> *Originally posted by **[jjones1121](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=1#posts-10411165):*** > > Im a heavy and i went for maxing my guys speed for the armor. Two slots are tissue repair and its decent but its too slow for the action and hits i take. Favorite hun hands down for ke is 1887 and i luckily got 2 red 10s. So one has bio and the other is my boss gun. It might be different from mobile but as far as i seen most players that are high level have at least one gun with bio. Hm I mean I guess it could be good for fast-killing mob guns like Mixmaster or T-102. But shockfield? I don’t know man.

In terms of mobbing, i’ll say the Jagdfaust wins :)

> *Originally posted by **[Lord\_Moe](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=2#posts-10411420):*** > > In terms of mobbing, i’ll say the Jagdfaust wins :) Well it does have pretty respectable blast radius, especially for an electric rocket launcher. Reload and mobility is oddly high as well. But I wouldn’t rank it as the best. And ammo is **so expensive** - even for mobile.

> *Originally posted by **[Motortrend](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=2#posts-10411490):*** > > *Originally posted by **[Lord\_Moe](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=2#posts-10411420):*** > > > > In terms of mobbing, i’ll say the Jagdfaust wins :) > > Well it does have pretty respectable blast radius, especially for an electric rocket launcher. Reload and mobility is oddly high as well. But I wouldn’t rank it as the best. And ammo is **so expensive** - even for mobile. Not really, you just have to do ammo contracts to stock up ammo. But IMO it is the best in terms of mobbing :)

> *Originally posted by **[Lord\_Moe](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=2#posts-10411568):*** > > *Originally posted by **[Motortrend](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=2#posts-10411490):*** > > > *Originally posted by **[Lord\_Moe](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=2#posts-10411420):*** > > > > > > In terms of mobbing, i’ll say the Jagdfaust wins :) > > > > Well it does have pretty respectable blast radius, especially for an electric rocket launcher. Reload and mobility is oddly high as well. But I wouldn’t rank it as the best. And ammo is **so expensive** - even for mobile. > > Not really, you just have to do ammo contracts to stock up ammo. But IMO it is the best in terms of mobbing :) Mobbing, yes, but everything else makes it sadly deficient. I found 3100 perfectly suitable to my needs.

> *Originally posted by **[Motortrend](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=2#posts-10419658):*** > > *Originally posted by **[Lord\_Moe](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=2#posts-10411568):*** > > > *Originally posted by **[Motortrend](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=2#posts-10411490):*** > > > > *Originally posted by **[Lord\_Moe](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=2#posts-10411420):*** > > > > > > > > In terms of mobbing, i’ll say the Jagdfaust wins :) > > > > > > Well it does have pretty respectable blast radius, especially for an electric rocket launcher. Reload and mobility is oddly high as well. But I wouldn’t rank it as the best. And ammo is **so expensive** - even for mobile. > > > > Not really, you just have to do ammo contracts to stock up ammo. But IMO it is the best in terms of mobbing :) > > Mobbing, yes, but everything else makes it sadly deficient. I found 3100 perfectly suitable to my needs. What do you mean by ‘everything else’ ?

Gonna give you the list of best weapons for non-buyers mobile version i am pretty sure its same for pc version with reasons #1 1887 shockfeild 12quality 4* shockfeild 50% modded goes like this 16.5 rps 1230.6 dmg 4.5 peirce 20 ammo 0.4 reload idk aboutyou but that wipe out a zombie pods in 45 secs average #2 cm 800 jupitor competing with shock feild at 12 quality 4* 50% modded it goes like this 13.2 rps 3740.1 dmg 7 peirce 133 clip size 0.9 reload and each hit explodes like gigavolt #1 in crowd control its downside is bosses and high hp spawns like nightmarish bloaters #3 stripper goes like this 389.2 dmg 13.2 rps 5.4 peirce 42 ammo 4050dmg/3 sec 0.5 reload makes it #1 in boss killing its downside is the initial dmg lmakes it crappy crowed control #4 ronson wp flamethrower goes like this 49.5 rps 703.2 dmg 10 peirce 475 clip size 2126.2dmg/2.5 sec 0.7 reload makes it makes it competing with stripper except for on part the low distance and wicker savage wicker is gonna be most common at first and at end savage devistator and necrosis and trust me you dont wanna be near any of them in a fight #5 hiks s300 goes like this with 13635 dmg 6.6 rps 6.4 peirce 18 clip size 8100dmg/3sec 0.4 reload make its it the highest dot / shot but its as flamethrower wocker is hating this gun yet it hkts pretty far and steady so makes it the least ammo consuming weapon among these but once your using black weapons ammo gets expensive Highest ammo hd goes for jupitor 36864 for 120 shots .... more then twice of of the shockfeild which is 18432 for 200 which is not cheap either then comes #6 mustang it is the only blakc weapon that has unlimited ammo and goes like this 536.4 dmg 16.5 rps 12 clip size 3 peirce and 0.2 reload great for crowd control can gsolo nightmare mod at lvl 80 makes it #1 pistol

> *Originally posted by **[JamesKennetS](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=2#11666857)**:* > I recommend CM 800 Jupiter (BLACK) w/ Deadly,Biosynthesis,Race Modded and Overclocked.It works everytime in event called apocalypse in Android.I usually reach wave 47.I use Stripper (BLACK) with Tenacious,Race Modded,Overclocked and Pinpoint for Bosses especially for Savages. >

