in an argument and saying something stupid, I might hop in and remind him and everyone else of what he’s been guilty of, and try to prevent the opinions of the loud few from clouding up the Tyrant zeitgeist and causing unnecessary quitting. Also, I never bring BO into these discussions, and what I say is only my opinion mixed in with a bit of motive to share it, so I’m not sure why people continue to bring up BO in these talks. Is it some kind of weapon to stop me from having an opinion? Either way, hopefully you and anyone else who cared to read this far in (I sure as hell don’t qualify) has a better understanding of what I’m doing with these posts.
You may want to leave BO out of it. But these drone factions claim Empire and therefore claim to be your allies. And you are the leader of Black Ops. So when you defend the behavior of your obviously dishonest and almost certainly cheating supposed allies, even in a halfhearted “there’s not enough proof and those other guys are totally cheaters too” kind of way, that reflects back on Black Ops, whether you want it to or not. It makes it look like Black Ops condones cheating.
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I’m suspecting the same thing about the gangster defenders essentially kissing booty to stay in the good graces of the powerful. Lawful evil, right? And I noticed Pescado made a note about ganging people who complain right after I complained and my faction subsequently got mashed. Were you talking to me, Pescado?
In any case, Pescado’s statement right there is so brazen that Synapticon has to understand what’s going on. I’m not sure if Pescado is daring Synapticon to take action, or just gloating on his power. I would like to hear if this is what Synapticon wants, the ability to bully and gangbang, or if he wants to repair it. What exactly is the designer’s intent?
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Obviously Pescado doesn’t need my or anybody else’s pity but i truly feel bad for the guy. His life revolves around hatred and can’t form emotional attachments as he robotically trudges through life. If this actually makes him happy somehow more power to him.I myself am in IFS and was part of Crimson Wrath (now defunct)another part of the alliance. I joined Crimson Wrath right when they decided to go to War with CO and pretty much knew it wasn’t the “right” thing to do.
I moved on afterword to a lower faction to get away from the drama to only have that faction go down as well. Only reason i joined IFS was because i knew a bunch of people already in the faction. So now IFS is just going to try to persevere as Pescado continues his crusade against the Alliance. And by the way Pescado “forgiveness” is not a character flaw. I know you aren’t an immature little kid but likely a probably not very well adjusted adult. Course i’ve met plenty of successful type A personalities who are very similar in nature who really are the unhappiest people i’ve ever met.
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Well, the game is named “Tyrant” after all…
(does this mean Pescado wins?)
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@peoneill: I did say that I found Pescado’s actions dishonerable a few times, you know. :P I’m just arguing against the random things people are accusing; botting, hacking, alts, account trading, and so on. I’m not emotionally invested in Pescado being innocent, I just find the hearsay people insist is proof to be… well, easily argued against.
Also, this isn’t real life, this is The Internet. You’ve never heard of “For the Horde!”, or “Join the dark side, we have cookies”, or “zerg rush zerg rush kekekekeke”? Heck, I bet they get converts just by playing up being the “bad guys” in an objectively harmless way, let alone being the winning side… which if you’ve played any fps (a gametype that allows for a similar number of players), people drain off like lemmings as soon as their side shows the slightest hint of being at a disadvantage.
Of course, you and I are too morally upright to consider such things, but… somehow it happens anyway. :P I’m not saying that your base impulse is to jump ship immediately, I’m saying there’s a sizeable section of the gamer pie that, if given the choice between joining the side in the middle of losing and the side in the middle of winning, picks the side that’s in the middle of winning. Also, the absurdly overcompetitive type of gamer that Pescado claims to attract would fit pretty heavily into the “yes I will do anything to win” category, and allow for the sub-30 second war-declarations that people claim has to be caused by hacking, for example.
