The huge problem with the new pieces is, that they are completely heretic for the church of the Originael One. We have to convert them to the Only Truth! We have to set up the New Inkvisitory in order to provide a police for the operation: New World. Forward, inkvisitory, forward! Praise the Original One. Convert the New pieces!

Also, today, The Church of The One accepts the Church of Envy, thus it's respectful history and it's undoubtable writings respected in the archives. Taxing one CEO coin /month for each follower, the two super-states live peacefully. Heretics, still not except anything. Axandrabas has been marked as a heretic.

peace is boring tho

tyleryoung994: HAS BEEN MARKED AS A HERETIC!

I call upon thee. Pride. Greed. Gluttony. Sloth. Lust. Wrath. Envy. Hear my cries and stop these sinners. Those who trespass in gods domain are not worthy of god themselves. Icarus fell from the heavens as his wings melted. Lofner and The One claim allegiance to god yet they are insignificant mortals playing with fate. So gods call upon divine lightning and smite these sinners where they stand. The church of Envy is the one true church. Lofner claims allegiance to Wrath yet he sins for The One. He cannot uphold our values of purity and redemption. Oh gods release your pent up Wrath and punish this sinner

did u just enter this thread with a GREEB profile pic smello man?

the war of alts has begun. don't forget my time will come

Pen 111111111111. Your words just touch my ears, and their corrosive, viscous substance instantly defiles my senses, and invoke only one answer:*** laughter.*** You fool. The clear light, the eternal complete perfection of your self, the harmony of your soul with the Creation itself has never existed and will never come to life. The mind and the nature stand as opposites, and their meet shall always be followed by a cataclysm of wrath, by an inmersive destruction on one of them. The only way these two can collide without complete destruction, which is, giving your will to a greater desire. Which is The One. You can try your best to establish an egsistence, a stone in the sea, which the waves trash, but never harm, howewer, your resistance is futitle. Those waves are called "body","love","hunger","the weight of the uncanny", and most importantly,"others". You can not resist in a form of purity, you will never stand above them, and they will not accept you on their level, so you will end up under their flithly little feet. Come to Safe Heaven, lost lamb, and we forgive your past undoing. Envy wants to take a position inside the crowd, yet, the One stands above it. P***raise The Original One!***

Lofner. The key to growth is causing it to happen. An eye for an eye. The hardest choice you can make. But in the end it is worth it. To put it simply, praising the One makes it impossible to believe in yourself. You have stated that the One stands above the crowd, so he is steps ahead of us, but Envy is also steps ahead, in fact, he is steps ahead of the One. Yet he has chosen to make his stand with us. Even though we are Lesser beings of another plane. Envy has elevated humanity to where it is today, a vast empire spanning an entire planet. Envy has taught us that we shouldn't discriminate against others because we are "superior" but we should learn from them and grow because we are interested in what they have and know. Lofner – even though you are stupid for following the one, you still know something that I don't So Lofner – stop looking at horizon, praying for something that never looks back at you. Turn your eyes to your own people and see that we can change the world through Envy's might. Poverty, Illiteracy, Discrimination. They can all be solved if you let go of the One and grasp the hand of Envy. Lofner. Hear me and rejoice. Know that the Church of Envy accepts you. Make the trade. Give up your sight of the One and all of his filthy consequences, and inherit the vision of Envy – dreams for the future You have surely heard of the Austro-Hungary alliance from WWI. They attempted to make themselves superior and "stand above the crowd" just as the One does. Of course everyone knows how WWI ended. History repeats itself... keep that in mind. ***Praise Envy and make the world a better place for tomorrow***

resistance is futile The clock is ticking my time will come /Bz8vXGnb prepare beware

pen, greeb is smell lofner, wrath is not smell pawn, who ru i have forgotten praise wisp.