Dude, original post is from May 2016. Appreciate the contribution, but plz make a new thread. - - - - - To topic, atm the best weapons (using Apoc mode as benchmark) are basically M1K, Trident and Furie, depending on which class you are and what you enjoying using. All three weapons are obtainable via crafting with a reasonable amount of grinding. In nm400, casual play x5 daily tix will take about 8-9months to get 3mil alloy, while dedicated play with prem tix farming from events will take about 2-3months. Aug em, core them and they are beasts at 12xxxx 10/10. Close runner ups are Hornet (especially in a critical dmg build) and Proposition (the mini M1k, synergies very well with heavies). Everything else can't keep up with the dps demand in Apoc. - - - - - > *Originally posted by **[lolerescut](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=2#11420070)**:* > Gonna give you the list of best weapons for non-buyers mobile version i am pretty sure its same for pc version with reasons > #1 1887 shockfeild 12quality 4* shockfeild 50% modded goes like this 16.5 rps 1230.6 dmg 4.5 peirce 20 ammo 0.4 reload idk aboutyou but that wipe out a zombie pods in 45 secs average > #2 cm 800 jupitor competing with shock feild at 12 quality 4* 50% modded it goes like this 13.2 rps 3740.1 dmg 7 peirce 133 clip size 0.9 reload and each hit explodes like gigavolt #1 in crowd control its downside is bosses and high hp spawns like nightmarish bloaters > #3 stripper goes like this 389.2 dmg 13.2 rps 5.4 peirce 42 ammo 4050dmg/3 sec 0.5 reload makes it #1 in boss killing its downside is the initial dmg lmakes it crappy crowed control > #4 ronson wp flamethrower goes like this 49.5 rps 703.2 dmg 10 peirce 475 clip size 2126.2dmg/2.5 sec 0.7 reload makes it makes it competing with stripper except for on part the low distance and wicker savage wicker is gonna be most common at first and at end savage devistator and necrosis and trust me you dont wanna be near any of them in a fight > > > > #5 hiks s300 goes like this with 13635 dmg 6.6 rps 6.4 peirce 18 clip size 8100dmg/3sec 0.4 reload make its it the highest dot / shot but its as flamethrower wocker is hating this gun yet it hkts pretty far and steady so makes it the least ammo consuming weapon among these but once your using black weapons ammo gets expensive > > > Highest ammo hd goes for jupitor 36864 for 120 shots .... more then twice of of the shockfeild which is 18432 for 200 which is not cheap either > then comes > #6 mustang it is the only blakc weapon that has unlimited ammo and goes like this 536.4 dmg 16.5 rps 12 clip size 3 peirce and 0.2 reload great for crowd control can gsolo nightmare mod at lvl 80 makes it #1 pistol @lolerescut, the weapons you have listed might seem good on paper. But if we use apoc mode as benchmark (since that's the point of this discussion, otherwise all weapons are viable in NM mode): * #1, 2, 5, 6 are all semi-automatic here on PC version. Unless you use an autoclicker or you don't mind breaking your mouse, then you won't ever consistently maintain that dps or dpm. Even if you do maintain the dps, their low pierce will be an major issue due to Apoc swarms (sacrificing an aug slot for pierce is not a good idea). * #3, 4 and 5 are all DOT reliant, which means: 1) it is easily resisted. 2) takes too long to kill things. 3) not affected by critical chance. * Hard to tell what you have auged just by looking at numbers, since you have only mentioned 12xxxx, but haven't listed your 4 augs. * No inclusion of 11/10 coring, which boosts 50% of base stats, see wiki coring page for details. * For #1, 45s to kill a pod is waaaaay too long. The entire nm400 pods usually only takes 2-3min. * Since you have mentioned 12xxxx coring, all these weapons are not worth the cores in the first place. * No mentioning of Adaptive aug, which is essential for both NM and Apoc mode. By itself, it roughly doubles your effective dps. * HD ammo is dirt cheap once you hit end game and it is farmable in AR missions. It's the default ammo in end game. No need for unlimited ammo from pistols. * Purpose of pistols is only for the 0% movement modifier, so that one can switch to it and move a little faster (roughly +10%) if you carry a moderately-heavy weapon. End game players generally leave sidearm slot empty. * We generally compare weapons based on their dps and dpm, with inclusion of a pierce value. Listing their card values is not helpful. * Minor point: plz spellcheck and use punctuation. - - - - - > *Originally posted by **[JamesKennetS](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=2#11666866)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[JamesKennetS](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=2#11666857)**:* > > I recommend CM 800 Jupiter (BLACK) w/ Deadly,Biosynthesis,Race Modded and Overclocked.It works everytime in event called apocalypse in Android.I usually reach wave 47.I use Stripper (BLACK) with Tenacious,Race Modded,Overclocked and Pinpoint for Bosses especially for Savages. > > You bascially quoted your own self. Not sure what your point is? Mobile/Steam version have their own unique stats since they get full auto on all weapons. For PC, see above discussion. If you would like to discuss mobile/Steam version stats, plz open a new thread. The original post was for PC.

I've found one that I love. Hotspot 10 (3) red Aug deadly and synthesis and Movement speed

> *Originally posted by **[Punker87](/forums/2609/topics/624878?page=2#12569427)**:* > I've found one that I love. Hotspot 10 > (3) red Aug deadly and synthesis and > Movement speed Dude...why...just why Necroposting is retardo

I am just haappy they made more last time it was sas:1

p2w the zerfallen

there is 2 weapons you need, crowd destroyer and boss killer, to crash horde you can just use zerfallen, but it is not the best one without core augments (biosyntesis, race modded, skeletonize but also you need overclock), stockfield or shreder can be nice analogue to zerfallen, as the boss killer you need any laser: hotspot or proton arc (better dps, heavier), there is no weapon with better damage per second but hotspot can beat every type, but different targets require different augment