I am about 2/3s research away from getting Baulduranium and expect to get it in about a week and from Okario’s post about the different heat distributions this one seem particularly off the norm, so i guess i am just wondering is anyone using it yet? and if so what is the most optimal design theories at the moment?

I will probably be there next month myself (about 28 days remaining). For now I am still concentrating on using it on Single Heat Cell. (with 6 underground pipes and 24 gens / 72 GWP) I can sort of see how to handle a cluster of 4 heat cells but I still haven’t looked into it more than that. IMO doing a “proper” setup will use so many tiles that’s not going to be worth it.

I don’t think anyone legit is using it yet, or if they are, not very efficiently. The restriction of layout design might make it not profitable for longer than the change from Prot to Curiom. But while it’s a little awkward, you don’t have to build it out to its max range. Probably will be better to use a 4:1 block-build like we’ve seen on a couple others.

> *Originally posted by **[RadrickDaedric](/forums/17013/topics/632041?page=1#posts-10448334):*** > > I am about 2/3s research away from getting Baulduranium and expect to get it in about a week and from Okario’s post about the different heat distributions this one seem particularly off the norm, so i guess i am just wondering is anyone using it yet? and if so what is the most optimal design theories at the moment? why do you bother if you cheated?

> *Originally posted by **[wapnoziom](/forums/17013/topics/632041?page=1#posts-10449947):*** > > *Originally posted by **[RadrickDaedric](/forums/17013/topics/632041?page=1#posts-10448334):*** > > > > I am about 2/3s research away from getting Baulduranium and expect to get it in about a week and from Okario’s post about the different heat distributions this one seem particularly off the norm, so i guess i am just wondering is anyone using it yet? and if so what is the most optimal design theories at the moment? > > why do you bother if you cheated? Dude what is your deal? Like fine if you dont want to have me in on your stupid “Cheater free Ranking” i dont care about that but I already told you i never hacked my game, i have the bonus chromo extra and the 3x cash extra and i pretty much ignore upgrading the the HC challenge maps because i never find it worth the cash and i keep the game on literally 24/7 and have since like march. like wtf why are you going out of your way to screw with me on these forums i am just trying to play this game.

Let’s try this…  As you can see, this is a shot of Single Cell with 7 clusters. You can probably infer an 8 cluster of 12:4:1:1:4iso build for 8HC with this, but it requires like GWP lv42 or 43. And at that point, you may as well not care anymore. Generally speaking I will have to wait until GWP 40 to try a layout with “only” 8 gens on 4HC. So…. see you in three weeks?

Here is my single heat cell with balduranium. 

Or just put it into the same old build for SHC cause its heat spread is irrelevant there…  But considering the 50x upkeep and cost of buying lifetime, not ready yet to use it.

I just have Balduranium today, any build that i can refer to as scratch to starts with ?? :D

You can do Xreactor’s or Orakio’s one, depending on your water levels. Those are the easiest.

I used a test save to try out a 12:4:1:2 setup on Continent. So far I fit 14 and haven’t been able to figure out how to fit any more even though there’s a ton of dead space. Any criticisms/feedback welcome. In the image, it’s lvl 0 isos and bald, so 34.65 quad/t each. I have batteries where the hot spots are, unused space is cold.  I hope to move to this build in the coming weeks, but we’ll see :)

I’ve tried messing with builds a little, and unfortunately the boxy build seems to make the best use of space, or at least the space that it uses. I’m not sure yet how to fit any more than that. So I’m not sure when/if I’ll start using Bald. Since you’re actually increasing upkeep AND cutting production, Bald doesn’t seem useful until the upgrade costs for curiom become silly. Maybe someone could math out the point at which the upgrade costs to curiom hinder your overall progress more than cutting out 12.5% of your cells. Or maybe I’ll have no choice but to change back and forth, Bald when I buy gwp, changing to curiom when I save up for its next cell upgrade. I’m currently at gwp 46 on Continent, and Curiom level 19, and the cost for the next levels of each are 45.04 sept and 2.86 sept. So even now, my Curiom upgrade cost is pretty small compared to GWP. I could get back 2.9 sept from selling curiom levels, and save another 2.85 sept. on next upgrade round. But between fewer cells and higher upkeep, changing to the Bald build right now would be a daily loss of 320 sext.

how do you post a build i have a few different ones of Bald

> *Originally posted by **[dlreitmeyer](/forums/17013/topics/632041?page=1#posts-10572918):*** > > how do you post a build i have a few different ones of Bald upload the image somewhere such as imgur or use snag.gy and then, using the direct image link (something like ‘[http://example.com/image.png’](http://example.com/image.png’)) put it between exclamation marks (!)

 This one is kinda sloppy but it works

 4hc

! [https://snag.gy/EJXgMa.jpg](https://snag.gy/EJXgMa.jpg)!