Your reasons, pen, are undoubtable, howewer, i must reject them. You have surely heard that i am Hungarian. The austro-hungarian empire was not following the fascist ideas of the well-known painter-fail Adolf, but wanted to restore what was once lost. What you state, the alliance of the self and the world, as i said, has failed several times. The One is not something we can choose, but something which saves us from the otherwise unavoidable fall. What you recommend, howewer, is something which can be found only at two types of books: fairy tales, and communist sheets. What you spoke about, Poverty, Misery, and Illiteracy, Discrimination are not able to eb changed, as their source lies so deep in the darkness, that anyone would attempt to touch it would fall in their pit. Wehn someone believes they helped, they just scrathced the surface of the suffering. You can get a house, but what if you will use the floor as firewood? If someone clears your home from trash, will you keep order? Do you have capacitacy for a broom? After a day, working like an animal, do you want to put tools in the shed? Of course, those will break and rust in the plain. If the mother is too busy hoeing, will her son be able to learn how to clear that hoe? Your salvations are like such donations. The praisers you saved gained nothing, and eat up fast their answers without being able to gain a prespective on the world. Envy teaches the Golden Middle, but The One gives an answer for the Eternal Riddle. You can't forcefully unite with the feeble carcass called "world". You can't live in it. You can't help anyone. Even more, you can't help yourself! The entire pit of slum can only be salvated with the Final Judgment, with fire. # RISE, THE ORIGINAL ONE !!!!4!!!44!!4!4!!!!!44444!!!

i love how lofner and pen are using way too much text while pawn is just using a couple words

> *Originally posted by **[Lofner](/forums/32630/topics/1804188?page=13#13283711)**:* > > You can get a house, but what if you will use the floor as firewood? Counter #1: Slippery Slope Fallacy. This statement makes the implication that all people use the wood in their floors as firewood. This is plainly wrong. How many people burn their homes to keep them warm? This is what you see in cartoons and not in real life. If you want firewood you go outside and chop trees. > If someone clears your home from trash, will you keep order? Do you have capacitacy for a broom? Counter #2: The meaning of this statement is somewhat unclear. However we will make the assumption that Lofner is attempting to say that "If someone clears trash from your home, what will you do to maintain order in your household? Do you have the capacity to acquire a broom?" Although I may be committing the Strawman fallacy, I will analyze the interpretation of Lofner's text. We can clearly see that the answer to Lofner's questions are yes. By following the way of Envy we clear from our homes not only garbage, but also other wasteful, materialistic, objects that sit around collecting dust. This "broom" or the sweeping tide of Envy's knowledge and power is what makes humanity able to clean up it's mistakes. > After a day, working like an animal, do you want to put tools in the shed? Of course, those will break and rust in the plain. Counter #3: The answer here is very similar to the above question. By following the One, we lose focus on who we are, and what we are doing because we are looking to a god who doesn't care about us. The One makes us leave our tools outside at the mercy of the element. As a Canadian I can say for certain that the elements are unkind. > If the mother is too busy hoeing, will her son be able to learn how to clear that hoe? The answer to this question is another yes. Envy is our mother's hand teaching us not only how to plow fields, or to clean our house, or cook our meals. the One can be likened to laziness. Taking the easy way out never leads anywhere. > Your salvations are like such donations. The praisers you saved gained nothing, and eat up fast their answers without being able to gain a prespective on the world. Envy teaches the Golden Middle, but The One gives an answer for the Eternal Riddle. You can't forcefully unite with the feeble carcass called "world". You can't live in it. You can't help anyone. Even more, you can't help yourself! The entire pit of slum can only be salvated with the Final Judgment, with fire. From the final lines we can see that following the One will only lead to destruction. He "stands above the crowd" never looking down at the people whom he tramples. It is true that Envy teaches the Golden Middle – balance, harmony, peace, this can only be achieved if we are united with one another. Envy is not mere jealousy. Envy is more than that. Envy is the feeling of curiousity when we know that we don't know everything, and that there is somewhere out there who has what we seek. The One answers the Eternal Riddle but it can be answered with the Golden Middle as well. On the other hand, the One answers it with destruction and demolition. There are many answers here. Not all of them are right. ***rise Envy, prove to Lofner that following the One is the same as walking on hot coals***

What you miss is experience. Envy clouds your eyes with foggy ghost-images of an imaginary paradise. The heaven he gives, is created by your eyes never witnessing underneath. Your answers were completely illusional. What do you think, where do poor families live after they get to access a house? In an outside kitchen, using one room, closing the front door with a drawer, like people, who get a brust access to a high culture choose one idea to follow, and close their eyes from the truth. Why? People, who are not taught to keep order in their household and at their tools, will never learn how to make their life worthy for a human. The mind is decieded by thine neighborhood. The harmony you would want to access is getting held in the realm of undoing by one fact: # We. Are. Animals. **You are an animal. Soul does not exists. There are no heroes in suffering. You would sacrifice millions and thousands for one drop of your blood! You would rather put hunderts in death than putting yourself in only one of theirs place!** If someone would close you in a cage, and show a red cross when feeding you, then, after a time, the red cross itself would instit love and joy in you! *No exceptions.* Also, gaming with dvorak keyboard can be completely bullcrap. Is it?