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deer SolaceAvatar your argumentation its just dialectic mantra and gibberish especially in this thread: " I did say that I found Pescado’s actions dishonerable a few times, you know. :P I’m just arguing against the random things people are accusing; botting, hacking, alts, account trading, and so on. I’m not emotionally invested in Pescado being innocent, I just find the hearsay people insist is proof to be… well, easily argued against." vs Caad “I was in CO until it died, and I was also in Sparkle Motion for a few days. I don’t have anything to lose as long as this doesn’t cost me gaining Pesca as an enemy :P . I was talking about post-TOS era. I didn’t use the word “bot” because that would be exposing to technical deviations, my point was in CO the game wasn’t being played the way it’s intended to be played, I don’t think it really matters how or why.
I post this because I don’t like seeing players leave because of those methods, I’d like to see Tyrant keep growing, and we don’t have such a large community that we can just spare some factions on a hate crusade..” …more reading less posting ,friendly advice XD
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> *Originally posted by **[SolaceAvatar](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=9#posts-3959582):***
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> allow for the sub-30 second war-declarations that people claim has to be caused by hacking, for example.Sub-30sec war declarations are not even remotely suspicious, when you consider that EVERYONE IS AN OFFICER, so you have 5 or 6 guys at any time locked on and going WAR WAR WAR.
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[A Lesson in Writing Concisely](http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/572/1/)
Longer is not better.
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What all of you are missing is that Pescado is basically playing a meta-game called ‘reputation’. He’s a very active gamer, plays plenty of games. Odds are some of us will meet him again in some other multiplayer game. And I for one will make sure that when that day comes I won’t make an enemy out of him ;)
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> *Originally posted by **[Scudworth](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=9#posts-3960430):***
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> [A Lesson in Writing Concisely](http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/572/1/)
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> Longer is not better.
Shorter is better.
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> *Originally posted by **[Diadem](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=9#posts-3960579):***
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> What all of you are missing is that Pescado is basically playing a meta-game called ‘reputation’. He’s a very active gamer, plays plenty of games. Odds are some of us will meet him again in some other multiplayer game. And I for one will make sure that when that day comes I won’t make an enemy out of him ;)
yeah. watch out cause gaym lord coming…
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> *Originally posted by **[jmdt](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=8#posts-3956058):***
> > *Originally posted by **[PescadoJM](/forums/65/topics/182690?page=7#posts-3955819):***
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> > Clearly, those someones in your faction have NOT left, because they continue to hurl the same insults at us that they always have at every contact. Indeed, from their manner of speaking, they were there from the beginning. On the other hand, if every single member that was there at the time has truly left and your faction is around only in name, it is unclear to me why you would keep such a tainted name. But if this is TRULY the case, we will take our machetes to them instead if you point them out to us. But I don’t think it is. The tone and insults haven’t changed at all.
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> > So, feel free to dredge up the perpetrators from the archives and rat them out to us. If they’re truly not among you, you have no reason to protect them.
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> We were actually close to joining a new faction as a group, taking a new name and leaving this ordeal behind us. As you say pescado, it’s the IFS name you are out to kill, so we were going to give it up for peace. Then you attacked Juggernaut and showed us even if we move you continue to attack us. So we came up with alternative plans.
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> What my comrades say is true. Only ~6 of the 40 members of IFS were present at the beginning of the attacks on CO, and several are low in activity. Most of the original players left the game completely between the fall of CO and rise of sparkle motion. At one point we had to replace 2 players per day just to keep our depleted roster level stead. As several of us were friends from another community, we got our other friends from that community to join. Now our faction is a large group of friends in this game and others.
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> Not all communications have been filled with hate, venom and insults. I came to you directly in good faith asking for your terms for our faction to be left in peace. I spoke peacefully and diplomatically, but the answer was sadly received 2-3 days later in 24 hours of attacks.
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> I can understand my current faction mates issues. They didn’t attack CO; many didn’t even know about the ordeal till your group attacked. Losing months worth of work in a mere weekend is very frustrating. They just wish to be left in peace.
Don’t feed the fire anymore. Just lock the damn topic and let this whole thing die off. Please.
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