> *Originally posted by **[Orakio](/forums/17013/topics/632041?page=1#posts-10572810):*** > > I’ve tried messing with builds a little, and unfortunately the boxy build seems to make the best use of space, or at least the space that it uses. I’m not sure yet how to fit any more than that. So I’m not sure when/if I’ll start using Bald. > > Since you’re actually increasing upkeep AND cutting production, Bald doesn’t seem useful until the upgrade costs for curiom become silly. Maybe someone could math out the point at which the upgrade costs to curiom hinder your overall progress more than cutting out 12.5% of your cells. Or maybe I’ll have no choice but to change back and forth, Bald when I buy gwp, changing to curiom when I save up for its next cell upgrade. > > I’m currently at gwp 46 on Continent, and Curiom level 19, and the cost for the next levels of each are 45.04 sept and 2.86 sept. So even now, my Curiom upgrade cost is pretty small compared to GWP. > > I could get back 2.9 sept from selling curiom levels, and save another 2.85 sept. on next upgrade round. But between fewer cells and higher upkeep, changing to the Bald build right now would be a daily loss of 320 sext. I made an excel sheet for seeing what the numbers would be of a 17+1 Iso Curium vs a 14+2 Iso Baldur profit growth. I didn’t take into account any upkeep, or any requisite levels of GWP. I made it to see what the total heat production of a given Cell + Iso level in this map setup would be. So I started with Curium, levels 0-50. Filled in it’s heat production, increased it by 1.25 all the way down the line, and then did the same with Baldur. Though with Baldur I lined its level 0 up with Curium’s level 17, as Baldur level 0 lies between Curium’s 17 & 18 (a note about this later). I then compared the 17+1 Curium profit to the 14+2 Baldur profit. Starting at Iso level 0, Curium takes the cake for production. As soon as Iso gets leveled to 1 (or anything higher), Baldur takes the lead for profits. Even at Baldur level 0 which I thought was interesting. I then was curious to see what would happen if I started Baldur level 0 even with Curium level 18. I reverted back to Iso level 0, and of course Curium was the clear winner. And then I got to Iso level 10, and Baldur took over again (from level 0 onwards). For some numbers, Curium level 17 produces ~28quad/t, and level 18 produces ~35quad/t. Baldur is at 31.5quad/t. I wasn’t sure where exactly to place it, but even placing it against the higher level of Curium, Baldur outproduces heat versus Curium immediately given the right level Iso. It comes down to various other costs I’d imagine for what ends up being better. Since if there were no Isos involved, it’s guaranteed to be one beating the other, depending on where you place level 0 Baldur vs Curium. Thoughts? Mistakes I’ve made that I don’t realize? Needless to say this is applicable to Continent only, the numbers would be different on other maps. I can also upload the excel file to dropbox or google drive if anyone would like to look at it. Copying it into a Google Docs spreadsheet loses all of the formulas and I’m too lazy to redo them haha.

I guess the first mistake, or at least variance from mine, is that the Curiom build I’m using is a 16+2. Having Iso is pretty much a given necessity. I always keep it leveled up as high as I can without its cost exceeding the next cell upgrade. Most of your heat production comes from having 2 of them. The next thing is that I would compare for x level GWP. Take the GWP production for x level and multiply by number of pumps in the build to get the max possible heat conversion for each build. Then raise each cell as close to that number as possible for their build. For example:  Where I’m at is kind of a weird spot to compare, since this build at this upgrade level just happens to make a near perfect ratio of water to heat production. In this case, it wouldn’t matter if x level of Bald might theoretically out-perform my level of Curiom, since it’d be virtually impossible to generate more income with 14 Bald cells at GWP 46. So you would have to go lower per cell on top of having fewer cells. Then I would compare the distance to next upgrade round. My current income on Continent will take me something ridiculous like 34 days to earn enough for another round of upgrades. But another odd point about my current level is that I’ll need to raise Curiom twice next round. That extra cost very closely offsets the reduced production in changing to the Bald build, making it less than a day difference to next upgrade round. After the next round, I’ll either have to do 2 cell levels again or spend another 5 sept. for lvl 21 Iso. The latter being less cost, would take me about .1 days longer than the Bald build to its next round. But overall still half a day or so shorter to that point with curiom. **Then the next round after that, I’ll have to go up 2 cells again, which looks like it might take 3-4 days longer to GWP 49 than the Bald build would.** **EDIT** Took out last paragraph and changed last line of the one before. I calculated wrong the upgrades to max out the Curiom build at GWP 49 thinking I’d only need one cell level, making the Bald build take longer. So looks like maybe it’d be worth for me to try the Bald build at GWP 48. Might be worth it sooner to swap builds, using Bald at GWP, thus upgrading sooner, then saving for the Curiom upgrade and changing back.

I figured I should have taken more time than just doing pure profits and thought about it for more than 5 seconds haha.

I’m not min/maxing like you seem to do, but even I am wondering what to do. My problem is more that I would change between a 17+1 setup and a 12+4 setup. (first possible at gwp47). gwp48 is 90 septillions, but Curiom alone would be (not too sure but approximately) 16+28 septillions. Add 18 more for the water flow and 12 more for the gen water max and I’m looking at an 77 days upgrade. But then after that the curiom levels alone are 141 spt when the rest of the water upgrades are 240ish spt. So I guess the last lvl I’m keeping Curiom is for GWP48 and I will switch to bald at gwp 49. In about 4 months from now. Dayum.

Hello, I came up with something like this, leaving screenshot here so others can develop ideas from it.  Empty spaces are blown up gens, I reverted back to curiums on continent as of now until I come up or find out a better solution, because 12x curiums were better than 10x balduranium in my case.

I have just got the continent up to just over 1 quintillion per tick with balduranium. Ground water pump = lvl 45 Water elements max water = lvl 47 Generator max water = lvl 85 

I tried to make 12:4:1 build for bald cells too, but awkward heat distribution made things complicated. So this is what I came up with. Very simple 32 cells 6:2:1 without compromising too much income from curium builds. 

I heard GWP 45 for switching to baldu, but going for 6:2:1:1 would push that even further, right?