> *Originally posted by **[gagaking](/forums/12051/topics/1802317?page=1#13406879)**:* > You dont need adina when you can use robosanta. Also, if you don't mind changing your formation a lot, Mimicking karen can still work. Also, tiernan does still effect the bottom rigt and top left corners. > > I'm upset that not only do Jialong's rivers go on spots where crusaders can't be, 2 of them are on spots that NEVER can be (ie, initial RP2 slots, which are BETWEEN the tetris squares, so no tetris square can ever contain them). This means I am limited to a max of 2 puddles during the challenge without using karen or a propogator, which is frustrating. That requires either babysitting your ability or a TM on it. And I know Adina works because I used it a couple of formations.

I very much dislike this challenge and had no interest in optimizing it. I got to 3416 and hit a soft wall and that was enough for me.

> *Originally posted by **[FateIsEscaped](/forums/12051/topics/1802317?page=1#13340545)**:* >  > > > > *Originally posted by **[knitbone](/forums/12051/topics/1802317?page=1#13340304)**:* > > just putting in my best 12 crusaders, got to area 4226 before I got bored tweaking my lineup every 50 levels. 191 tokens > > Yeah, it's mega annoying. Maybe make it every 100 areas. But definitely try Roborabbit + Speedsters. It works pretty nice. > > (but forget that Bruno stuff I posted, I found a better way because Evan+Carrpet is so potent at area 355, save the formation for when you need to reload Rabbit) > > >  > > Do that, press G, then make a speedster+RR formation. You can tweak your form to get max speed every 50 areas, but it's not super necessary. (casey+mindy+propogators) .. > *Originally posted by **[Marshal666](/forums/12051/topics/1802317?page=1#13406532)**:* > yea if rest challenges are annoying then this is just plain stupid unless can get to cap with saders whose positions don't matter like morri and whatever she reqs besides leps. I just put best saders in and put them on right spots and after getting talents bought then tm on gold o rama and afk besides few occasions where had to adjust formation to advance and had enuf after getting 200 tokens + cid. Still had over 1100 to dps cap but no thx. By far the most annoying challenge EVAR. But, when I used the Roborabbit strat I got 25 more tokens than without using it. (just letting my formation get stuck somewhere) I guess it depends on how hype you are. I'm a weakling, so tokens are easier for me. While super powerful players will just get somewhere, then Reset. > *Originally posted by **[Pagani400](/forums/12051/topics/1802317?page=1#13406854)**:* > Feels like getting teh Tiernan/Adina combo is best, but a full Tiernan/Jiao won't work. Best seems ot be getting that combo and the biggest buff to the DPS possible. Unfortunately didn't have time to test that one. > *Originally posted by **[gagaking](/forums/12051/topics/1802317?page=1#13406879)**:* > You dont need adina when you can use robosanta. Also, if you don't mind changing your formation a lot, Mimicking karen can still work. Also, tiernan does still effect the bottom rigt and top left corners. > > I'm upset that not only do Jialong's rivers go on spots where crusaders can't be, 2 of them are on spots that NEVER can be (ie, initial RP2 slots, which are BETWEEN the tetris squares, so no tetris square can ever contain them). This means I am limited to a max of 2 puddles during the challenge without using karen or a propogator, which is frustrating. > *Originally posted by **[gagaking](/forums/12051/topics/1802317?page=1#13406880)**:* > something like this, if anyone was curious: https://imgur.com/a/j1qgkfA >  There is so much wrong with this challenge.