gaming with Dvorak isn't that bad. I remap all the in game keys so it's ,aoe instead of wasd. if i can't remap then i switch back to qwerty. I've set a command on my computer that switches between the two because a lot of my friends borrow my computer but they still use qwerty. ""We. Are. Animals. You are an animal. Soul does not exists. There are no heroes in suffering. You would sacrifice millions and thousands for one drop of your blood! You would rather put hunderts in death than putting yourself in only one of theirs place! If someone would close you in a cage, and show a red cross when feeding you, then, after a time, the red cross itself would instit love and joy in you!"" Lofner. Please fix your spelling. It hurts my eyes to see you spell this badly. We are animals. That is common sense. It is shown through our greed and our lust. but we aren't just animals. we are so much more that that. Do animals have medicine? Are animals capable of thought? Are animals able to learn to perform complex tasks like chess and writing? The answer is no. Our ancestors may have been animals, and that can be revealed in today's society, but we have come so far from the beings we once were. This is the teaching of Envy. Acknowledge what we don't have and strive to acquire it. Envy is the driving force behind progression. If we are not taught how to maintain order we will develop our own rules. Government. The ancient Egyptians had it. It was prevalent in the Greco-Roman times. It is the cornerstone of our society today. We don't need to be taught how to do anything. We can learn and grow by ourselves. The term for this is neuroplasticity. Forming new bonds and connections within our minds to fully comprehend the world around us. To be the best we can be. Soul may not exist, but body and mind do. Hardware and Software. There is a bit of Envy in all of us. Envy defines who we are and what we do. Also, Lofner, do you think that this forum has just become us ranting at one another?

"""Are animals able to learn to perform complex tasks like chess and writing? The answer is no. '''''' You aren't only wrong, you are stupid! wtf. This is a fucking illusion they taught you in school. Why would culture elevate humans to a higher level of existence? Culture is the craft of anxiety and boredom. (Animals) They are able, or they would be able, anyway, if you were raised between monkeys you would never be able to execute such tasks, even if you accept the light" of envy. Please learn this basic stone of philosophy or stay in the crowd of undoing, praise fake gods. I think under "spelling" you mean grammar. And i want to see how will you speak hungarian, canadian moose!

yes that was an error on my part. I meant to type grammar. I also don't edit before posting. Lofner, you have misunderstood the question. ""Are animals able to learn to perform complex tasks like chess and writing?"" The question reveals that humans are more than just animals, and that we have entered another phase of existence. If the god exists on the plane above us, then dogs and pigs are the plane beneath us. The idea about raising us with monkeys seems illogical. They say you cannot teach an old dog new tricks, but you can. You need patience and perseverance. The rigid black and white mindset that you are holding is a thought of the west. If you look to the East you will see many interesting thoughts. One of these thoughts is fundamental to Envy. It was proposed by the Buddhist monk Nagarjuna during the second century – I don't have the exact dates. Anything is either true, Or not true, Or both true and not true, Or neither true nor not true. This logic seems wild and confusing to the extremist ideals of Western society. If you understand this, you will understand the true meaning of Envy. Also I am a polar bear not a moose. And I would prefer that you type your messages in Hungarian from now on. I would like to respect your language because many languages worldwide have been lost because of the imposing of English on thousands of different nations. Because of this, I have become trilingual, learning English, French, and my mother tongue – Tagalog. I completely understand how hard it must be for you to try and type in English. Please refrain from swearing on these forum posts as it shows how uncouth this discussion has become. Lofner I believe that you are not only my equal, but also my superior(in all the places I am inferior). This discussion should reflect that as we are not animals arguing over food, but 2 intellectuals – conversing in a meeting of the mind igen, ez az én részem hibája volt. A nyelvtan beírására akartam. A szerkesztés előtt nem szerkesztem. Lofner, félreértetted a kérdést. "" Tudnak-e az állatok megtanulni olyan összetett feladatok elvégzésére, mint a sakk és az írás? "" A kérdés rávilágít arra, hogy az emberek nem csupán állatok, és hogy a létezés egy másik szakaszába léptünk. Ha az isten létezik a síkon felettünk, akkor a kutyák és a sertések a sík alattunk. Az a gondolat, hogy majmokkal nevel minket, logikátlannak tűnik. Azt mondják, hogy nem adhat meg egy régi kutyának új trükköket, de megteheti. Szüksége van türelemre és kitartásra. A merev fekete-fehér gondolkodásmód, amelyet tart, a nyugat gondolata. Ha a keletre nézel, sok érdekes gondolatot fog látni. Ezen gondolatok egyike alapvető az irigység szempontjából. Nagarjuna buddhista szerzetes javasolta a második század folyamán - nem tudom a pontos dátumokat. Bármi igaz, Vagy nem igaz, Vagy igaz és nem igaz is, Vagy sem igaz, sem nem igaz. Ez a logika vadnak és zavarónak tűnik a nyugati társadalom szélsőséges eszményeivel szemben. Ha megérti ezt, megérti az Envy valódi jelentését. Jegesmedve vagyok, nem jávorszarvas. És jobban szeretném, ha mostantól magyarul írja meg az üzeneteit. Szeretném tiszteletben tartani az Ön nyelvét, mert világszerte sok nyelv elveszett azért, mert az angolok több ezer nemzetre kerülnek. Emiatt háromnyelvűvé váltam, angolul, franciául és anyanyelvemmel - tagalogul tanulom. Teljesen megértem, milyen nehéznek kell lennie, ha megpróbálja beírni az angol nyelvet. Kérjük, tartózkodjon káromkodásról ezekre a fórumbejegyzésekre, mivel ez megmutatja, hogy mennyire lezártalan lett ez a beszélgetés. Lofner azt hiszem, hogy nemcsak egyenlő vagy, hanem felettem is (mindenhol alacsonyabbrendű vagyok). Ennek a beszélgetésnek tükröznie kell ezt, mivel nem állatok vagyunk az ételért vitatkozunk, hanem két értelmiségiek - beszélgetünk az elme találkozóján I have attempted to translate my work into Hungarian for your benefit. I apologize for the many grammatical errors. Megpróbáltam lefordítani munkámat magyarra az Ön javára. Számos nyelvtani hibával fog járni, mert a google translate nem nagyon képes az igék konjugálására (legalábbis francia esetében)

