Isn't Lucky Strikes better than Super Clicks? (locked)

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 Lucky Strikes is a +50% chance of critical clicks. A critical click, even without hero upgrades, is a x10 multiplier. ‘d’ being click damage, 10d x 50% + d x 50% = 5d + 0.5d = 5.5d A 5.5 times multiplier! :0 …Whereas Super Clicks is just 3x multiplier. Clearly Lucky Strikes is superior, but has a _lower cooldown_. I’ve been wondering about this for a long time. If you find anything wrong with my math, be free to inform me. No. I have found. I have informed you. Your math is Ok. Your assumptions are incorrect. > *Originally posted by **[JiffyJuff](/forums/2737/topics/434513?page=1#posts-8463856):*** > > Lucky Strikes is a +50% chance of critical clicks. A critical click, even without hero upgrades, is a x10 multiplier. > > ‘d’ being click damage, > > 10d x 50% + d x 50% > > = 5d + 0.5d > = 5.5d > > > > A 5.5 times multiplier! :0 > > > > …Whereas Super Clicks is just 3x multiplier. Clearly Lucky Strikes is superior, but has a _lower cooldown_. I’ve been wondering about this for a long time. If you find anything wrong with my math, be free to inform me. lucky strikes **is** better, but you can use both at the same time so super clicks **triples** the effect of lucky strikes. i m too lazy to do some math right now, can i ask the same question? Super click or Lucky Strike is better, my crit is x600? super clicks is better, because when lucky strikes is active, you get 59% crit, then energized superclicks gives you x3. the math has been done before, the difference is only 3%, but super clicks is better if you can click 5 times a second or more. and much better if you use an autoclicker or have the right ancients Without the ancient Bhaal, super clicks is superior, with Bhaal, lucky strikes is superior. I did the math the other night. For all the crit upgrades from heroes you get 59% chance and 18x dmg. Using 1 dmg as our base and 100 attacks total, Elucky strikes gives us 5400 whereas Esuperclicks gives is 5515. With bhaal Elucky strikes comes out ahead but by a smaller margine than without for Esuper. In the end it all boils down to efficiency and HS. > *Originally posted by **[Skidmarrk](/forums/2737/topics/434513?page=1#posts-8464337):*** > > super clicks is better, because when lucky strikes is active, you get 59% crit, then energized superclicks gives you x3. the math has been done before, the difference is only 3%, **but super clicks is better if you can click 5 times a second or more**. and much better if you use an autoclicker or have the right ancients the bolded part makes no sense, both give a % increase to total damage per click, increasing the amount of click per second doesn’t affect how much % lucky strikes or super clicks contribute, the “5 clicks per second” was calculated for gold increase from the clickstorm/metal detector/golden click combo back when golden clicks gave 10% per click. > *Originally posted by **[kazetenshu](/forums/2737/topics/434513?page=1#posts-8464394):*** > > Without the ancient Bhaal, super clicks is superior, with Bhaal, lucky strikes is superior. I did the math the other night. For all the crit upgrades from heroes you get 59% chance and 18x dmg. Using 1 dmg as our base and 100 attacks total, Elucky strikes gives us 5400 whereas Esuperclicks gives is 5515. With bhaal Elucky strikes comes out ahead but by a smaller margine than without for Esuper. In the end it all boils down to efficiency and HS. the question wasn’t “which skill is better to energize in a full skill combo” it was “which skill is better” as a stand alone, lucky strikes gives a rough +900% damage increase while super clicks gives only +200% I have 9% crit chance, and 18x multiplier. Let’s just say I have a base click damage of 1 for simplicity’s sake. 100 clicks would mean that 9 of those got 18 × 1 damage, which is 162. So my total damage would be 91 + 162 = 253. With super clicks active, that becomes 759. If lucky strikes were active, then you get 59% chance, so 59 out of 100 got 18 damage. That’s 1062 + 61 = 1123. However, since you can activate both at the same time, you can combine them and get 3369! So yes, stand-alone, lucky strikes is better, but there’s no reason not to combine. Edit: super clicks is +200%, meaning x3 Why not just use both? If each one is powerful, then both of them will be even more so. did **ANYONE** read the **ENTIRE** OP? anyone? at all? seriously? read the entire thing please. You can combine, and that’s obviously best, but shouldn’t Lucky Strikes have a longer cooldown than Super Clicks? If we assume “better” abilities to have a longer cooldown then yes, that’s correct. Don’t know what the reasoning is. Skidmarrk kinda wondering if you have ever actually read the lucky strikes ability description obviously I have. but honestly why would anyone ever question which of the two abilities is better? It’s very obvious which is better. What is NOT obvious, is which is better to energize in a full combo. > *Originally posted by **[Skidmarrk](/forums/2737/topics/434513?page=1#posts-8466246):*** > > obviously I have. but honestly why would anyone ever question which of the two abilities is better? It’s very obvious which is better. What is NOT obvious, is which is better to energize in a full combo. A couple people did the math for those 2 in chat, Super Clicks came out ahead by a tiny bit. But the 2 are so close that we would never even notice a difference while playing. **edit** the 2 being energized for the maths. > *Originally posted by **[Skidmarrk](/forums/2737/topics/434513?page=1#posts-8464337):*** > > super clicks is better, because when lucky strikes is active, you get 59% crit, then