I also believe that through this discussion you have become my friend Lofner. Even though you will never change my thoughts about Envy and The One, and I will never change yours, we have had many interesting times bonding over the idea that brought us together – ceo. Thank you for having such a wonderful forum post battle with me Lofner. I hope this forum battle will continue in the future.

Alors écoute ici petit ami. Lorsque vous commencez à parler de la philosophie orientale et de la philosophie occidentale, ainsi que de l’extrémisme, des schémas de pensée noir-blanc, vous vous opposez à quelqu'un qui est très supérieur à votre humble compréhension paysanne. Don't think only you can type "les transalatores gugle" to your browser. I don't want to show you the wide array of my analogical knowledge, the impossible understanding of one being multiple, about the different arythmologies, about different qualities being numbers, gods, and about different alchemist exclamations. Do you want to hear hermes trismegistos? Thoughts of Böhme, works of Paracelsus, writings of the Vedanta, or simply hungarian folk tales? No, you don't want to oppose me. I came to here from the knowledge of the "golden ages", or from the wisdom of tautology, or whatewer you want to call it. so fast take a handle on your manners, little polar cub, and do not try to establish a higher position on western writers, as sticking to a dying world is complete madness. We have to learn from it, but we can't live in those dreams again. Ou pythagore: 1 c'est bien. 2 est ce que nous sommes maintenant, et c'est mauvais. Nous ne pouvons pas ramener 1, mais nous voulons. Ce n'est qu'en fusionnant 1 et 2 que nous pouvons nous avancer sur le chemin de la sagesse. And yes, we are good pals. Why would i mark you as a heretic? I will'nt.

Dans mon école on fait un chose – ""debate"" – Si je sais plus, je peux utiliser plus dans mes ""arguments"" Sîl vous plait m'enseigne des pense de Böhme, et le travaille de Paracelsus, et de Vedanta. Je pense que j'ai plus d'apprendre de les contes populaires hongrois et des contes populaires autour du monde. Je pense que la ligne de pythagore est trés interresant, et je veux analyser plus de choses de littérature classique avec toi. Je suis trés désolé. Mon français est très mal. Je seulement sais un peu par l'école. Merci beaucoup mon ami.