energized superclicks gives you x3. the math has been done before, the difference is only 3%, but super clicks is better if you can click 5 times a second or more. and much better if you use an autoclicker or have the right ancients See where it says “59% crit” well it is 59% crit chance. I was simply making and inquiry as to whether or not you had read the ability description or that was just a typo > *Originally posted by **[tbsikkema](/forums/2737/topics/434513?page=1#posts-8466639):*** > > *Originally posted by **[Skidmarrk](/forums/2737/topics/434513?page=1#posts-8464337):*** > > > > super clicks is better, because when lucky strikes is active, you get 59% crit, then energized superclicks gives you x3. the math has been done before, the difference is only 3%, but super clicks is better if you can click 5 times a second or more. and much better if you use an autoclicker or have the right ancients > > See where it says “59% crit” well it is 59% crit chance. I was simply making and inquiry as to whether or not you had read the ability description or that was just a typo 50+9= 59% seeing as you have a 9% base crit chance with hero upgrades. and you will have the 9% crit from hero abilities if you already have energize. (unless you purchase abilities in some strange order) also, thank you forum gods for editing my post I made while angry hah Heres the thing about this. without a high level bhaal, energizing super clicks is better by about 1 percent. with a high level bhaal, energizing lucky strikes is better by about 1 percent. i did the math so you don’t have to. its only 1 percent so really, it doesnt matter too much. what everyone can agree on is that you should use all your powers at the same time, and energize either super clicks or lucky strikes. stop the arguing. 1 percent isn’t that much people…. > *Originally posted by **[Skidmarrk](/forums/2737/topics/434513?page=1#posts-8464337):*** > > super clicks is better, because when lucky strikes is active, you get 59% crit, then energized superclicks gives you x3. the math has been done before, the difference is only 3%, but super clicks is better if you can click 5 times a second or more. and much better if you use an autoclicker or have the right ancients Energized Super Clicks is x5 > *Originally posted by **[TheCubist](/forums/2737/topics/434513?page=1#9877105)**:* > Heres the thing about this. without a high level bhaal, energizing super clicks is better by about 1 percent. with a high level bhaal, energizing lucky strikes is better by about 1 percent. i did the math so you don’t have to. its only 1 percent so really, it doesnt matter too much. what everyone can agree on is that you should use all your powers at the same time, and energize either super clicks or lucky strikes. stop the arguing. 1 percent isn’t that much people…. > > Well, it is only 1 percent with say 100 bhaal but when you get late enough that that difference matters you will have a bhaal about 1-2k lucky strikes is way better. Plus you have to remember that Sniperino and Hecatochier matter alot as 2 seconds of lucky strikes can let it edge out super clicks or vice versa. > *Originally posted by **[foreverlord](/forums/2737/topics/434513?page=1#10722436)**:* > > *Originally posted by **[TheCubist](/forums/2737/topics/434513?page=1#9877105)**:* > > Heres the thing about this. without a high level bhaal, energizing super clicks is better by about 1 percent. with a high level bhaal, energizing lucky strikes is better by about 1 percent. i did the math so you don’t have to. its only 1 percent so really, it doesnt matter too much. what everyone can agree on is that you should use all your powers at the same time, and energize either super clicks or lucky strikes. stop the arguing. 1 percent isn’t that much people…. > > > > > > Well, it is only 1 percent with say 100 bhaal but when you get late enough that that difference matters you will have a bhaal about 1-2k lucky strikes is way better. Plus you have to remember that Sniperino and Hecatochier matter alot as 2 seconds of lucky strikes can let it edge out super clicks or vice versa. And actually just checking my save for good measure my bhaal at level 300 makes my multiplier about 900x which beats out the extra 200% from energizing super clicks lucky strikes is better: you clear a lot more zones with lucky strikes active than with superclicks active. Hence, discard the math, especially if it is !% or less difference, and look at the time to kill zones instead. Viola!! Lucky strikes, hands down. a specific example, based on my current run: clear 5 zones: 7031-7035: my click dmg at the time: 6.3e506; crit mult x2.16e11; [critical click dmg=1.36e518 dmg]; my Bhaal is 8e10 lvls. critter hp: zone 7031: 1.3e518 hp;; (hence, 1 critical clicks to kill, 2e11 normal clicks to kill, 6e10 superclicks clicks to kill) zone 7034: 2.4e518 hp (hence, 2 critical clicks to kill, 1e12 normal clicks to kill, 1e11 superclicks clicks to kill) boss 7035: 1.8e519 hp: hence 14 critical clicks to kill Kuma 70= 6 critters /zone; 24 critters plus boss. Since 9% criticals takes an average of 11.1 clicks to get a critical, and 59% takes 1.7 clicks to get a critical: no skills 9% crits clears these five zones in about 622 clicks; lucky strikes: 59% clears in about 95 clicks energized lucky strikes: 100% crits, clears in 56 clicks energized superclicks and powersurge (x10 dmg to basic click) without lucky strikes: clears five zones in about 289 clicks (all 24 critters are one crit kills, and boss is 2 a crit kill) Hence, Lucky strikes!! Huzzah!! pro tip: end of hybrid run, fastes furthest last ditch push: 2-3-9 (powersurge downtime) 2-4-7-8-3 while active clicking. then ascend