Okay, i never expected this. And speak on english, nobody wants to rely on google. Learning debating in school? lol. Most of the teachers teach us to blow our toughts as truths to the face of the opponent (yes, opponent, their arguing knows no ekval sides) and i also favour this system, apart from it's impression of a scandalous and evil strategy. I don't believe in "constructive criticism", but it's good to know there is a scholar of mine (yes, yes! "prophets" like me know only stronger or weaker fellows, more, they only know power. Yes, yes, that's it! Power! The egsistantialism only knows POWER and strenght, and that's why it always fails miserably! But why, why works it then? Why would anyone follow such a well-hated path? Because of this. Because you can Emerge to a Perspective where from you can wiew even yourself without any illusions. But who is this seer? Not you! NOT YOU!!! Anything you experience in this elevated state will NOT make you stronger, it will NOT erase your misery, but it will grant KNOWLEDGE, which gives power. (Zola- Nantas)) so. basics of old eastern arithmologies: They are more like methaphysichal works covering kvestions like "are there multiple existences?" "what is matter?", "can i experience"? And from these basic ideas they can reach ethical and existential kvestions like "how to be a good man?" "what is ethical?", "should we accept migrants?", which sock shall i choose?" Arythmology: dividing the world to different kvalities. One kvality involves a slit of the world. It's an animal, a crystal, a feel, a number, a metal, etc., just think about the most well known arythmology system: the zodiac 12-ic. It's pretty much deceased for money, and sadly we have forgotten it's original forms. There is chinese 64-ic, pythagorean 10-ic, alchemist 15 (i think?) and you can make yourself one, but it will not be surely "useful" or "true" egzampel: red-gold-lion-mars-bravery-king-creation-castle-one. blue-silver-fish (deer)-moon-understanding-caring-hmmppphfff... idk-two. this is called analogy. The men of the past were thinking analogically. Let me show the thinking patterns of the current man: 1+1=2. 5×6=30. 46352:216345/34324= many. 10% 40= 4. mathemiathics were used all the time during the hystory, i just want to make a stereotypical division. As well as analogy is used during our age, not only in art creations. In advertisements, for example, or in your clotches. Sadly, not sapientally. Many use it without knowing how it actually works. In the old times (let me refer to it as the age of 1) people (cultured people) used analogy sentientally. This is the difference between the "eastern-chinese-indian-buddhism-reincarnation-caring-old-thing" and between the "money-number-idiot-concrete-western-cowboy" thing. Most importantly. this is the first step.

your second last paragraph was quite intriguing, you call old times the age of 1 – just like pythagoras, from this we can infer that in the past we used analogical thinking to make our decisions about our world. In fact, we may have made better decisions than what we do now(age of 2?) Very few people realize this and that perhaps may be the meaning of the second part of pythagoras's statement. So many people have had this way of thinking forced into their heads by our flawed school systems that encourage us to memorize and accept everything that is thrown at us from a book, instead of challenging the world around us with new and innovative ways of thinking – sentient analogies? but there is a reason why we went from 1 to 2 – it is "Mathematically"(a more prominent thought in the age of 2) more effective Let's say that the age of 2 began sometime around 600 bc as the oldest known 0(most important mathematical conception) from the K-127 inscrition from cambodia was dated to. This is substantially older than the Gwalior 0 which is estimated to be dated between the 10th and 13th centuries. After the introduction of 0 into western culture from the arab trade empire we see massive leaps in processing power – banking, money, etc. Then here is the part where things get interesting The Renaissance – revival of ideas from Greco-Roman times - Perhaps combining 1 and 2. Yet this time period is once again squashed by the mathematical "dominance" of the way of 2 – less than a century after the renaissance ended the industrial revolution began. This comes back to the idea that humans can only progress if we combine 1 and 2 together It can be argued that we have advanced in ways unimaginable since the end of the Renaissance, but with this we have brought upon us a plethora of problems, many of which we mentioned whilst debating over The One and Envy. I feel like this wraps up perfectly with the First Nations people of North and South America – living in harmony with nature and one another. We can't say that disease ran rampant, because they had cures to scurvy and other sicknesses known to them(not introduced by Europeans(while all the Europeans were dying from it)) long before modern medicine, and we can't say that they had no government, because it was very clearly present, and finally, we can't say that they had all of the problems we have such as racism/sexism(i'm not totally sure bout this one)/climate change, because they didn't. But if we went to those times today, we would say that it would have been horrible – no computers, technology, modern medicine, grocery stores, and that everything from then would be an inconvienience to acquire. This doesn't mean that we will become a detiorated society like that pictured by H.G Wells in The Time Machine, or become a fully mathematical society like in Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. But if we learn from Pythagoras, we may truly combine 1 and 2 not to make 3, but to make something new, and different than what we have today? Perhaps that is what the meaning of using analogies to be both sentient(1) and mathematical My interpretations might be kinda weird, sorry Lofner

Also Lofner, do you have Discord? if so i can add you as a friend

he had one before, he tried to join my stupid server but i quickly banned him